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Ice Cream Question?

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yesterday I had 2 teaspoons of ice cream as desert. At my Dietician's suggestion I had it with Lactase (by Solgar). I thought I was safe...I had stomach pain and bloated and nausea from that small amount. When I looked at the ingredients for the lactase it said: mannitol,microcrystaline cellulose, guar gum, natural vanilla flavor(powder), vegetable magnesium stearate.

I assumed there was some hidden gluten as it is a chewable wafer.

Tonight, after feeling ok with dinner I decided to have the same 2 teaspoons of ice cream without the Lactase enzyme. A half hour later the nausea, stomach pain and bloating start again! I was having a good evening too......:(

so, I checked out the plain vanilla Haagen-das ingredients and this is what it says: cream, skim milk, sugar, egg yolks, natural vanilla.

I haven't been able to have eggs lately........they make me sooooo sick...maybe it's that. I don't think it's the lactose intolerance because I can have a little milk in my coffee and it doesn't bother me.

It's safe to say that I won't be having that ice cream anymore. I'm just not sure if ALL ice cream is off limits or if it's the egss that are really doing me in? Does anyone know if any of the Lactase ingredients have gluten? I haven't able to find the mannitol on any lists.....gluten-free or not. hhmmmmmmmmmmm

I am reacting to so many things and trying to figure it out. It gets a little complicated at times.

Thanks,

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Hi Mel,

well, if there is a wafer it probably had gluten. If it didn't have the lactase enzyme and you still had problems, then i'd think it was the wafer. I just think so, because you wrote you also can have little amounts of milk in your coffee? Well, i eat Breyers ice cream (only the ones with no obvious gluten ingridients such a biscuits) and sometimes have pain with that, too. And Breyer's is supposed to be glutenfree. But since I started to have some problems with our glutenfree christmas cookies and the pepsi sometimes I figured it could also be the sugar. I also noticed, when i'm slightly dehydrated and eat those things it happens much more often. I'm about to drink my second 20 oz bottle of pepsi this evening and didn't have problems at all. But I didn't drink or eat sweat stuff for a couple of days and drank lots of water. So that's probably what it is with me. Maybe it helps you, too :unsure: .

Good luck on your research, Stef

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Hmmm I thought I read here that Lactaid is gluten-free but also some ice creams are not gluten-free. I know that Ben and Jerry's is gluten-free except the obvious gluten choices... Like Chocolate Chip cookie dough or Chocolate Fudge Brownie.

Susan

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Long before I'd ever heard of celiac disease, gluten, etc., one of the first indications I had that I was probably having problems with it (hindsight!) is that I became extraordinarily sensitive to certain fats; cream and meat fats mostly. I would be in GI h*ll for about 2 hours after eating these things (and then there would be nothing left in my system so I was much better, though hungry again.) After 9 months gluten-free, I am not nearly as sensitive (if chicken breast is cooked on the same grill as beef, I'll still get an upset stomach, but I won't be in complete agony.) Cream sauces or cooked cream, for some reason, is the bane of my dining existence, though. They are just too rich. If your system has the same damage as mine, try frozen yogurt or ice milk or the tofutti brand instead of the heavy cream based ice creams. These I have no problem with. (I've begun taking a lactaid pill before eating them though, just to be safe since I'm now showing signs of lactose intolerance. Joy!)

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I'd guess that gluten is NOT the problem with the ice cream. The vast majority of ice cream is gluten-free. In fact, with most brands, only the obvious stuff (cookies, cake, cookie dough) has gluten. I think you're having an egg or lactose (or both) problem.

richard

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It sounds like you ate at home. . .but if you didn't could they have cross-contaminated? Using the same scooper and such?

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I'm thinking that it was the egg more that that ice cream. There have been times when I've shared an icecream with my husband and no problem. I actually had 2 teaspoons...and started to feel sick within 20 minutes. Eggs have been making me really sick lately....the whole body thing...nausea, bloating, headache etc. Just a real sick feeling so I've been avoiding them....these just snuck in there. Maybe the other ice creams didn't have eggs.hmmmmmmmmmmm

well, i guess i won't be experimenting for a while....today was a rough day. My gut just reacted to everything and I feel awful. I never want to eat again!

this is too hard...

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Wafer--there's the gluten....though I'm surprised that the gluten doesn't show up on the label--that it doesn't say "wheat" somewhere in there".... <_<

There are many gluten-free ice creams. Most of Haagen-Dazs is gluten-free, as with Edys, I believe. I have a list from Haagen-Dazs that I posted a couple months ago, I guess. I haven't bothered to investigate other brands as I am satisfied with Haagen-Dazs.

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If it's just egg, there are other ice creams (and gelato) that's gluten-free. There are Gluten-free Casein-free frozen desserts as well (like soy "ice cream" and sorbet).

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FreyaUSA-- :unsure: i have never heard anyone else say that meat fat bothered them--i was thinking i was alone in that--i never eat dark meat of chicken or turkey--never eat any duck or goose, they are way too fat--rarely ever eat beef andi only eat the whitest pork---fat from meat has bothered me for years :( and mela--i do try to stay with the lower fat ice creams too--kroger has a ice milk that is really good--if eggs are bothering you, then you have a whole new set of problems--i feel for you :unsure: if it is an egg problem, i will say that in the beginning i ate cottage cheese and applesauce mixed together everyday and that was mostly what i stuck with until my tummy settled for a few weeks--keep your chin up :) deb

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Thanks Deb,

I am going to have to try some different things for breakfast. Eggs have become a real killer for me. I feel so ill after eating them...nausea, bloating, headache, dizzy...the whole allergic thing. At first I didn't think it was eggs ..I always blamed it on whatever else I had at the meal. After being told I was gluten intolerant..I would have only eggs at a meal and bammmmmm I'ld get sick. I couldn't blame it anything else. Now I am noticing that if it's in something I get sick too. I guess keeping a journal of what goes in my mouth has been helpful in that respect.

So...the list is getting longer.....Eggs, Soy, Peanuts, Gluten...... no wonder I was so sick!!!

How did all this happen? I know it started years ago but got really bad in the recent past. :(

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Mel,

I too have celiac disease, which was actually diagnosed while working me up for what turned out to be an egg allergy! I was gettting bloating, voming and diarrhea and the worst abdominal pain I have ever had ( and considering I had a baby 4 weeks before that was really saying something!) The combination is hard, as a lot of gluten free products or recipes in books for breads, cookies etc have egg. I do know that Breyers is gluten-free AND egg free as are some of the stoneybrook farm organic icecreams. Haagen daas and a lot of other ones have egg. Gelato actually has egg yolk (which is normally not what people are allergic to it is the white) and sorbet has egg as well. Sherbert is fine. On gluten free mall there are some egg free and gluten-free breads and other items. I don't know how active your celiac is, but I was told by my allergist that it is possible that these other 'sensitivities' may actually improve as celiac damage to your intestine heals. They can do testing to find out if it is a TRUE allergy, but that is rare to develop as an adult.

Would love to hear if you find any yummy egg free/gluten-free products. I am only two weeks into the gluten-free diet and about 2 months into the egg free.

Good luck,

Linda

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Hi Linda,

Ok...so I'm not an oddball!! whewwwwwwwww. I'm hoping what you're saying is true and that the other alleriges will get better as the intestines heal. My doctor said the same thing. Only time and a strict diet will tell. How was your diagnosis for gluten intolerance made? did you have blood tests done>which one? or did you have a biopsy done?

I had all the classic symptoms and one of the blood tests came back strong positive. The thing is I am having so many setbacks with these other food intolerances that I feel my intestines will never heal! I had a terrble reaction to soy too and was sick for 2 days. It gave me the same syptoms as the gluten! I started to notice the egg sensitivity even before I had any thought about gluten but always blamed it on something else.

Everytime my dietician has me try something new I react and all the same syptoms return that I feel whatever good I did was just cancelled out by the new reaction.

Maybe I should just not eat for the next few months to give my insides some rest!!!! Everything is in such an uproar.

the hagen das i had the other night had egg yolks I think.... but then again even with the yolks there has to be a chance of getting some of the white in there. Knowing me.....i'm probably allergic to the whole egg!

Thanks for clueing me in.

:rolleyes:

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morning mela---i did just read the other day that soy is just as bad for some of us as are the other gluten containing grains--soy protein can be very bad on some of us--i cant tolerate it anymore either--i never eat eggs, just to eat eggs, i never have much liked then since the time i got sick eating them when pregnant--i did eat them as a kid though and was fine then, but i ate bread then too :( somedays mela--i just dont know anymore--good that you keep a diary, that will help--it sounds like you better stay away from eggs for now though---deb

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a true sorbet shouldn't contain egg! it should be fruit and sugar only! (food nazi in me... ya know ;-) ) there are plenty of sorbets out there that don't have egg.

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OK...guys, thanks for all your help,

I can finally say that dairy is now on the list of foods to avoid. I had butter on a baked potatoe last night and was sick through the entire night. I could not sleep, had terrible stomach pain, sour tummy, muscle pain, migraine and a nauseous sick feeling all night. I actually had to stay home today because I felt so ill. It gave me time to do some research and try to figure this out. I ordered the IGg Elisa Food Scan to see what else I am reacting to. I have to take the guess work out of this. So, if I was reacting to the ice cream before with the eggs...then reacting to the butter must confirm that dairy is doing me in to. a few days ago I had shared some of my husband's coffee, which I never have anymore (i still drink espresso though) and I was sick right after it...of course I added milk to it. so that's 3 different times in the past week that I had dairy and got sick. How could I have overlooked all this? My husband encouraged me to get this food testing done as he is constantly seeing me sick and can't help..........i finally gave in.

OK....so for now dairy is off limits too. Maybe the food test will tell me if it is casein or lactose. I'm thinking it's casein.

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sorry to hear you're having so many problems, i know how that goes. anyway, about the eggs, you might want to try just eating the whites by themselves. or the yolks. i have a real problem with eggs too, but it's not the whites, just the yolks. it's much less frustrating if you can have one or the other, especially with baking.

hope you feel better soon.

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Hi,

I see that someone mentioned this, but I'd like to reaffirm that maybe it is the egg white not the egg yolk that is bothering you. I am 60 years old and have had symptoms of celiac since age 8. I have to stay away from all grains, all milk and dairy (including casein & whey), egg whites and yeast. Also, things like modified food starch and who knows what else bother me (it is a constant process of discovery).

Believe me, once you learn the foods that bother you, you will feel so grateful for the ones you can eat, and you will feel so much better overall, that life will get better and better each day.

Today I did my "Day After Christmas" cooking, and I made candy with sugar, Karo syrup, soy milk, dates, cocoanut and walnuts; an ice cream treat with raspberry, lemon, and peach sorbet, along with vanilla soy ice cream, smothered with pecans; peanut butter cookies using non-grain flours, Imperial Margarine, sugar, peanut butter, peanuts, walnuts, and vanilla; and corn tacos using home-cooked chicken as the filling. There are so many foods that we can have, and I am so grateful to be feeling good. I hope that you will find the foods that you, too, can eat, and the joy that comes with renewed health! Welda

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Hi guys,

Mela, sorry to hear you are feeling so ill. I know what it's like. Can I ask you: where do you go to get tested for food allergies? What do you ask your doctor for, specifically? I'm new at this and need to get tested for additional allergies.....

Jenn

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Most ice cream more full of additives than most anything. When I used to eat it in the past

I would feel tired afterwards and it definitely didn't help the A.D.D. Also, regular

ice cream has all that milk fat. Non organic milk fat collects all those toxins from the grass and in the environments of the cows in general. Correlated to breast cancer, seriously.

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Soy Delicious makes a non-dairy, gluten free ice cream that's good (at least the chocolate flavor).

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