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Last summer the Cipro only took a week to get me feeling better (I was on it 20 days for the dysbiosis), then I felt GREAT for the next few weeks, so I'm hoping that after this initial herx I'll be back to where I was.

I'm hoping too. :)

DMSA is OTC now (which seems crazy to me) and it seems like everyone on there is trying to self treat...no guidance whatsoever.

:o and :o I don't think there is much more I can add to this.

I absolutely love the picture of you, Lisa, Armetta and Bronco! I'm so jealous--you guys must have had a blast.

Yep, it is a nice picture. :)

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Yep I am on the go a lot, carrying my little boxes of frozen food since I can't really eat out. Avoiding wheat and soy in a northern Chinese restaurant is nigh unto impossible. Eventually I may do some experimenting but right now I am enjoying every bit of stability I can gain. And I don't want to rock the boat. Next month I will be gone for two 10 day trips and that is a lot of food to carry. :huh:

Plus my friends where I am going want me to bring them peaches (we have a fall peach here that is great for pies) and cinnamon rolls (which my Chinese housekeeper makes in her home since we can't make them at my house) for 30 people. Good thing my DH travels with me and handles more of the luggage!

Hmm, was thinking I should check out LN, but for now I may stick with what I learn from you all. I don't have time to read another forum all the time, and to be honest, I find the negativity very wearing if I see it on this forum, so am not drawn to another forum where it is worse.

Tom I think it was cool to see the pix of you and some of our other forum friends.

Hey, Donna, the soda baths--how much soda do you add to the water? I don't have a bathtub at home, but I do in the place we stay in two cities I most often travel to. That's another thing I could add in this week when I do DMPS.

Still wondering if anybody knows if spirulena (sp?) has any of the benefits of chlorella in binding mercury.

Patti, I am glad to see you posting more again, I have learned a lot from your posts all over the forum.

Jin, I sure don't wish the big "C" on you! Actually that seems to be consistently improving for me.

Carla, that is great news that you are having a good response to the new ABX--although I hope you don't have another long herx--you have had your fair share lately.

I don't know if I was checked for Bart, I'll have to ask. My cognitive sx seem under control though with my current ABX.

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Hi all!

This is just a quick post as I'm really busy at the mo. Good to see Donna and Patti :)

mftnchn - you mentioned a couple of pages back that you use charcoal. When do you take it in relation to everything else? Am I right in thinking you need to leave space between that and other supplements as it'll just take them out of the body? How long a gap is needed?

Thanks

Susie

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Sherry, like the other Lyme testing, bart testing is inaccurate. Mine came out negative. He retested last week using a different test, so we'll see.

I've thought from the beginning that I've had bart because of the rashes I would get. Now that I've read about the cognitive and GI symptoms that are related, and because of my reaction to the bart meds, I'm sure I have it. Oh, and it causes insomnia!

It was Dr. B's comment about the congitive symptoms being out of proportion to the other symptoms that really confirmed it for me. I only have Lyme specific symptoms during a herx ... I mean things like joint pain, muscle aches, etc. With the babs and Lyme getting more under control, I am doing much better, and this feels much different, but still a long way to go and these symptoms are severe in their own right ...

I seem more "awake" today ... not as clear as last summer yet, but I think it's working.

I don't know about the spirulina.

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I'm debating calling Dr. S to ask about cholestyramine...I don't see him until December and I'm not sure I want to wait that long. I slept horribly again last night and I just don't think I can go. Just sent in my neurotransmitter test today...can't wait to see what that says.

I feel like I'm trying to detox big time...all day yesterday my throat was sore and when I swallow it shot pain through my ears (I don't feel sick). I am thinking all the stuff I did on Saturday really did shake things up, but I feel like maybe I just didn't do enough detox (or maybe too much). The good news is that I am MUCH less congested than I was before Saturday. :)

Scott says I have Bart (and babs and erchl), but I haven't been tested other ways for it yet.

Tried hemp protein shake yesterday...blech. :lol: I have some aversion to green things that aren't veggies or key lime pie or mint chocolate chip ice cream. :lol: I didn't love it, but suppose I could down it if I had too. I'm still trying to find a way to get some EFAs into my diet...can't do flax, can't do fish oil. :(

I also bought come curcuma Saturday...Anna said it was good for a bunch of stuff, but it's a liquid and they use grain alcohol. YIKES...I've emailed the company to see which grain, but not sure I really need to take it and may return it (I haven't opened it yet).

Carla, thanks for the info on your tests...yeah, I'm thinking it means that it's not out of control for me, but it's still a problem and I can't be careless.

Hmm, was thinking I should check out LN, but for now I may stick with what I learn from you all. I don't have time to read another forum all the time, and to be honest, I find the negativity very wearing if I see it on this forum, so am not drawn to another forum where it is worse.

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Hey, Donna, the soda baths--how much soda do you add to the water? I don't have a bathtub at home, but I do in the place we stay in two cities I most often travel to. That's another thing I could add in this week when I do DMPS.

Still wondering if anybody knows if spirulena (sp?) has any of the benefits of chlorella in binding mercury.

Yeah, I stay away from LN...I just can't take it over there anymore. I just don't understand why people can't disagree civilly. :unsure: I hate to see people like Scott get attacked at every turn...no matter what people may think of him, he is the nicest person who only cares about helping people.

I also stay away from the mercury boards, lol. I had to cut that off a few months ago.

You know the one question I didn't ask the massage therapist was HOW MUCH, lol. I put in half a small box which is probably way too much...but I fill the tub pretty high. Hum, maybe I'll look online today and see if I can find a concensus.

I don't know if spirulena binds with metals, but I know it's good for a lot of other stuff.

Thanks for the links...I've bookmarked them.

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Didn't find a lot of specific info for detox baths. The Arm & Hammer website says to use 1/2 cup in a bath for soft skin, etc. but not specific to detox. Found this website with a formula for detox baths:

http://www.alternativehealth.co.nz/cancer/bath.htm

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Donna, I don't think the cholestyramine will be a miracle for sleep ... I've been taking it for months ... bart can cause insomnia ... and sore throat ... as I was reading, I was thinking that it sounds like what I'm reading about bart, so I wasn't surprised Scott said you have it.

The med seems to be kicking in ... nowhere near 80% yet, but I don't feel like I need to spend the day in bed either, so that's a HUGE change ... of course, if a healthy person suddenly felt like I do, they'd be sick in bed, LOL. I'm hoping it clears my head because I don't want to have to go on IV ... I know that will mean longer treatment with orals afterward and I'd like to switch over to Cowden once the coinfections are under control.

Well, I'm off for the day ... I'm meeting with someone from Lame Advertisement (sp?)... interesting, it's supposed to be all natural ... I'll let you know what I find out. I liked talking to the lady on the phone ... she's into all this detox stuff after fighting breast cancer, knows a holistic dentist who has a facility with a FIR sauna, so even if I don't like the products, it should be nice to meet a real person who I'm not related to, LOL.

Then have to pick out counters and flooring for the kitchen ... I'm sure I'll be wiped out after that!

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Hi Donna :) Sorry to hear you're still having sleep problems. It's really hard keeping going when you're tired. On the EFAs, have you tried cracked linseeds? They are also good from a fibre point of view.

Well, my allergy to whatever it is in tablets/ supplements (which I think is magnesium stearate) is getting worse. I had paracetamol (like tylenol I think?) today and came out in hives. I spoke to Allergy UK and they gave me the name of an allergy specialist I can be referred to on the NHS, so I'm seeing my GP on Thursday and hoping he'll refer me. They also said I could take anti-histamines safely every day for the rest of my life :o I told them that's not an option as they give me palpitations....I also spoke to the pharmacist and she said I wouldn't be able to get special meds made up for me without a definitive diagnosis, so another good reason for the referral..I'm just anxiously awaiting the day when I start breaking out in hives with just my thyroxine...

Anyway, it all got me rather down today, and made me start wondering, how do I get to the bottom of all this? I mean, why am I getting allergic and intolerant to more and more things? I don't know how to get to the bottom of it without having to spend loads of money, which we just haven't got at the moment. Help! <screams to self> Can I trade my body in for a new one please? :angry::lol:

Any thoughts would be appreciated... I don't even know that stuff like LED is done in the UK.

Susie x

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Carla , good to hear you're making progress. Can't wait to hear about the lame person ;) but more importantly, about the kitchen counters and floor :D

Susie x

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Sherry......check the second link that you posted on Cowdens protocol. It says on that page that you can substitute spirulina for chlorella. ;)

Ok guys...MAJOR heinosity today. :(

I'm now on an "extended" vacation.....and not because I'm having extra fun. :angry:

So everything came crashing down on me today. I'm feeling really good....happy with the way my treatment is going...having no setbacks whatsoever....DMSA is going smoothly...I'm happy, etc.

AND THEN....this morning I drive in to go to work....first day back....I stop at my mom's like I always do to drop off my food and change into my work clothes. During my drive over there I was just really feeling so positive about everything....I even felt like doing my hair this morning rather than just throwing a hat on!!

So about 5 minutes after I got there MY HEAD IS SWELLING...tons of pressure and then I'm depressed and crying!!! :blink:

Since I was on vacation my mom decided to have someone come and steam clean the carpets!!! Major chemical heinosity for me. Its the biggest set-back I've had since taking NDF in February. :(

I got totally crazy from the chemicals...couldnt stop crying....couldnt go to work...couldnt stay at my moms and just didnt know what to do!! :o

I ended up driving back home....now I have the rest of the week off cuz I cant go back to my mom's. I cant commute either because I need to be able to eat during the day and for that I need the stove....if I cant go to my moms to make my lunch...I cant eat. I cant have leftovers either. :(

I'm really upset that this happened right now when I just started my treatment and I'm trying really hard to keep everything stable. I'm trying to move the mercury out as safely as possible and this was not a good thing for me to have to encounter.

Between chelating, treating infections and treating the yeast my elimination organs are dealing with ALOT already...my body couldnt handle the overload of chemicals and 5 hours later I'm still feeling just as bad. :(

I have a Dr.'s appt. at 5:30 today....called to cancel cuz I'm back in Manteca. They say No...I need to come in....the Dr. needs to see me...he needs to check everything.

Yeah....of course I WANT to go to my appt. which I've looked forward to (like always)...but I've made the drive twice already today and I dont feel good.

So NOW...I gotta drive BACK over there for my appt. and then drive all the way back home...IN TRAFFIC!!

Donna...I'm sure you can imagine what its like going from Palo Alto to Manteca at around 6:00. GREAT FUN....especially with a raging headache. :rolleyes:

So yeah....a drastic change in how I'm feeling. My mom is sorry but I'm still hurt about it. She always says "But you seem sooo much better....I thought it wouldnt affect you anymore."

Ummm...yeah....I'm better cuz I make sure I AVOID all these things!!!

Plus my body's working overtime right now.....she should understand that with all the Dr. appt.'s shes been to. :(

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Oh no Rachel--I'm so sorry. You have been doing so well, too :(

Even thought the drive will be difficult, maybe it's a good thing that they want to see you right away. I don't know if this is something they can counteract.....

Just ugg--I'll be thinking about you and waiting to hear how you do :)

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Susie,

I don't know if they have LED over there but they should have some form of muscle testing. At some point maybe it will be possible to have that done.

Rachel,

I'm sorry about the setback. I wouldn't relish the drive feeling the way you do either.

I've been highly emotional and somewhat depressed lately myself. Don't know if it's stuff going on with me or with the general chaos with the family. My tooth socket is bothering me more again today. My cycle is starting to get erratic, if that continues then I'll have to assume my body is not liking whatever I'm going through right now. I know you posted something about that Rachel but I don't remember the specifics.

I do hope you get through this quickly, as you've been doing so much better lately.

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Carla , good to hear you're making progress. Can't wait to hear about the lame person ;) but more importantly, about the kitchen counters and floor :D

Susie x

LOL, I guess I spelled it correctly because it got changed to lame advertisement! :lol: A lady came on here a while back and posted on almost every thread about Ar bonne cosmetics ... minus the space ... so now it gets changed. Anyway, she gave me some samples ... apparently there are no chemicals or anything in this stuff, so I'm giving it a try.

We picked out counters and flooring! :) Granite counters ... black for the island, then a patterned one for the perimeter ... the pattern includes brown, black, gold, cream, etc. The floor is a tumbled gold stone and the backsplash is, too, but not tumbled and in a subway tile pattern.

We have a craftsman bungalow, so we're trying to stay with natural materials to go along with the look.

Oh, and if you figure out how to get a new body, let me know! ;) I hope you figure out what's wrong soon.

Rachel, I'm sorry about the setback. How long do you think it will take to air out the house so you can go back?

Andrea, sorry you're feeling badly, too. It sounds like your body doesn't like something. Could it be clearing out the cavitation?

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Thanks Patti, Andrea and Carla.

I'm just feeling sad, sad, sad....and weepy. :(

I still cant even believe this happened...its pretty bad...I havent been "chemicaled" like this in a long time. This would be the first time this year I think.

Carla....I dont know if it can get aired out in a week. I'm worried about it alot now. Of course its the worst in the room I stay in...I might have to sleep in the living room with windows open or something. I just dont know. :(

If it doesnt get better in a week I dont know what I'll do.

Andrea...sorry you're not feeling well either. :(

It does sound like something is messing you up....your body's not liking something. Do you think its related to the tooth...is that when it started??

My brain is total mush right now so I cant even think about what it might be that I had posted before.

Do you think it could be from the stress of not being able to finish the LED's...all the financial worries on top of everything else?

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Andrea...sorry you're not feeling well either. :(

It does sound like something is messing you up....your body's not liking something. Do you think its related to the tooth...is that when it started??

My brain is total mush right now so I cant even think about what it might be that I had posted before.

Do you think it could be from the stress of not being able to finish the LED's...all the financial worries on top of everything else?

I don't know if it's the tooth, starting the detox, running out of money for treatments, or financial. Could be all of the above.

We have all been irritable, hubby included, but he and I seem to be the worse. Maybe in part due to the fact that the children had some quick detox's done with the LED's and we didn't.

I'll go back and look up that post. It was from your first appointment with the new doc that you're seeing today.

I don't know how long it would take to air out your mom's place. Seems the smell from that stuff can linger for awhile. Maybe you could sleep in the living room. :unsure:

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He said that the menstrual cycle is one of the things that is sensitive to all kinds of insults....there are all kinds of things that can be going on with me that would throw that off. So if thats working well.....things cant be that broken. :)

This is what I was referring to.

Hopefully this trend won't continue with me and it's just the stress of everything at once.

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Dear Mia,

Everyone is either really busy, or just on a lot of other threads. I miss every single person, too! :( Of course, we have others returning today. That is good! :) Rachelville will not be the same if the regulars are gone!

I hope the metals begin coming out, too. Those things are bad to have in. They disrupt your entire system! Every part of your body is effected badly by their presence. Let us know how your test results come out Wednesday! We are impatient to know as well! :)

Killing parasites is a daunting process. Also, as Rachel said, they probably are keeping that mercury in your system longer, too. They tend to store massive amounts of heavy metals. What is so odd is, they do not seem to be poisoned by them. Parasitic metabolisms must protect them somehow.

It might not be a bad idea to do some detox after completing the antiparasitic supplement. That might help move some of that mercury out. The worry is that redistribution could occur instead if it is not being released. You might want to wait until after Wednesday to do that. Your test results may reveal more metals coming out, and that might be too much to do at once.

Is today or tomorrow your last day for the parasite supplement? I know you only had a couple of days or so before you got to quit taking it. This probably is hard on your body! Take a break before detoxing. You do not want to push yourself too much. You are too frail for that.

Dear tom,

I cannot believe that guy's dog! :o He sure is a beauty! St. Bernards are so cute! I could not handle one, though. I do not have the strength! We used to have a Standard Schnauzer who would take me for a walk! :lol:

What a great pic of you and broncobux, mouse, and Momma Goose! :) I bet you all had a wonderful time. What all did you talk about? The meeting must have been fantastic! I wish I could have been there.

Dear Carla,

I cannot believe everywhere you have lived! You sure have done some traveling! All of the places you moved to before going to Cincy were a pretty good number. Your husband having a five-state territory sure helped! Adam must know everyone! :lol:

I am glad to hear you got your Levaquin! I know how bad you needed it! The pharmacist sounds really nice. It is great when they help like that. Our pharmacists are pretty good about things, too.

You will kick that Bartonella's butt! :angry: I was freaked out when I read the information on it you posted. I have almost all of those symptoms! I hope I do not have it as well! I have rashes, but I am not sure that it is not DH. I used to believe it was acne, but it itches and burns, and now it is in my scalp! :o

LymeNet does not sound like my kind of place. I am like you, I prefer the natural route whenever possible. Pills are not always the answer. Nature's pharmacy has a lot to offer. So many people refuse to believe a cure can be simple.

Choosing tiles is not easy. Decorating takes some major thought. You do not want your house to be ruined. Once you put something in there, you could be sorry. I am very particular about what I like, so I it is usually not hard for me to make up my mind. I love marble, particularly.

Dear Kassandra,

Yes, I did have pain in my lower abdomen from my gallbladder! It was as if someone had taken a double-edged sword and ripped it right through my intestines! Sometimes, I would even shriek in pain from it. Cramping in the colon is what I had, on top of the pain below my right rib. I also had horrible reflux, nausea, and constant gas.

Dear Donna,

Your message sounds wonderful! The congestion is not so great, though. I get that, too. There is mold everywhere in this house! It is even growing in the dehumidifier now!

That BioSet testing is unreal! I hope that they can put their finger on what some of the other trouble you have is from. The results appear quite reliable. Keep us posted on that. We will be anxious to hear!

Technical difficulties on the board definitely occur a lot. I have noticed some odd stuff happening when you try to post sometimes. It also tells you that someone is on there when they are not. Why it does this, I have no idea. Software is strange that way.

Yeast is so difficult to kill! I am hoping to get rid of it. I cannot afford Theralac. I might be able to do the cyprilic acid, but that is really all I can afford right now besides diet changes. Many other members have been curious about yeast lately. More people seem to be popping up with it now.

I cannot blame you for not wanting to take that one supplement. Who would want to put something in your body that burns your lips? What could it do to your insides if it is doing that to your outsides? That is not a pleasant thought! It would probably make anyone apprehensive.

The epsom salt baths and baking soda baths sound doable. I just do not like the idea of sitting in our tub. There is mold all over the place. I know I could probably kill it off now that I have some good bleach. Some brushes and stuff need thrown out, because they are loaded with it.

Hopefully, everything will work well with the new supplements. It looks like that one has a ton of things in it. The pill seems quite well-rounded. Hormonally correct is very important in a supplement. I know my estrogen levels are too high. I have noticed soy milk and soy flour tend to make me hotflash.

Negativity is something I make an effort to avoid as well. People do not need to argue bitterly over things. It hinders wellness, and is not beneficial in any way. Some people who start fights with people are best left alone. I never have understood people who do that. LymeNet does not seem to be my type of place.

I am sorry to hear about your sore throat and ears. I get a scratchy throat whenever I eat cereal with soymilk. I did not react that way or get stomach upset without the carageenan, but the vanilla flavor gives me the scratchy throat. I must be sensitive to whatever the flavoring agent is. The plain does not do that to me.

Your neurotransmitter test results will be interesting. Maybe they will find out why you have so much difficulty sleeping. That would be great! The chemicals in our brain are capable of a lot. They can cause many problems when they are not working properly.

Dear Sherry,

That is great about your allergies improving! :) Who would have thought? I always have had year-round allergies. Nothing works on them either. I am allergic to indoor and outdoor items.

Planning when you travel likely helps a lot. Two ten-day trips sounds a bit exhausting! I do not know how you do it! I would love to go to China, though. Guilin is especially beautiful with the misty mountains and river running through it. As you said, in Northern China, they grow a lot of wheat, so it is not as easy to be gluten and soy-free there.

I am not that informed as some of the others are about chelation and detox. Charcoal seems to be one of the safest methods. Lemon water is recommended as well. I am going to try that. Spirulina can probably help detox you, but whether or not it helps with chelation is another story. Chlorella is always the seaweed mentioned specifically when chelation is involved, but detox is also frequently encouraged with its use.

I would like to try the baking soda baths as well. I do not know if I could stand sitting in the bath tub right now. Maybe after it is really clean. My butt is not going to sit on it the way it is now! Mold is all over the place!

Now that I am eating applesauce again, the C is better. I am back to my normal self in that department now. Soy flour sure helps that along! It is a bean. That is probably why. However, soy is estrogenic, and so I need to limit my consumption.

Mastic gum is good assurance against h. pylori. That is one nasty bug. I did research on that a while back. Another thing is broccoli, which contains sulfurophane. This compound kills it. Three florets is about all you need a day if you can tolerate it.

Thank you for the links to the Cowden protocol! I have them in my favorites now. It is always important to have such information. You never know when it will come in handy! Now it is ready when I need it.

I agree that LymeNet is probably best avoided if there is so much negativity. I do not like that. People attacking each other especially is uncalled for. It really is not necessary. I see no reason why people cannot be congenial to one another.

Dear Patti,

I am not sure the worry will ever completely go away. Like tom said, it gets very small, but does not disappear all the way. I am probably too anal about things, but I get too ill from gluten not to be. People can say you are obsessive if they want, but they are not the ones who suffer. Regardless, I am glad you enjoyed your gluten-free beer. Maybe you will be able to enjoy one more regularly now!

Dear Andrea,

Have you and Mitch began the Pau D'Arco yet? I was wondering, because that might be affordable for me. I have never tried it. I hope it does not taste bad. I heard it is not too expensive.

I cannot really think of anything to add on that topic, either. Mercury is bad news. The sooner it is removed from the system, the better. That is about all I know, besides the sources of it. There sure are a lot, too!

Dear Rachel,

Chelation is a scary process. Those stupid parasites, especially worms, really have a large capacity for metals. They can just continue to grow. Can you imagine how much mercury a tapeworm could be holding? Now there is a frightening prospect!

I would stay away from the LymeNet negativity, too. That does not sound like a positive environment. Bad energy is best avoided. I do not like it when people argue just to argue. Respectfully disagreeing, as we do on here is one thing, but people who just like to aggravate others is quite another! I have no use for those individuals.

Stool tests are sort of fifty-fifty to me, too. Sometimes they are accurate, but they have missed things with a lot of people.

I think it depends on the lab you have for one thing. Certain labs are better at finding parasites, while others specialize in Candida or bacterial problems. I have no idea why C. Diff would show up despite you supposedly not having a bacterial dysbiosis issue.

Sincerely,

Jin

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Carla,

What you picked out for the kitchen sounds real nice.

Thanks. Buying a smaller, less expensive house than before has its perks. :)

Rachel, I have air cleaners that do a great job, would something like that help?

I bought some blinds from the hardware store for our bedroom. They said they were real wood. Well, I guess it depends on your definition of "real wood" :angry: . Anyway, they are particle board and had a definate smell ... that smell always bothers me ... So, I put the air cleaner in that part of our room and it's helping. It'll be a while before these blinds lose their scent though. If it weren't for the air cleaner, I'd have returned them. They're white blinds, so there was no way to tell that they weren't "real wood" as the package stated.

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Donna, I don't think the cholestyramine will be a miracle for sleep ... I've been taking it for months ... bart can cause insomnia ... and sore throat ... as I was reading, I was thinking that it sounds like what I'm reading about bart, so I wasn't surprised Scott said you have it.

Yeah, I was hoping that maybe if it cleared out the toxins my liver wouldn't have to work so hard and maybe I'd sleep better...but it's probably something like bart, lol.

Hi Donna :) Sorry to hear you're still having sleep problems. It's really hard keeping going when you're tired. On the EFAs, have you tried cracked linseeds? They are also good from a fibre point of view.

Gosh sorry you're feeling worse! I haven't tried the linseeds yet...I don't think that came up in any testing either so that might be good to try. I'll see if I can find some...pretty sure I can't do the hemp very often, lol.

Ok guys...MAJOR heinosity today. :(

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Donna...I'm sure you can imagine what its like going from Palo Alto to Manteca at around 6:00. GREAT FUN....especially with a raging headache. :rolleyes:

OMGosh!!! I'm so sorry for the heiniosity!!! I think the chemicals can linger for quite a while unless they really air the house out.

Oh yeah, traffic is horrible...it gets steadily worse from 3:00 on...one reason why I LOVE getting off at 2:30 and why I don't work overtime if I can help it, lol.

I've been highly emotional and somewhat depressed lately myself. Don't know if it's stuff going on with me or with the general chaos with the family. My tooth socket is bothering me more again today. My cycle is starting to get erratic, if that continues then I'll have to assume my body is not liking whatever I'm going through right now. I know you posted something about that Rachel but I don't remember the specifics.

Gosh Andrea, I'm so sorry you aren't feeling better either!!!

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Have you and Mitch began the Pau D'Arco yet? I was wondering, because that might be affordable for me. I have never tried it. I hope it does not taste bad. I heard it is not too expensive.

I buy tea bags at Whole Foods (it's expensive there) and I think it tastes just like any other tea.

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