• Ads by Google:
     




    Get email alerts Celiac.com E-Newsletter

    Ads by Google:



       Get email alertsCeliac.com E-Newsletter

  • Announcements

    • admin

      Frequently Asked Questions About Celiac Disease   09/30/2015

      This Celiac.com FAQ on celiac disease will guide you to all of the basic information you will need to know about the disease, its diagnosis, testing methods, a gluten-free diet, etc.   Subscribe to FREE Celiac.com email alerts What are the major symptoms of celiac disease? Celiac Disease Symptoms What testing is available for celiac disease? - list blood tests, endo with biopsy, genetic test and enterolab (not diagnostic) Celiac Disease Screening Interpretation of Celiac Disease Blood Test Results Can I be tested even though I am eating gluten free? How long must gluten be taken for the serological tests to be meaningful? The Gluten-Free Diet 101 - A Beginner's Guide to Going Gluten-Free Is celiac inherited? Should my children be tested? Ten Facts About Celiac Disease Genetic Testing Is there a link between celiac and other autoimmune diseases? Celiac Disease Research: Associated Diseases and Disorders Is there a list of gluten foods to avoid? Unsafe Gluten-Free Food List (Unsafe Ingredients) Is there a list of gluten free foods? Safe Gluten-Free Food List (Safe Ingredients) Gluten-Free Alcoholic Beverages Distilled Spirits (Grain Alcohols) and Vinegar: Are they Gluten-Free? Where does gluten hide? Additional Things to Beware of to Maintain a 100% Gluten-Free Diet Free recipes: Gluten-Free Recipes Where can I buy gluten-free stuff? Support this site by shopping at The Celiac.com Store.

Deadly Dairy?
0

14 posts in this topic

This is a small article I found on ceilac.com about milk:

"Dietary Proteins in Human Milk"

"Proteins ingested by mother can appear in the breast milk. There is well known disease in breast fed babies called eosinophilic colitis, which causes eosinophilic infiltration in the large intestine of the babies and clinically presents as rectal bleeding. The therapy is very simple: the mother stops ingesting cow milk and cow milk products and the babies do not have bleeding and they are completely well. Based on this clinical syndrome, the same possibility exists for the presence of gluten peptides in Human milk. Studies on this have been done by Dr. Reichelt."

What about the possibility of gluten peptides in cow

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ads by Google:
Ads by Google:

Since cows have four chambers in their stomachs, I'm betting that their digestive process would eliminate gluten from milk. However, I do know that if a milk cow eats onion plants, the milk will taste like onions. I also know that sometimes cows are put out to graze in harvested wheat fields. I don't know how common that practice is, though.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Dessa,

I found this by searching celiac.com:

"AB- In two comparative groups of 50 children with cow milk proteins and 45 children with gluten intolerance retrospective analysis of initial symptoms was carried out. The initial symptoms of intolerance included: vomiting, loss of appetite, recurrent diarrhea, and weight gain disorders. These symptoms closely correlated with the type of nutrition (mixed, artificial) and the duration of exposition to harmful component of the food. The symptoms appeared within first days after birth with peak intensity in 6-8 weeks of life in the group with cow milk proteins intolerance. The symptoms of intolerance were most frequent in children of group II in 7-12 months of life. To prevent food intolerance in Polish children, it is recommended to feed them naturally as long as possible and to introduce flour and 4 basic grains late (after the 6th months of life)."

I

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If I am understanding that piece correctly, the intolerance to the milk proteins happened quickly, but the gluten needed time to do its damage. Maybe that is why not all of us have the diarrhea and so many cannot get positive biopsies: something has happened in their lives (in my case it was poverty!) to stop them from eating gluten for a while and thus slowing the damage. I wonder why the milk reactions happened so much faster.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Dessa,

Not being a doctor, I'm not sure, but could it be the peptonized gluten proteins just get into the bloodstream faster in the number one study group?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ads by Google:


Does it account for children who have bottles supplemented in their diet? Or are they all exclusively breast fed?

I am convinced that the gluten gets through. I noticed a seriously marked change in my own son when I went gluten-free for two months. Now I went back on gluten after he was 6 months old and he seems ok with it now but it has not been introduced directly in his diet till just yesterday in the form of a teething biscut. We will see what results.

But man if the green colour from the spinach I eat gets through..

LOL

Denise

PS Its good to know someone has studied this at least all us mothers don't have any back up so far till now.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Denise,

The little article simply does not go into that kind of detail. The general Google searches I

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thomas, When my problems with cow milk persisted, I tried to use goat milk and have had great success. Evidently, I am digesting the proteins in the goat milk, but cow milk does not digest properly. I don't have a clue as to why. But anytime I eat cereal or add creamer to my coffee and it isn't goat milk I get really sick. My cousin also has a problem with cow milk and my grandson. Shirley

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Shirley, I have a quick question for you. You said you have issues with milk, do you have issues with cheese? I am suspecting ( not conclusively yet) that I seem to have problems if I drink milk, and yet I can I have cheese everyday, and have not noticed a problem with that. Does that even make sense?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Shirley,

I thought you might find this interesting about Redwood Hill Farm goat dairy:

"At this time Redwood Hill Farm products are not certified organic, but we are working towards that goal. The main stumbling block is that we cannot purchase all of the feed that the goats eat certified organic. The grain fed to animals is mostly grown in the midwest. Since we are a smaller, family farm we buy the grain from our feed mill. At this time they do not bring in organic feed and we are working with them with that goal in mind. We feed grain that is vegetarian and does not contain preservatives or other unnatural additives. 70% of the goats' diet is hay. We feed alfalfa hay and either bean or oat hay to give the goats variety. We can find some organic hay. Since goats are browsers (like deer) rather than grazers (like sheep or cows), our long term goal is to grow tree crops organically and harvest them for the goats to eat. We use no pesticide or insecticides on our farm and instead use traps and beneficial insects for fly control."

Maybe since the goats are "browsers," they do not eat the same things as cows.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thomas, ever since you posed this question I have been very curious to find some answers. I have been researching, and finally came up with something I found very intersting. It's not conclusive b/c it does not discuss the issues with gluten protiens in the milk, but it does seem as though gluten is a normal part of ingestion. Curious to see what you all might see in this.....

Feed Grains for Dairy Cattle

The major grains fed to dairy cattle in the U.S. are corn, sorghum, oats, wheat and barley. Research in the late 1960s indicated that all these grains supported the same level of milk production when fed in a pelleted grain mix. However, this research was conducted with a diet consisting of 55 percent alfalfa hay (dry basis) fed to cows past peak milk yield, with low feed intake. For today's high-producing herds, on-farm observations suggest that palatability of a grain mix is usually improved when no single grain makes up more than 80 percent of the concentrate mix

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

AT LEAST, ONE THING IS GOOD WITH MILK, IT'S CALLED LACTOFERRIN

http://pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/sample/o01-212.pdf

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2000/oct200...actoferrin.html

I HAVE REALLY BIG PROBLEM WITH MILK. I DON'T KNOW IF ITS LACTOSE, OR THE FACT THAT THIS DRINK IS FULL OF PROTEIN. ALSO BOVINE MILK CAN CONTAIN LOTS OF GOOD BACTERIA IF YOU EAT YOGURT, BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, CAN CONTAIN E COLI TO.

I DECIDED TO EAT LITTLE GOAT YOGURT. THEY SAY IT'S RESTORE INTESTINAL FLORA. BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF LACTOFERRIN.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
0

  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      106,112
    • Total Posts
      928,997
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      63,516
    • Most Online
      3,093

    Newest Member
    Ophelia
    Joined
  • Popular Now

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Dermatitis Herpetiformis  can manifest itself in lesions anywhere, not just elbows and knees.  I have it and although gluten free, I still have severe itching and little bumps that itch.  I don't have the lesions any more, but itching can drive a person mad.  the bumps can be on buttocks, shoulders, etc.  Dapsone is the standard treatment, if you are not allergic.  I also use topical prescription creams.  I take 2 Zyrtec a day and benedryl at night.  Benedril spray helps with temporary relief.  Also am on hydroxyzine and doxepin.  Sometimes steroids like prednisone help, but can ruin ones blood sugar counts.  I use Grandma's Baking Soda soap.  Straw may certainly be a factor.  I must be coming in contact with a trigger of some kind even though I'm very careful about my diet.  Change your dermatologist and get a specialist in DH.  I went for years with all kinds of stomach and bowel issues and was 69 years old before being correctly diagnosed.  Don't let anyone tell you it's your imagination!
    • I can not help you except to offer some emotional support.  You are not crazy!  You can get glutened on a farm.  Here is a study: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc063112#t=article This topic has come up before: Hugs!      
    • I know I got glutened after handling some straw last year helping out decorating at the farmers market then going to eat something without washing my hands. I later learned it was wheat straw, some of them still had the heads on them and everything. Gave that area wide walk around after that, I did not have much issues with inhalation with it. But if your there with a thrasher running, down wind during the harvest.......I imagine it might be hell if your super sensitive. If you get skin reactions that easily from it I guess taking a vacation during harvest? Try staying indoors, dust mask, long sleeves and pants hope for the best.......I am just throwing some ideas out there. Maybe someone can help a bit more.
    • Hi i haven't been diagnosed yet. Bloodwork was negative (on gluten free diet) and I'm awaiting skin biopsy results  I have DH on the front of my thighs. The dermatologist says DH only happens on knees and elbows therefore I don't have it. It's itchy as hell, blisters, purple scans as It heals, migrates around but always in that spot on both legs. It takes 5 days after exposure to gluten for it to show up and it can last for a month. I throw up 24 hours after exposure, GI symptoms 36 hours after that last for about a week. I also will have a panic attack somewhere in that time.  I've been gluten free since December. Rash went away after a week of no gluten but came back after a few months (I ate a rice Crispie square)  My problem is this. I live in a farming community. I just filled my dogs kennel with straw not even THINKING about gluten. This was last week. All symptoms happened in order and now the DH is back. How the hell am I going to survive? I can stop using it on my property but what if it's in the air during Harvest time? I thought I had a mental handle on this but I'm devastated and terrified. My husband doubts it's possible the straw Glutened me but I know it did. What if this summer the air literally kills me? Has anyone dealt with this? I feel like I'm going insane, I'm so obsessed with this and now I'm itchy and sick too 😥 
    • It's good to be aware isn't it. Medical research has verified airborne particles can be problematic and hopefully there will be greater refinement in the research to establish greater understanding over time.  The site manager at the construction site informed me that my symptoms starting coincided with when the work with cement started. As I got sick from plaster in my house I am thinking this could be related. I was honest with my doctor about my symptoms and said I thought it had something to do with working next to a construction site. He said it sounds like an allergice response and said that it could be related to gluten symptoms but that these things are poorly understood.  The cement work nearest my window is finishing this week and I'm due to return to my job. Relief! X 
  • Upcoming Events