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oh, and I'm with you on not knowing what texas or arizona would have... I know carla's trying to convince us otherwise but I'm not sure much exists between jersey and cali...

:lol::lol:

Seeeee Carla...its not just me. :P

I'm picturing alot of tumbeweeds...some fences, cattle, a house every now and then...convenience store...I guess in Arizona there would be plenty of cactus and dirt....that sound about right?? :unsure:

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Oh....about the LED....I dont see it as "cure". Noone has said that it can "cure" Lyme....or anything like that. If you have issues with root canals, cavitations, or anything like that...you still have to address whatever is making you toxic and unwell...the LED treatments cant fix those problems.

I understand that part. I need alot of help with detox though....so for that it might be very useful for me.

All of what was in my post came from this page...

http://www.heartfixer.com/CHC%20%20-Digita...sent%20Form.htm

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Seeeee Carla...its not just me. :P

I'm picturing alot of tumbeweeds...some fences, cattle, a house every now and then...convenience store...I guess in Arizona there would be plenty of cactus and dirt....that sound about right?? :unsure:

Yep, lots of cactus in Arizona. :)

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Hi Laura, I see you! :)

How long ago was it that you last got tested?? I'm sure things could change. Heck...you could get tested again next week and then be in the normal range again....who knows?? :unsure:

Nooo....they defnately wouldnt be looking for anything specific. Also....the C D-57 isnt "recognized" as being Lyme specific...so it wouldnt be anything that mainstream testing would look for.

This is what Scott says about the test on his site...

Basically its his opinion that this test indicates Lyme...alot of Dr.'s believe that there is a definate connection...and that lyme is what suppresses those cells.

Other people (like Dr. Harris) say that the test isnt diagnostic until it can be proven that nothing else can suppress those cells...that only Lyme can afect those cells....so far that hasnt been proven.

But yeah....people with active lyme infections tend to have low numbers.

Sheeesh...now I gotta find out what my numbers are. :rolleyes:

Ok...here is more about the test...

I'm curious of which lab Scott uses for this test and also how much it costs. I think I'm super curious now. :lol:

Yeah, I think you gotta know your numbers, lol. :lol: I was tested last year (about this same time) by the same doctor at Camino at the same lab, so my number went from 32 to 24 (which is probably not as big a drop as it sounds) in a year. She didn't even mention the drop, so I'm guessing she didn't think it was important to even mention (I think I did tell her about the D and that I wasn't sure if it was a bug I picked up from work or one of my supplements). I'll bring a copy of these results for Dr. Carrie to look at...I also want to make sure I'm not running a low grade infection from the injections she is giving me.

As far as the lab that runs the C D-57...I think I saw on Lymenet that LabCorp is the lab of choice for that. I'll ask Dr. S about it when I see him.

Guess how many edits I had to do just now to change all celiac disease-57's??? :lol:

:lol:

I got a cell phone later than most of my friends, not til I was just out of college... but since I got one, I'm not sure that I've used a regular phone (aside from work) more than a handful of times... I don't even have a house phone where I live now and probably won't get one either when I move in a few weeks...

I thought of giving up my home phone, but haven't been brave enough to do it. As it is, I don't EVER use my cell phone...it's not even turned on. :lol:

It all comes down to whether or not you believe in "voo-doo".

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm believing in it more and more these days, lol. :lol:

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More on C D-57 taken from Lymenet.com:

Everthying You Wanted to Know About the C D-57 Test

...but were too sick to ask!

By Ginger Savely, RN, FNP-C

San Francisco, CA

From coast to coast, frustrations abound among patients and clinicians regarding the diagnosis of chronic Lyme disease.

Misinformed health care providers in the southern and western states consider the infection rare and non-endemic. They are inclined to rule out Lyme disease based on the negative result of a laboratory test that, unbeknownst to them, is highly insensitive.

In the absence of a reliable laboratory test or adequate experience in the recognition of the varied and complex presentations of the illness, most clinicians are ill-equipped to diagnose chronic Lyme disease. Many patients suffer needlessly for years, hopelessly lost in the maze of the health care system, looking for answers and enduring the skepticism of practitioners inexperienced with the disease's signs and symptoms.

What is needed is a better Lyme test or some other objective measure to persuade the practitioner to consider the diagnosis of chronic Lyme disease. Enter the CD57 test! You may have heard the term "CD57" tossed around on chat groups, or your Lyme-literate health care provider may have even explained the test to you in one of your moments of brain-fogged stupor. What is this number that sounds more like a type of steak sauce than a lab test, and what in the world does it have to do with Lyme disease?

Let's start by going back to basic high school biology. You may remember that white blood cells (a.k.a. leukocytes) are the components of blood that help the body fight infections and other diseases. White blood cells can be categorized as either granulocytes or mononuclear leukocytes. Mononuclear leukocytes are further sub-grouped into monocytes and lymphocytes.

Lymphocytes, found in the blood, tissues and lymphoid organs, attack antigens (foreign proteins) in different ways. The main lymphocyte sub-types are B-cells, T-cells and natural killer (NK) cells. B-cells make antibodies that are stimulated by infection or vaccination. T-cells and NK cells, on the other hand, are the cellular aggressors in the immune system and are our main focus in the discussion that follows.

Let's pause a moment and introduce something you probably never learned about in high school biology class: C D markers. C D, which stands for "cluster designation", is a glycoprotein molecule on the cell surface that acts as an identifying marker. Think of comparing cells as comparing people. Humans are made up of innumerable superficial identifying characteristics (such as hair color, eye color, etc.) and so are cells. Cells probably have thousands of different identifying markers, or CDs, expressed on their surfaces, but 200 or so have been recognized and named so far.

Each different marker (or C D) on a cell is named with a number, which signifies nothing more than the order in which the celiac disease was discovered. On any given cell there are many different cluster designation markers (CDs), giving each cell its unique appearance and function but also linking certain cells by their similarities (like grouping all people with brown hair or all people with blue eyes). Cells that have a certain kind of celiac disease present on their surface are denoted as + for that celiac disease type (e.g., a cell with CD57 markers on its surface is CD57+).

NK cells have their own specific surface markers. The predominant marker is CD56. The percentage of CD56+ NK cells is often measured in patients with chronic diseases as a marker of immune status: the lower the CD56 level, the weaker the immune system. You may have heard Chronic Fatigue Syndrome patients talk about their CD56 counts.

A smaller population of NK cells are CD57+. A below normal count has been associated with chronic Lyme disease by the work of Drs. Raphael Stricker and Edward Winger. No one knows for sure why CD57+ NK cells are low in Lyme disease patients, but it is important to note that many disease states that are often confused with chronic Lyme (MS, systemic lupus, rheumatoid arthritis) are not associated with low CD57+ NK counts. The good news is that for most Lyme patients the CD57+ NK level increases as treatment progresses and health is regained.

CD57 markers can also be expressed on other kinds of cells, including T-cells, so it is important to distinguish between CD57+ T-cells and CD57+ NK cells. Clinicians need to be aware that many testing laboratories claiming to perform the CD57 test are actually looking at CD57+ T-cells rather than CD57+ NK cells, which are the cells of interest in chronic Lyme disease.[/b]

In order for a testing laboratory to measure the CD57+ NK level, it first measures the percentage of lymphocytes that are CD57+ NK cells. Then an absolute count is calculated by multiplying that percentage by the patient's total lymphocyte count.

The standard normal range for the absolute CD57 NK count is 60 to 360 cells per microliter of blood. This wide range was established based upon test results of hundreds of healthy patients. By these laboratory standards, a test result below 60 cells per microliter would be considered below normal and therefore associated with chronic Lyme disease.

However, a recent study of my Austin, TX patients has led me to believe that 100 cells per microliter is a more reliable threshold separating Lyme patients and healthy controls.

When Drs Stricker and Winger discovered that CD57+ NK cells are low in chronic Lyme patients and tend to increase with patients' clinical improvement, an opportunity arose for Lyme-literate practitioners to utilize a handy tool to aid in the diagnosis of chronic Lyme disease, to follow treatment progress, and to determine treatment endpoint. Just as AIDS patients have always held great store in their CD4 T-cell count, Lyme patients now have a fairly reliable marker of the status of their illness.

It is important to remember that the CD57 result is just a number; far more important is the patient's clinical status. An old professor of mine used to say, "treat the patient, not the lab test!" There is still much we do not know about the CD57 marker and what other factors may lower or raise it. However, overall, the CD57+ NK count is a useful tool in diagnosing and treating chronic Lyme disease in most patients. As a measure of immune status, it provides an indirect measure of bacterial load and severity of illness.

Furthermore, in a patient who has a negative or indeterminate Lyme test but is highly suspect for the disease, the clinician may utilize the CD57+ NK count as one more piece in the complex puzzle of a Lyme disease diagnosis.

Postscript: If you would like your health care provider to order the CD57 NK test for you, your blood sample needs to be drawn into an EDTA tube (lavender top) on Monday through Thursday and sent immediately to either LabCorp in Burlington, NC, or Clinical Pathology Laboratories (CPL) in Austin, TX.

LabCorp and CPL are the only two labs that perform this test properly. Quest does NOT. The LabCorp test code is #505026 and is named HNK1 (CD57) Panel. The CPL test code is #4886, CD57 for Lyme disease.

The test is time-sensitive and must be performed within 12 hours of collection, so blood should not be drawn on a Friday or results may be inaccurate.

Courtesy: Public health Alert

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oh, and I'm with you on not knowing what texas or arizona would have... I know carla's trying to convince us otherwise but I'm not sure much exists between jersey and cali...

:o

I live in a REAL city!!! There is stuff here ... you obviously need to travel more! I go to NY for my doctor and I used to live in CA ... you all don't have anything that we don't have. :)

I lived in both Houston and Austin, too. Austin is not much, but has all the typical stuff ... VERY pretty though. Houston is huge ... and HOT. And you're totally forgetting Chicago ... great city!

Okay, you Easterners and Westerners can go on missing out on MOST of the country. ;) It's actually amazing how homogeneous our country has become, it looks the same everywhere. Except where I am there are hills and trees. :P:lol:

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I'm picturing alot of tumbeweeds...some fences, cattle, a house every now and then...convenience store...I guess in Arizona there would be plenty of cactus and dirt....that sound about right?? :unsure:

That's about right, but Phoenix is a really neat city. When you're there, you should go see Frank Lloyd Wright's architectural school. It's really interesting if you're into that kind of stuff (I am). I can't remember what it's called, but I'll look it up later when I have more time.

Phoenix's landscaping around their homes does use a lot of cactus. I think it looks pretty cool. Definately different from where I come from!

But they do have a Whole Foods. :)

I'm going with Adam on a business trip Saturday to a spa in Phoenix .... can't wait.

edit -- It's called Taliesin West http://www.franklloydwright.org/index.cfm?...on=taliesinwest

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Donna,

Thanks for all the scientificness. :)

I may not understand it, but I can post it when I find it. :lol: :lol: ;)

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I may not understand it, but I can post it when I find it. :lol: :lol: ;)

Donna...I was really excited to sit down and read the scientificness you posted. I was concentrating really hard....felt like I was in school. :lol:

I know I've read that before...but this time I was focused. :P

I wasnt really gungo-ho about the C D-57 earlier this year because I was soooo wanting a test which would *prove*...without a doubt that Lyme is there. I was ready to do the antibiotic challenge or whatever it took to get the answer.

Oddly, after ART with Dr. Derksen....I'm cool with it. :blink:

So...apparantly you cant convince me with some positive bands in a blood test, you cant convince me with an extremely positive IFA bloodtest....I cant be convinced by reacting to a bunch of vials with Lyme stuff inside them. <_<

However...if you do some type of Voodoo muscle testing and wave various objects all around my body...tell me I have Lyme living in my head...and I'm convinced....its all I needed to hear. B) No more questions. :blink:

WTH??? :unsure:

I must be partly insane from all the toxins. :lol:

So now that all that is outta the way...I'm more interested in what the C D -57 can tell me. I'm totally gonna ask Dr. S. to order this test for me. I dont know if he normally orders it....probably not since he uses Igenix for all the Lyme testing. Even if he doesnt normally order it...I figure he's gotta know about the test with all the LLMD'S in that office.

Thanks for posting the info. :)

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I may not understand it, but I can post it when I find it. :lol: :lol: ;)

Dear Donna,

Yep, Derek on "Most Haunted" is so fake! :lol: Yvette nearly craps herself at the slightest noise! If it scares her that bad, she should not be doing it! David seems real. Derek is a moron provoking the spirits, especially the evil ones. They feed off of that! What an idiot! :lol:

Wow! That sure was a lot of scientificness to comprehend! Whew! I copied that and put it in a Word document. That way, I will have it when I need it!

Dear Rachel,

LED sure is fascinating! I have that stuff in my favorites now! Thanks for the links! That stuff is good to learn about. I am not sure I understand it all just yet, though.

RACHELVILLE UPDATE

The Purple Glittery Bats have been moved to a new sactuary. They really like it. Bongo was flying around and landed on the door and crapped on it. Berry poo is everywhere! Splat!

I have been thinking about our situation with our militant geese being poisoned by Auxigro. Since the lawsuit is still pending, we need protection meanwhile. The trial date should be set soon! Meanwhile, I was thinking redneck deer would be a good replacement. They would keep things in line!

Sincerely,

NoGluGirl

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Hi all. May I pop in to ask a quick chlorella-related question? When I take it I get this really intense metallic taste in my mouth. Is this normal? It's not a big deal. I'm just wondering if that means the mercury is detoxing or just moving around and being annoying :rolleyes:.

I know other people who take chlorella but don't get that symptom, so I don't know if it's normal. Does that happen to you guys? I don't have amalgams or anything so I think it's kind of strange, especially since the metal taste is so strong...Hopefully it's a good thing (meaning I'm detoxing) but I wasn't sure :huh:

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Hi all. May I pop in to ask a quick chlorella-related question? When I take it I get this really intense metallic taste in my mouth. Is this normal? It's not a big deal. I'm just wondering if that means the mercury is detoxing or just moving around and being annoying :rolleyes:.

I know other people who take chlorella but don't get that symptom, so I don't know if it's normal. Does that happen to you guys? I don't have amalgams or anything so I think it's kind of strange, especially since the metal taste is so strong...Hopefully it's a good thing (meaning I'm detoxing) but I wasn't sure :huh:

Mango.....I've copied over what Mercola has on his site.

Order High-Quality Chlorella,

Your Natural Wonder Supplement

As supplements go, chlorella is among the elite few that reside in the "Near Perfect" category. For a simple single-cell algae plant coming from fresh water, chlorella's range of benefits is astounding.* Chlorella will help you:

To detoxify your body*

Improve your digestive system, including decreasing constipation*

Focus more clearly and for greater duration*

Promote a healthy pH balance*

Help freshen breath*

Chlorella is a supplement comprised of whole algae, unlike most commercial vitamins. And, chlorella is superior to vitamin supplements in many ways.

Over the past several years, pioneering research led by Dietrich Klinghardt, MD, Ph.D, one of the world's most knowledgeable physicians in mercury detoxification, has shed a blinding light on chlorella's amazing detoxifying properties.*

Far Superior to Typical Vitamin Supplements and Other Algae & Grasses

Chlorella is natural and the nutrients in it are bio-chelated, which means they are naturally wrapped in amino acids so the body will more readily take them in. Typical supplements, meanwhile, are nothing more than an amalgam of concentrates and extracts that have been artificially stitched together because -- at least on paper -- they look like they should provide balanced nutrition. Chlorella's nutrients are naturally balanced and won't accumulate in your body and become toxic -- yet another reason they are superior to any man-made vitamin supplement.

Chlorella is also the superior of the three algae and two cereal grasses commonly available: chlorella, spirulina, blue-green algae, wheat grass and barley grass. Its tough cell walls provide advantages above the other four, including an outstanding ability to detoxify the body.*

High-Quality Chlorella

The chlorella I recommend and offer is distributed by Vibrant Health Research and produced by Yaeyama, a company with over 35 years experience in chlorella research and growth, and known worldwide for its high quality and purity.

The chlorella is ecologically grown in mineral-rich mountain spring water in the pure air and sunshine, without any pesticides. Concentration and purity meet the most rigorous Japanese health standards. It contains no sugar, starch, or artificial coloring, flavoring or preservatives.

For in-depth and very interesting information about chlorella's benefits, history, production, scientific support, dosing and much more, check out my "Chlorella: A Natural Wonder Food" manual.

Read about the success others are having with taking chlorella!

Storage, Dosage & Ordering Information

Chlorella consists of whole algae and as such is VERY perishable. So it needs to be stored properly. My team and I spent two years searching for both the most superior chlorella available AND the best storage system for this chlorella. The chlorella offered here comes packaged in an opaque plastic bottle that is made from P.T.E plastic and also has ultraviolet inhibitors in the plastic to prevent UV light from penetrating and damaging the chlorella. This is crucial, as it prevents spoilage and the internal lining contains absolutely no metals that might taint the powder, unlike other brands.

After each use of the chlorella, you should be certain to keep the container absolutely air tight so that no air gets to the chlorella. Otherwise the fragile micronutrients can easily be damaged. Stored properly without any UV light exposure, and at cool temperatures and in an oxygen free environment, your chlorella can likely retain stability for two years, and possibly more.

This high-quality chlorella provides 180 capsules (81 grams, about 27 total doses) per container.

My recommended dosage is generally three grams per day. As each capsule contains 450 mg, that is between 6-7 capsules per day, so these containers provide you about a four-week supply of this pure chlorella. I recommend taking the chlorella with meals.

Each 180-capsule container of chlorella costs only $19.50, plus shipping.

IMPORTANT NOTE: When your body detoxifies impurities you may experience a period of discomfort as these impurities are "flushed" from your system. Because chlorella is such a powerful detoxifier, I urge you to begin your chlorella regime gradually over the first few days and build up to my recommended dosage.

If you experience fatigue, lethargy, irritability, nausea or other uncomfortable conditions when starting with chlorella, try reducing the amount you are taking and build up even more slowly, as these may be symptoms associated with your body cleansing itself. However, if the symptoms are severe, or if they persist despite very low initial quantities of chlorella for the first few days, stop your chlorella regime and discuss with your personal medical practitioner.

Also please note that if you are a protein metabolic type these problems might be more severe and you should start much more slowly with one-half or even one-quarter capsule and increase the dose very carefully and slowly. Carb types seem to do much better with chlorella.

Caution: About 30% of people cannot tolerate chlorella. If at anytime one develops nausea or starts "burping up" the chlorella taste, then the chlorella should be stopped immediately as a food sensitivity is developing that will only worsen if you continue taking it.

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RACHELVILLE UPDATE

The Purple Glittery Bats have been moved to a new sactuary. They really like it. Bongo was flying around and landed on the door and crapped on it. Berry poo is everywhere! Splat!

I have been thinking about our situation with our militant geese being poisoned by Auxigro. Since the lawsuit is still pending, we need protection meanwhile. The trial date should be set soon! Meanwhile, I was thinking redneck deer would be a good replacement. They would keep things in line!

Sincerely,

NoGluGirl

Jin, there is no doubt that you have the imagination to write comic books! How about a Rachelville comic??? It can be about our Rachelville, we'll all have fake names, but it will be a gluten-free haven and can be sold in health food stores where there are gluten-free foods sold.

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Donna...I was really excited to sit down and read the scientificness you posted. I was concentrating really hard....felt like I was in school. :lol:

I know I've read that before...but this time I was focused.

Well, I would have posted it before but I had to REMEMBER where I read it, lol. I knew it was on Lymenet, but it took a while, lol.

I wasnt really gungo-ho about the C D-57 earlier this year because I was soooo wanting a test which would *prove*...without a doubt that Lyme is there. I was ready to do the antibiotic challenge or whatever it took to get the answer.

Oddly, after ART with Dr. Derksen....I'm cool with it. :blink:

So...apparantly you cant convince me with some positive bands in a blood test, you cant convince me with an extremely positive IFA bloodtest....I cant be convinced by reacting to a bunch of vials with Lyme stuff inside them. <_<

However...if you do some type of Voodoo muscle testing and wave various objects all around my body...tell me I have Lyme living in my head...and I'm convinced....its all I needed to hear. B) No more questions.

:lol: I hear ya, lol. I was praying none of my friends would ask me WHAT the alternative testing methods were...hard to explain some guy flapping his friend's arm around while waving various things over your head. :lol:

So now that all that is outta the way...I'm more interested in what the C D -57 can tell me. I'm totally gonna ask Dr. S. to order this test for me. I dont know if he normally orders it....probably not since he uses Igenix for all the Lyme testing. Even if he doesnt normally order it...I figure he's gotta know about the test with all the LLMD'S in that office.

I think it's like a lot of other things...the one piece by itself isn't the be all/end all diagnosis but put together with all the other things, I think it's really useful. He may order it...I'll bet he could at least do the blood draw. I think there's a LabCorp somewhere in LA, but don't know if there's one closer.

Hi all. May I pop in to ask a quick chlorella-related question? When I take it I get this really intense metallic taste in my mouth. Is this normal? It's not a big deal. I'm just wondering if that means the mercury is detoxing or just moving around and being annoying :rolleyes:.

I know other people who take chlorella but don't get that symptom, so I don't know if it's normal. Does that happen to you guys? I don't have amalgams or anything so I think it's kind of strange, especially since the metal taste is so strong...Hopefully it's a good thing (meaning I'm detoxing) but I wasn't sure :huh:

I have not had a metallic taste. The stuff tastes nasty, but it's not metallic. :lol: I'm trying to remember if I read somewhere about a metallic taste...if I can remember where I'll post it. :lol::ph34r:

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Mango.....I've copied over what Mercola has on his site.

Thanks :)

I have not had a metallic taste. The stuff tastes nasty, but it's not metallic. I'm trying to remember if I read somewhere about a metallic taste...if I can remember where I'll post it.

The chlorella itself does taste a bit like dirty grass huh ? :lol: I can't find any info on the metallic taste either so I'll just assume it means the stuff is working :D. I couldn't hack the side effects the first time I tried it (maybe I'm just wimpy :ph34r:) but (I think) I'm gonna stick it out this time...

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Thanks :)

The chlorella itself does taste a bit like dirty grass huh ? :lol: I can't find any info on the metallic taste either so I'll just assume it means the stuff is working :D. I couldn't hack the side effects the first time I tried it (maybe I'm just wimpy :ph34r:) but (I think) I'm gonna stick it out this time...

:lol: I was going to say seaweed, but, um, it IS seaweed, lol. I'm taking a liquid form, so I really get the benefit of the dirty grass thing. :lol: The only negative side affects I came across were digestive and maybe some headaches, and one site (and I think Mercola also said it above) that if you burp it up that wouldn't be good.

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Jin, there is no doubt that you have the imagination to write comic books! How about a Rachelville comic??? It can be about our Rachelville, we'll all have fake names, but it will be a gluten-free haven and can be sold in health food stores where there are gluten-free foods sold.

Dear Carla,

I don't know why we cannot! Actually, I have been doing sketches of purple glittery bats and redneck deer for a while now! :lol: Fake names are good, too! We can have any color hair we want and everything! That would be so cool if it could be sold in health food stores and gluten-free foods places! Rachelville...the gluten-free haven!

Sincerely,

Jin

P.S. I would love to go to the crafts section at Wal-Mart and get some stuff to make purple glittery bat pens! Those would be so cute! :)

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Hi all. May I pop in to ask a quick chlorella-related question? When I take it I get this really intense metallic taste in my mouth. Is this normal? It's not a big deal. I'm just wondering if that means the mercury is detoxing or just moving around and being annoying :rolleyes:.

Mango...I dont know if its normal...I've never heard of this and I havent had any metallic taste from the chlorella...just the green algae taste. :P

Did you ever have amalgams....or is there any other metals in your mouth at all??

Also...what brand is it?? Make sure its a good quality that is checked for purity. Since chlorella binds with mercury and other metals/toxins it can absorb these naturally in the environment...so you dont want mercury contaminated chlorella...you want the "good" stuff. ;)

I have no idea why you would get a strong metallic taste...especially if you no metals in your mouth. :unsure:

If you're sure the quality is good then I cant imagine it would be a bad thing....maybe just how you're body is reacting to it??

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Mango...I dont know if its normal...I've never heard of this and I havent had any metallic taste from the chlorella...just the green algae taste. :P

Did you ever have amalgams....or is there any other metals in your mouth at all??

Also...what brand is it?? Make sure its a good quality that is checked for purity. Since chlorella binds with mercury and other metals/toxins it can absorb these naturally in the environment...so you dont want mercury contaminated chlorella...you want the "good" stuff. ;)

I have no idea why you would get a strong metallic taste...especially if you no metals in your mouth. :unsure:

If you're sure the quality is good then I cant imagine it would be a bad thing....maybe just how you're body is reacting to it??

I'm sure it's high quality/pure stuff. Well I think it is anyway. It says it's grown in a strictly controlled environment and "the most advanced technology of sound vibrations is applied to delicately treat the cell wall to maximize potency." It doesn't really have a brand...it's distributed by a doctor - this MD guy who's really into alternative medicine.

Anyway, I do have a big metal bar behind my back teeth so maybe that's why. My whole body just seems to ooze metal when I take this stuff. :huh: The metallic-ness (new word?) wakes me up in the middle of the night it's so strong. Oh well, I think I'll just keep upping my dose to make sure the metal is binding and not just moving around :lol:

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Anyway, I do have a big metal bar behind my back teeth so maybe that's why. My whole body just seems to ooze metal when I take this stuff. :huh: The metallic-ness (new word?) wakes me up in the middle of the night it's so strong. Oh well, I think I'll just keep upping my dose to make sure the metal is binding and not just moving around :lol:

Whats the big metal bar for??

I would just be concerned that if you are tasting metal...and it feels like your body is oozing metal...that you could be pulling metals from that bar in your mouth. I dont know if Chlorella has the power to do that but I would be catious about it. I'm gonna try and find out if this can happen....because I dont know off hand. :unsure:

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Whats the big metal bar for??

I would just be concerned that if you are tasting metal...and it feels like your body is oozing metal...that you could be pulling metals from that bar in your mouth. I dont know if Chlorella has the power to do that but I would be catious about it. I'm gonna try and find out if this can happen....because I dont know off hand. :unsure:

I agree with Rachel... being that you have metal of some form in your mouth, if you are tasting metal to the extent that it wakes you up and you are also having negative reactions while taking it, I would be cautious... I also don't know if it's feasible that it could be pulling any metals from the bar, but I would try to look into it...

are you seeing this alternative doctor who makes the product or you just got it at a store? if you are seeing this doctor or any integrative or alternative doctors or nutritionists, you can check with them though I have a feeling you'll have to do some research on this...

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Whats the big metal bar for??

It's a retainer. It was put there (about 12 years ago) to hold my teeth in place when I got braces off.

I would just be concerned that if you are tasting metal...and it feels like your body is oozing metal...that you could be pulling metals from that bar in your mouth. I dont know if Chlorella has the power to do that but I would be catious about it. I'm gonna try and find out if this can happen....because I dont know off hand. :unsure:

That's a really interesting theory. I also have cement stuck to my teeth in various places from past orthodontic and dental work which I suspect is a bit toxic, so maybe that's contributing as well.

are you seeing this alternative doctor who makes the product or you just got it at a store? if you are seeing this doctor or any integrative or alternative doctors or nutritionists, you can check with them though I have a feeling you'll have to do some research on this...

I have family members who see the doctor, but I never have. I guess I should though.. Of course I came to this thread for answers before even considering asking a doctor :lol: I'll have to go back in the thread :o to find some of the really good chlorella info that's been posted.

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I'll have to go back in the thread :o to find some of the really good chlorella info that's been posted.

We'll keep the dingos on standby. :lol:

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I would just be concerned that if you are tasting metal...and it feels like your body is oozing metal...that you could be pulling metals from that bar in your mouth. I dont know if Chlorella has the power to do that but I would be catious about it. I'm gonna try and find out if this can happen....because I dont know off hand. :unsure:

That will be intersting to find out. I have braces, and when they are taken off, I will also have a metal bar behind both my top and bottom teeth to keep them from moving. They will be stainless just like my braces are.

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