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Carla--how long can die-off take?

For Lyme, the bacteria live in different forms, and change forms. For example, a cyst form will live in a cell, and won't be killed by the antibiotics because it's hiding. But when that cell goes through it's natural cycle and dies, the bacteria will convert to a spirochete form, and will be killed by the antibiotics. This is apparently what causes the herx to cycle along with this lifecycle of the bacteria. That's a very simplistic way to describe what happens, but it works for me and my limited brain function!! :P

So, what they do is put you on antibiotics and track your symptoms. After a certain number of months symptom-free (seems like this is usually three months) then you come off the antibiotics. Since I hear about people being on antibiotics for four years, I am guessing the die-off can take that long, but each month should get better because there should be less bacteria each month.

My friend's daughter has been on antibiotics for six months now and is feeling much better. It varies on the Lyme boards ... some seem to feel better after a few months, some after a couple years.

The strange thing about Lyme is that the goal is not to cure you, it's to eliminate symptoms. So, a big part of treatment has to be to build the immune system so that when you come off antibiotics your own immune system can keep the bacteria in check. Same thing as we're discussing with candida.

I leave the day after tomorrow to go to NY!!

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Thanks for the update on your appointment Donna.

I forget. Did you tell them about bioset?

I'll be curious to see how the candida does before they test.

I did. He didn't say much...just that he had heard of it.

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I leave the day after tomorrow to go to NY!!

OMGosh!!!! It's getting close!!! I'm actually sitting here EXCITED for you, lol!!

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OMGosh!!!! It's getting close!!! I'm actually sitting here EXCITED for you, lol!!

Thanks!

Adam has been asking me for a couple weeks what time my appt. is on Friday. I keep telling him sometime between 9 and 10, but I'll have to look it up. Well, this morning I finally told him it's at 9:45 and he started laughing because he almost said, "Well, too bad you'll miss it because we'll be in NY!!" He forgot for a second WHY we were going to NY!!! :lol: I guess even "non-sick" people have brain problems at times!!

I'm finally feeling like the herx from the artemisia is over. Thankfully. I feel bad though until after I workout. By the time this is all over, I'll be in incredible shape! :P The choice is, stay in bed all day, or go to the gym and feel normal for several hours afterward. I actually feel pretty close to normal after I work out.

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Thanks!

Adam has been asking me for a couple weeks what time my appt. is on Friday. I keep telling him sometime between 9 and 10, but I'll have to look it up. Well, this morning I finally told him it's at 9:45 and he started laughing because he almost said, "Well, too bad you'll miss it because we'll be in NY!!" He forgot for a second WHY we were going to NY!!! :lol: I guess even "non-sick" people have brain problems at times!!

I'm finally feeling like the herx from the artemisia is over. Thankfully. I feel bad though until after I workout. By the time this is all over, I'll be in incredible shape! :P The choice is, stay in bed all day, or go to the gym and feel normal for several hours afterward. I actually feel pretty close to normal after I work out.

:lol: Silly Adam, lol.

I've had to cut back so much on my workouts, but I've been trying to keep something most days of the week. I've cut back on my poundage, but still do lift weights at least 5 days a week...3 upper and 2 lower body workouts. I also did 20 minutes at a *easy* pace (I walk fast normally, so this is relative, lol) on the treadmill. I would agree that I always feel much better after I work out, but my biggest problem is actually mustering up the energy to start it, lol.

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For Lyme, the bacteria live in different forms, and change forms. For example, a cyst form will live in a cell, and won't be killed by the antibiotics because it's hiding. But when that cell goes through it's natural cycle and dies, the bacteria will convert to a spirochete form, and will be killed by the antibiotics. This is apparently what causes the herx to cycle along with this lifecycle of the bacteria. That's a very simplistic way to describe what happens, but it works for me and my limited brain function!! :P

So, what they do is put you on antibiotics and track your symptoms. After a certain number of months symptom-free (seems like this is usually three months) then you come off the antibiotics. Since I hear about people being on antibiotics for four years, I am guessing the die-off can take that long, but each month should get better because there should be less bacteria each month.

My friend's daughter has been on antibiotics for six months now and is feeling much better. It varies on the Lyme boards ... some seem to feel better after a few months, some after a couple years.

The strange thing about Lyme is that the goal is not to cure you, it's to eliminate symptoms. So, a big part of treatment has to be to build the immune system so that when you come off antibiotics your own immune system can keep the bacteria in check. Same thing as we're discussing with candida.

I leave the day after tomorrow to go to NY!!

Your brain function must be ok because I understood that! Wow, what a sneaky bug it is :angry:

I can't believe you leave day after tomorrow--when you first made the appt, it seemed so far in the future. I guess because of the holidays and everything, the time seemed to go by quick.

Can't wait to hear all about it!

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Patti - you're posting more today...hope that means you are feeling better and that comfort-wise, things are improving! It's good to have you back!

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Patti - you're posting more today...hope that means you are feeling better and that comfort-wise, things are improving! It's good to have you back!

Hi Donna :D

Do you believe it will be 2 weeks tomorrow?? Yes, I'm doing better, and can sit for longer periods--thus more posting :lol: The evil cough is also about gone--yea!

Thanks again for being my own personal "H" advisor! :);)

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Hi Donna :D

Do you believe it will be 2 weeks tomorrow?? Yes, I'm doing better, and can sit for longer periods--thus more posting :lol: The evil cough is also about gone--yea!

Thanks again for being my own personal "H" advisor! :);)

Very cool! You're turning the corner. I think at 3 weeks I was able to get around fairly normally except for the restrictions my doctor put on me, lol. I still had to have people drive me places because of the restrictions on driving, but at 3 weeks was able to go back to my own condo, lol.

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I think time moves fast for other's events, but not your own. Doesn't seem like two weeks since Patti's surgery, but it seems like FOREVER since I made this appt!!! Doesn't seem like it came up quickly at all from my perspective!! :lol:

Uh, Donna, five days a week? That's cutting back??? I do two days of upper body, and two days of lower. No cardio. Fortunately, the sauna has great cardiovascular benefits, including burning a BUNCH of calories!!

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I think time moves fast for other's events, but not your own. Doesn't seem like two weeks since Patti's surgery, but it seems like FOREVER since I made this appt!!! Doesn't seem like it came up quickly at all from my perspective!! :lol:

Yes! Very true :)

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Very cool! You're turning the corner. I think at 3 weeks I was able to get around fairly normally except for the restrictions my doctor put on me, lol. I still had to have people drive me places because of the restrictions on driving, but at 3 weeks was able to go back to my own condo, lol.

I remember that 3 weeks was the turning point after my c-section, too. This time, I actually was allowed to go up and down the stairs (once a day or so), and they weren't much of a problem--standing up straight, well that's something else entirely :lol:

Not being able to drive pretty much sucks, too :angry: Although, it's probably for the best--I don't quite feel like going anywhere yet.

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standing up straight, well that's something else entirely :lol:

:lol: Oops, did I forget to tell you about that one, lol. :lol:

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Rachel--

I have started reading the message board today because I am feeling horrible. I couldn't sleep at all last night because I am in so much pain.

The reason I am sharing this is because I was EXACTLY in your shoes about three months ago. I was becoming reactive to more and more things everyday, including corn. I just couldn't seem to get anywhere. Then someone suggested that I take the Lame Advertisement test. It has really changed everything for me. This is a food allergy test that helps to identify your trouble-makers so you can heal you insides faster. An allergist explained it to me by stating that if your body is in constant alarm from foods it's reacting with, new food allergies will most likely arise since you have no immune cells to help keep the good ones identified from the bad. Therefore, food molecules (proteins) that would normally pass without any problems then get marked as invaders by the white blood cells and causes the body to start attacking them.

It's only been a couple of months and I finally am starting to feel better. The test gives you three categories for the foods tested: highly reactive, middle, and low. I had SO many foods on all my three lists that my doctor suggested I start by elimminating the red and orange (high and mid) lists first, as to not get overwhelmed. The test was expensive and not covered by insurance but is the best thing to date as far as helping ease the pain. Last night I too found one of my most highly reactive foods in my medicine, ginger of all things. SUCKS!! Anyway, I feel your pain (literally) and hope that this information will become of use to you.

Regards--

Monica

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Uh, Donna, five days a week? That's cutting back??? I do two days of upper body, and two days of lower. No cardio. Fortunately, the sauna has great cardiovascular benefits, including burning a BUNCH of calories!!

Well, yes, but I WAS working out 7 days a week (not all strenuous by the way), and, really, you should see how I work out now, lol. I do my 3 sets of biceps curls, then take a break, long break sometimes, like eating dinner break, lol...then I'll do some tricep kickbacks, another break. :lol:

Before I lost all my energy, I'd do an hour of cardio, then lift some weights, or alternate 1 hour of cardio with an hour of weight lifting the next day.

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Hi and welcome Monica!

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Well, yes, but I WAS working out 7 days a week (not all strenuous by the way), and, really, you should see how I work out now, lol. I do my 3 sets of biceps curls, then take a break, long break sometimes, like eating dinner break, lol...then I'll do some tricep kickbacks, another break. :lol:

Before I lost all my energy, I'd do an hour of cardio, then lift some weights, or alternate 1 hour of cardio with an hour of weight lifting the next day.

That is exactly why I don't work out at home even though I have weights at home!! LOL I used to do 40 minutes of cardio and 40 minutes of weights three times per week. Now I'm doing an hour of weights four times per week. In my Lyme reading it says to work out an hour to get the body temp. up and if you can't last an hour, then lighten the weights so you can. That's specifically for Lyme. So, for weights, I'm doing more, but no cardio. I'm not supposed to add cardio until my stamina can handle it.

It may help to lose weight if you do your weights with less resting because then you raise your body temp. and your heart rate. I know it's hard when you're fatigued ... I rest a minute or so between sets, or longer if I'm winded, but never more than 3 minutes ... you don't want to be "cold" when you lift. Then, when you're finished, be sure to eat a bite of something which includes protein to support your adrenals. With your adrenal fatigue, cardio is a bad idea. I also wasn't lifting for more than 40 minutes when I thought adrenal fatigue was my problem in order to avoid burning cortisol, which is why you need to eat after a workout (to stop cortisol production). I should have posted all the scientificness I was reading back then!! But that is a summary of all the stuff I read and how I put it together to work for me ... of course, maybe what you're doing is what works best for you. :)

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The strange thing about Lyme is that the goal is not to cure you, it's to eliminate symptoms. So, a big part of treatment has to be to build the immune system so that when you come off antibiotics your own immune system can keep the bacteria in check. Same thing as we're discussing with candida.

Yeah...same for the candida. Good explanation Carla.

You pretty much know you're not gonna be able to rid yourself of Lyme...but you just want to give your immune system the upper hand.

Its impossible to get rid of yeast since it exists in all of us....so yeah...the goal is to hold it back enough so that the gut can start healing. As my gut heals I'll absorb more nutrients and finally be able to utilize the supplements instead of reacting to them. I'm sure I'll be taking stuff to help detox as well as build up my immune system.

The goal would be to get everything functioning the way it should so that the immune system will take over as far as keeping the yeast in check. This means getting a healthy balance back into my gut. If my gut doesnt heal I dont think the cycle would end....inflammation of the gut leads to yeast overgrowth.

I know its not as easy as I'm making it sound...its complicated stuff. <_<

and then I dont know if I have to deal with Lyme too. :blink:

Carla....TAKE YOUR LAPTOP WITH YOU!!! :P

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Rachel--

I have started reading the message board today because I am feeling horrible. I couldn't sleep at all last night because I am in so much pain.

The reason I am sharing this is because I was EXACTLY in your shoes about three months ago. I was becoming reactive to more and more things everyday, including corn. I just couldn't seem to get anywhere. Then someone suggested that I take the Lame Advertisement test. It has really changed everything for me. This is a food allergy test that helps to identify your trouble-makers so you can heal you insides faster. An allergist explained it to me by stating that if your body is in constant alarm from foods it's reacting with, new food allergies will most likely arise since you have no immune cells to help keep the good ones identified from the bad. Therefore, food molecules (proteins) that would normally pass without any problems then get marked as invaders by the white blood cells and causes the body to start attacking them.

It's only been a couple of months and I finally am starting to feel better. The test gives you three categories for the foods tested: highly reactive, middle, and low. I had SO many foods on all my three lists that my doctor suggested I start by elimminating the red and orange (high and mid) lists first, as to not get overwhelmed. The test was expensive and not covered by insurance but is the best thing to date as far as helping ease the pain. Last night I too found one of my most highly reactive foods in my medicine, ginger of all things. SUCKS!! Anyway, I feel your pain (literally) and hope that this information will become of use to you.

Regards--

Monica

Hi Monica,

Thanks for your post. :)

Sorry you're feeling bad. :(

I've come a long way since this topic began and my original post about corn. Its been about 9 months. Alot of us on this thread have numerous food intolerances.....not everyone though. :)

We've done alot of research and such....trying to determine the underlying causes for our health problems.

Stick around and feel free to join in on our discussions.

I'm assuming you were referring to the Lame Advertisement test?? It comes out as lame advertisement on this site...for some reason. You have to put spaces in between the letters to avoid that. :rolleyes:

I do BioSET testing and treatments....not just for food intolerances but many other things as well.

The reason for multiple food intolerances is leaky gut. There are numerous causes for leaky gut but when the intestinal lining is damaged these food particles are passed through the gut and into the bloodstream...causing the immune system to create antibodies against these foods. Foods arent the only things that pass through a leaky gut...also bacteria, fungi, parasite, chemicals, etc...they all will set the immune system off...creating an overworked immune system and an overly toxic liver.

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I'm going to my BioSET appt now.

Anyone wanna take a guess at why my IgM antibodies were through the roof on that candida test but IgG was normal??? Shouldn't IgG be high as well?? :huh:

I'm not really getting that. :unsure:

Even though IgM is the frontline antibody....I would expect IgG to be elevated at the same time.

Anyone know???

I'm gonna ask the BioSET lady....unless of course I get #3. :rolleyes:

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Rachel, don't worry, I'll have my laptop!! :P

I would imagine that in some way we must need candida ... I have never read how though, but I know we all have it. Our bodies are designed to be balanced and stay balanced, but with our adulterated food and all the chemicals we breathe and consume, the balance is becoming more difficult to maintain. I know I have had candida out of balance before and it was months to get it back in check. People would be amazed at my dedication to the diet, but if I cheated and ate even a little sugar or simple carbs I would hurt. That made it impossible to cheat!

Rachel, once you take care of the candida and build the gut back, it will be interesting to see if the Lyme is even a problem, if you do have it. Maybe you will be able to build up your immune system enough to handle it. Then again, maybe it's contributing to your digestive woes. It's just hard to tell.

I know the stuff I'm doing is helping, but honestly, I'm looking forward to something that helps more. I've been doing natural stuff for three months and I'm no better ... in fact, I'm still getting worse (could be from herxing, I know). My friend's daughter, who was having seizures from it, is feeling MUCH better after six months of antibiotics. I'm sure that's the route I'll be going! Even lymephotos.com says that some people need antibiotics before the salt/c treatment, and they're the ones pushing salt/c. It would be wonderful if I could say I'm feeling much better six months from now!!!

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