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White bread causes issues but wheat bread doesnt?


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I've been on a journey figuring out the cause of my digestive issues and i was talking to my mom because of the genetics involved in having celiac passed down (mom hasn't been diagnosed with it), and she said that when she eats white bread maybe one day she doesn't have any issues but iif she continuously eats it for a week she get's constipated. However, if she eats wheat bread like the 100% whole grains with the 7 types of grains and what not she doesn't seem to have any issues. She also said that all-purpose flour also gives her issues but not when she eats cake or anything of that sort. I'm not really sure what's going on. She doesn't have any stomach pain though.

I have celiac symtoms like weird bubbling in lower abdomen almost like cramps, sometimes pain in my sides, bloating and pain in the upper stomach (but mostlikely due to the gastritis and h. pylori infection i have right now as well as the PPI's I'm on right now for it- antibiotics will start when I see the GI this week) and i have oily stools like an oily film over the water when i poop. I don't have constipation or diarrhea right now because I'm taking Citrucel every day for the past two weeks but I'm just worried. I know I shouldnt be trying to diagnose my mom with her symptoms. She says she doesn't have any issues and the bread/constipation only happens when she eats too much bread but I'm still anxious because I guess I'm trying to create a problem that might not even be there. Any tips or advice would be great. I'm a college freshman and this is all happening too fast. Thank you!

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kareng Grand Master

Not enough fiber in the white bread?  

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There are many gi issues, food intolerances, and allergies out there. Some of us have a combo of them. Constipation can be a celiac symptom your mom symptoms may vary and the multi grain may have other ingredients that relieve her constipation symptoms or the contents versus threshold may vary for your mom. In my opinion a food elimination and reintroduction will help her figure out her various symptoms to the different items. Only to be done AFTER the celiac testing. Thorough celiac testing.

Since celiac runs in your family the gi Dr. Should be told so he/she can start there. As many explain here it's rule in rule out process. I spent years with various allergies being told I had environmental allergens through it my lifetime. Allergens was not consistent from one DR test to another why because it was food as the causative agent not the other way. 2016 revealed these allergens mysteriously disappeared. Gluten is my kryptonite lynch pin that starts the fall of dominoes then to me almost anything and everything can become become an issue. 

I hope you and your mom find someone who starts the opposite route of my path. Looking at the celiac family connection, celiac, and then allergies. I spent decades with medical specialist/ compartmentalization of my gi issues, allergies, and skin issues being isolated when they should have all been One person: one system: all manifestations of celiac. Unfortunate but I'm a unique celiac enigma to them and I guess age also contributed to that. Mainstream Dr s just didn't look at food back then. 

Yes, it 's hard to diagnose self and best if you don't, in this day and age I hope less people have to self diagnose as my husband and  I have for me. I had to undergo a gluten challenge after I knew it was a problem and I had the greatest set back ever. Your mom and you be tested now if she is not reacting as strongly or dramatically it could still be celiac /NCGS but the immune system can act differently based on a small consistent amounts of gluten, versus regular full amounts, or full on gluten challenge after being gluten-free. Symptoms run the gamet.

Get tested, good luck, this is not something to mess around with, the earlier you find out and are on the healing path is the wish of those of us who had the other path. We wish for you/others not to have had our challenges,discomfort, struggles.

Good luck and to your health.

edit : lastly different breads have different gluten content levels. Some more than others. For example one symptom physical manifestation for me (I have many physical and otherwise  ) is bloating.  I reacted to any bread but my bloating was less extreme if I had one slice of" white  wonder" versus a  higher gluten content bread variety or more than one piece etc. 

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43 minutes ago, Awol cast iron stomach said:

There are many gi issues, food intolerances, and allergies out there. Some of us have a combo of them. Constipation can be a celiac symptom your mom symptoms may vary and the multi grain may have other ingredients that relieve her constipation symptoms or the contents versus threshold may vary for your mom. In my opinion a food elimination and reintroduction will help her figure out her various symptoms to the different items. Only to be done AFTER the celiac testing. Thorough celiac testing.

Since celiac runs in your family the gi Dr. Should be told so he/she can start there. As many explain here it's rule in rule out process. I spent years with various allergies being told I had environmental allergens through it my lifetime. Allergens was not consistent from one DR test to another why because it was food as the causative agent not the other way. 2016 revealed these allergens mysteriously disappeared. Gluten is my kryptonite lynch pin that starts the fall of dominoes then to me almost anything and everything can become become an issue. 

I hope you and your mom find someone who starts the opposite route of my path. Looking at the celiac family connection, celiac, and then allergies. I spent decades with medical specialist/ compartmentalization of my gi issues, allergies, and skin issues being isolated when they should have all been One person: one system: all manifestations of celiac. Unfortunate but I'm a unique celiac enigma to them and I guess age also contributed to that. Mainstream Dr s just didn't look at food back then. 

Yes, it 's hard to diagnose self and best if you don't, in this day and age I hope less people have to self diagnose as my husband and  I have for me. I had to undergo a gluten challenge after I knew it was a problem and I had the greatest set back ever. Your mom and you be tested now if she is not reacting as strongly or dramatically it could still be celiac /NCGS but the immune system can act differently based on a small consistent amounts of gluten, versus regular full amounts, or full on gluten challenge after being gluten-free. Symptoms run the gamet.

Get tested, good luck, this is not something to mess around with, the earlier you find out and are on the healing path is the wish of those of us who had the other path. We wish for you/others not to have had our challenges,discomfort, struggles.

Good luck and to your health.

edit : lastly different breads have different gluten content levels. Some more than others. For example one symptom physical manifestation for me (I have many physical and otherwise  ) is bloating.  I reacted to any bread but my bloating was less extreme if I had one slice of" white  wonder" versus a  higher gluten content bread variety or more than one piece etc. 

Thank you very much! A point I  think I didn't explain properly, my family doesn't have a known history of celiacs. I was just assuming that my mom might have it because of the one constipation symptom. But just not at a serious level but who knows. I hope that the issue isn't celiac but I guess we'll see. 

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1 hour ago, kareng said:

Not enough fiber in the white bread?  

I'm not sure if that is affecting anything. She has told me that she uses the restroom pretty regularly and hasn't had extreme or any issues really. Just something she has noticed is that she gets constipated if she has too much of white bread or all-purpose flour. Thank you!

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White bread is usually fortified with vitamins, while whole grain bread is usually not fortified. Even gluten-free cereals such as Lucky Charms give me problems, and I suspect it's from all of the added stuff. The low fiber can also cause the issues. 

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