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Hidradenitis Supporativa, Anybody?

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This is my first post. I am glad to have found this sight! A little background --I felt absolutely horrible the past few months and went to the doctor thinking I would be diagnosed with hypothyroid. Among my weird symptoms was a very odd lesion-like outbreak on my right thigh. I have had this kind of thing before, but "few and far between". I guess I picked the wrong doctor (or so most people in this small town have confirmed). My blood test revealed a heightened TSH level, but not what she would treat (based on the old scale) inspite of my family history and other symptoms. I started doing my own research and found a skin condition linked to Hypothyroid called Hidradenitis Supporativa (which seemed to perfectly describe what I was going through). I also saw that Hypothyroid was linked to gluten-sensitivity. It was then that I began to put the pieces together...I had spent the previous few monthes on a total health kick (you might say) where I was buying wheat and grinding it myself to make "nutritious" breads, pancakes, etc. Occasionally I was using a dough enhancer that contained vital wheat gluten and soy. I thought I was being "so healthy" but I think I may have been poisoning myself! I went gluten-free three weeks ago and I feel better than I can ever remember feeling! My digestion has improved, my complexion looks clear, my energy is through the roof and my weird skin thing cleared up (mostly)! I am left thinking that hypothyroid, hidradenitis supporativa, cyclical hormone levels and gluten are all related. Can anyone here "confirm" this for me based on their own experience? I wonder which of the autoimmune issues is "driving" my other symptoms? Also, what type of doctor should I go to (if any)?

Thanks for reading!

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I remember there were at least two discussions about hidraeenitis not coming back after going gluten-free, but I could not find the discussion where also a doctor was discussed with the search function. The point was that the connection between hidradenitis and gluten is virtually unknown and only this one doctor had caught onto it.

today in the local newspaper there was this article about a young woman with hidradenitis under the arms who has had 31 surgries and she blames the hospital for not doing a good enough job and that they did not put in drains last time and she feels that was the cause of the things returning. well, it is not. It is autoimmune and she needs someone to tell her to try totally gluten-free.

I guess it would be better for you to post in the pre-diagnosis folder here, and to ask for the ordinary 6 celiac blood tests first.

nora

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Thank you, Nora. Your suggestions are helpful. I will repost in the folder you suggested. I haven't had the celiac tests done. I think I will start there!

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I see the thread has been moved here, hopefully you get more answers here.

Just one thing: You need to eat a lot of gluten for the ordinary celiac tests to be positive.

I happened to be low-carb and therefore I have no official diagnosis. I should have been back on gluten much longer before testing (in order to get positive tests. I should have gotten biopsies for DH already back in 03.)

nora

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HS is a very serious illness & can kill you. I would not be eating any gluten to test positive for a test. One bad boil in the wrong place... Please do not be eating gluten...

I have a friend that has this & he has no problems as long as he is gluten-free. I think it is also connected to the glutamates, such as in MSG, soy, dairy & of course all the gluten grains. Here is my favorite link for that

http://www.msgtruth.org/avoid.htm

scroll down to the bottom of the above link & see the pictures of foods with high glutamates & then look at how much higher those foods become when they are processed & added to processed foods as "natural flavoring". Ever notice how you do not see msg much anymore on all the labels? It is hiding in natural flavoring...

There is another gluten-free board that a lady has a 14 year old son with HS. He was diagnosed with that, & then later with celiac. When he went gluten-free his HS cleared up. His doctors were shocked! ;) On that same board is a gluten-free lady in Maine who knows a lady that is also gluten-free & has HS. PM me if you wnat more details...

There is an HS forum & someone had posted on the dietary thread about gluten free helping to clear up HS but the people there will have none of it. I posted there also, but those people are in pain & not very nice...

I think one reason that it is hard for them to figure out, is that for them it is not only the gluten, but the dairy, and soy as well...Most people that are soooo sick are not going to radically change their diet. Also, they love their doctors & think their doctors have their best interest at heart... I also think that if you have HS that you should be mostly grain free on a daily basis. Add in some grains for treats & maybe corn tortillas if you can tolerate corn. But, I would not eat corn & rice on the same day... Also, I think that coconut milk & coconut oil is very healthy for you...

There is a few threads on the gluten-free boards about HS. Some people report having the odd boil but did not know what it was. The boils might appear in the groin area.

My daughter always had boils as a teenager, that had to be lanced, I often wonder if she has HS.

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GrammaMae, I posted on the other forum on the HS thread & was reading it. Would you consider getting the gene test thru Enterolab? Some of us are very curious if we can link this HS to one of the "celiac" genes.

We are looking at the DQ1 - 0501. Which has very recently been found to be part of a DQ2 gene.

If we could find a common gene it might help the people that are dying with HS, by having some info that they could take to their doctor...

Thank you for posting about HS.

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I hadn't checked for replies in a while - I've been so busy learning "how to eat"! I haven't gotten into another doctor yet either, so nothing concrete to report. Actually, I have been feeling so much better and my skin issue is so much better that I have been enjoying the break from the stress of it all. However, I think I would benefit from an "official" diagnosis, so I need to get back on that project today. I REALLY APPRECIATE the responses to my post and will look into everything mentioned. Incidently, I have already eliminated (that I know of) wheat products, soy products and MSG (by name...I will explore the link to see what else it is called) and have added coconut: oil, milk, water and flour to my diet.

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I have suffered with Hidradenitis Suppurativa for over 30 years. I have some stage 3 areas. I recently decided to go gluten free because of severe diarrhea, headaches, rashes, joint pain, fatigue and more. Much to my surprise, the HS went into complete remission after about 4 to 6 weeks of eating gluten-free. The only time this had ever happened before was when I tried the Atkins Diet twice in the past. But I didn't make the connection then.

After 6 weeks of eating gluten-free, my husband convinced me to stop eating gluten-free. He didn't like me "obsessing" over labels and questioning everything that went into my mouth. He even said maybe we shouldn't be married if I have to eat so differently. I ate a wheat roll for dinner and the next day I ate regular speghetti. You would not believe how bad the HS returned! I had 12 NEW lesions and most of the old lesions re-activated. I was in so much pain. Along with it came terrible joint pain, fatigue, headache and return of the dreaded diarrhea. It finally hit me! I discovered on my own that the HS was surely connected to eating gluten. As soon as I stopped eathing the gluten once again I felt so much better. I was able to move without pain after 2 days and most of the oozing had stopped. Now I notice that brief encounters with gluten (giving my grandson cookies, making regular dinners and lunch for my family, cleaning up the kitchen that has bread crumbs) results in a return of the itching and burning and oozing of these lesions. You would not believe how many doctors I have seen for this condition. I have been to The University of Pittsburgh Hospital, Cleveland Clinic, Western Reserve University Hosp. and a slew of dermo. docs locally. Not one ever mentioned gluten.

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I have suffered with Hidradenitis Suppurativa for over 30 years. I have some stage 3 areas. I recently decided to go gluten free because of severe diarrhea, headaches, rashes, joint pain, fatigue and more. Much to my surprise, the HS went into complete remission after about 4 to 6 weeks of eating gluten-free. The only time this had ever happened before was when I tried the Atkins Diet twice in the past. But I didn't make the connection then.

After 6 weeks of eating gluten-free, my husband convinced me to stop eating gluten-free. He didn't like me "obsessing" over labels and questioning everything that went into my mouth. He even said maybe we shouldn't be married if I have to eat so differently. I ate a wheat roll for dinner and the next day I ate regular speghetti. You would not believe how bad the HS returned! I had 12 NEW lesions and most of the old lesions re-activated. I was in so much pain. Along with it came terrible joint pain, fatigue, headache and return of the dreaded diarrhea. It finally hit me! I discovered on my own that the HS was surely connected to eating gluten. As soon as I stopped eathing the gluten once again I felt so much better. I was able to move without pain after 2 days and most of the oozing had stopped. Now I notice that brief encounters with gluten (giving my grandson cookies, making regular dinners and lunch for my family, cleaning up the kitchen that has bread crumbs) results in a return of the itching and burning and oozing of these lesions. You would not believe how many doctors I have seen for this condition. I have been to The University of Pittsburgh Hospital, Cleveland Clinic, Western Reserve University Hosp. and a slew of dermo. docs locally. Not one ever mentioned gluten.

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Thank you for taking the time to post! I am so encouraged by what you wrote. I'm happy to hear of your success! I am in the middle of a small breakout after visiting with family out of state and having less control over what I eat. I am beginning to see that even small amounts of gluten can set HS off. Please keep me posted :)

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Since going gluten-free I have suffered several episodes of the hidradenitis suppurativa flaring up for no apparent reason. So I thought. With every episode I have been able to look back at what I ate and discover the hidden gluten. Yesterday it was salami! Another time it was malt. And I stupidly ate swiss n' rye cheese without even thinking about the rye. My daughter pointed it out to me after I complained that I had no idea what was causing a new HS outbreak, diarhea, and severe headache. I now keep a daily diary of everything I eat and any symtoms. I want to be able to show my doctor accurate records so that he may be able to help other sufferers. I always was a label reader because I must also avoid MSG. I now know that I must read EVERY label and educate myself on safe and not safe foods.

I made gluten-free pumkin pie (crust) for Thanksgiving and everyone was surprised that it tasted good. My family just assumed that eating gluten free had to be miserable.

My local grocery store had a few of Bob's Red Mill gluten-free baking products, but sold out and didn't seem to be restocking any of it. I typed up a list of the gluten-free products I would buy and presented it to the manager along with a short description of celiac desease/ gluten intolorance. That very same week the shelves were stocked with almost every item I asked for!

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apoppy thank you so much for posting this. That is so wonderful that you have made the connection, to HS & gluten. I do not have HS, but I do see the connection as a friend of mine has it, but also has gluten intolerance & is on a gluten-free diet.

I forgot to check how long you have been gluten-free now, but you have to check for cross contamination, after a few weeks. & really if you can it is best to not cook gluten foods, just cook all meals gluten-free, if at all possible. You certainly do not want to cook with any wheat flour because it poofs up in the air & gets on everything & you breathe it in & it makes you sick. Be sure to replace your porous items like cast iron skillets (or treat them in the oven , I just got a new one) & teflon - stainless steel pans are better, new wooden spoons, new pasta strainer, & watch your old cook book if it is like mine it is covered in flour.

I envision the day when a diagnosis of HS will be the same result of getting a diagnosis of DH, & that would be an automatic diagnosis of celiac disease.

I hope that you will be able to convince your doctor of this new "treatment" & he spreads the word to other people with HS. Also, if you are on any HS boards, please post about your findings, I tried but I do not have HS & I was really not welcomed with my "cure". Those people are used to buying & trying everything that comes down the pike. They just cannot think that the everyday food that they are eating is killing them.

Please PM me if you need any recipes or any help with the diet. Although, I pretty much eat grain free whole foods. Not much processed stuff in my kitchen.

I have found that a combination of sorghum flour, tapioca flour, & potato starch makes an excellent baked product. Be careful with Bob's Red Mill stuff, I cannot eat his stuff, just a little too much cross contamination. I also cannot eat the gluten free Mary's Gone Crackers. So be careful about things that you think are gluten-free but might have some CC issues. I am very very sensitive & can tell within 20 minutes if I have gotten glutened. I am a good "canary in the gluten mine".

I do recommend the Enjoy Life chocolate chips, no gluten, no soy & no dairy.

This is indeed a Great Thanksgiving. Thank you so much for the post. & congratulations to you for discovering your way to good health.

P.S. yes, don't let anyone tell you to eat gluten ever again. I do not know your husband, but sometimes a spouse gets used to a certain routine & worries when a change occurs, even for the better. For some of us when we went gluten free it changed our personalities a lot, for the better. & heck, we just feel so darn good, energetic & healthy, we drive most people nuts! I got badly glutened at one of my regular restaurants a month or so ago, & I thought oh, this is what most people feel like all the time. it was an amazing realization.

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I have suffered with Hidradenitis Suppurativa for over 30 years. I have some stage 3 areas. I recently decided to go gluten free because of severe diarrhea, headaches, rashes, joint pain, fatigue and more. Much to my surprise, the HS went into complete remission after about 4 to 6 weeks of eating gluten-free. The only time this had ever happened before was when I tried the Atkins Diet twice in the past. But I didn't make the connection then.

After 6 weeks of eating gluten-free, my husband convinced me to stop eating gluten-free. He didn't like me "obsessing" over labels and questioning everything that went into my mouth. He even said maybe we shouldn't be married if I have to eat so differently. I ate a wheat roll for dinner and the next day I ate regular speghetti. You would not believe how bad the HS returned! I had 12 NEW lesions and most of the old lesions re-activated. I was in so much pain. Along with it came terrible joint pain, fatigue, headache and return of the dreaded diarrhea. It finally hit me! I discovered on my own that the HS was surely connected to eating gluten. As soon as I stopped eathing the gluten once again I felt so much better. I was able to move without pain after 2 days and most of the oozing had stopped. Now I notice that brief encounters with gluten (giving my grandson cookies, making regular dinners and lunch for my family, cleaning up the kitchen that has bread crumbs) results in a return of the itching and burning and oozing of these lesions. You would not believe how many doctors I have seen for this condition. I have been to The University of Pittsburgh Hospital, Cleveland Clinic, Western Reserve University Hosp. and a slew of dermo. docs locally. Not one ever mentioned gluten.

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Hello I am 46 year old female who has suffered from boils as long as i can remember! Going from one Dr. to another only for them to give me more atibiotics and send me home. I have had some Dr.s not even look at them just write a perscription. One day about 3 years ago I was looking up boils on the pc and after several pages of reading I found a link to HS. When I opened the link and saw the pictures I all most collapsed as that is what I have had for so many years with no Diagnosis from any one including a Dermatolagist. So I have suffered greatly over the years. Including 3 times boils in my throat that were very dangerous. Since I was about 17 I have had what I thought was ibs being taken to the hospital several times over the years with excrusiating pains in my stoumach. I am home sick now and have been in and out of the hospital all tests coming back negative. I swear i have them in my intestines but the tests dont show them.

NOW!! my sister who is very concerned for me told me to look up Celiac as she has been diagnosed with it. So I did I had some of the symtoms but it says peoples sytems are different so I wasnt sure if that was the connection untill.. i googled celiac/hs then BOOM it all came together I have been allergic to gluten my whole life and no Doctor caught it in 46 years and with all my symtems. I was trying to eat pretzels and soda crackers to settle my stoumach what a mistake. All Gluten!

I am a cook and feed 100 seniors everyday working with many many ingredients containing gluten no wonder I am so sick and never got boils with my last 2 periods which ALLWAYS happens to me they were in my stoumach. I am sitting here very emotional its like finding something you have been looking for your whole life. I am so glad i never let them cut me up or remove my belly button like they suggested.

I love the internet for giving me the power to find answers for myself as there is a reason they call it a practice as they are all practicing and try to get it right but many times doing the opposite. I have a drawer full of different perscriptions for many different things they thought it was for if i took them all I would be dead! Thank- you so very very much for this information and now I am going today to see my new Doctor for a celiac test. I have sworn off of all gluten and will hope and pray a good mask will help on my job as I love my job and couldnt imagine not cooking just my luck I guess being deadly allergic to the thing you love the most and your lively hood it sucks. But at least i think I am finally on the right track for the first time in 46 years

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I think I missed this thread the first time through. I think my daughter may be dealing with this. I never connected her problem with gluten, although I do believe she needs to be gluten free.

Are you going to get tested for this? What are the tests?

Feel free to email me: darlindeb25@aol.com

Thank you, Deb

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I had never heard of HS untill I just read these posts. I don't have this, but just want to tell you all that it does sound bad and I hope you all find relief. If you are new to the gluten free diet, thier is a wealth of knowledge on this forum. Feel free to ask away. Hope you all overcome what sounds like a very painfull condition.

Susan

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I'm new here & also have HS. I've suspected that I have a gluten intolerance or allergy for quite some time, even though I tested negative a little over a year ago. I specifically went gluten free in hopes to "cure" my HS, or at the very least, keep it under control.

I'm only 10 days 100% gluten free, and I can already say I feel SO MUCH better. I'm also amazed at how my taste buds have already "opened up" and almost everything tastes so much better. I feel like I've stepped into a whole new world, and it's really help me battle a small bout of depression I was going through, as well.

Thanks to everyone who has made comments, and who I know will help in the future.

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So very grateful for this thread! My 29 yr old daughter has suffered for years and this IS the year we get help!

Only problem? It won't be from a doc. She also has suffered at the hands of STUPID doctors who act like God and

know nothing about Celiac or HS. Because we have been on top of it has not gotten to this extreme. Today I

will buy Dial, clean the shower/tub with bleach every time she showers, wash everything in hot water with Borax,

bleach for whites, makes sure the toilet seat gets wiped something every single time. Sure, it sounds like a big

hassle but she is sick of this! Right now she is drinking ACV, she gave me a taste last night, I almost fell over!

Is it OK to drink that stuff that strong? I bet she had 1/2 cup in 12ozs of water?? Wow. THAT'S how I know this is

the year! She really wants help and asked me to write about her problem.

Last- anyone ever heard of Terrasil? The reviews are good.....smile. AH, something else to try.

Thanks, Alice

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So very grateful for this thread! My 29 yr old daughter has suffered for years and this IS the year we get help!

Only problem? It won't be from a doc. She also has suffered at the hands of STUPID doctors who act like God and

know nothing about Celiac or HS. Because we have been on top of it has not gotten to this extreme. Today I

will buy Dial, clean the shower/tub with bleach every time she showers, wash everything in hot water with Borax,

bleach for whites, makes sure the toilet seat gets wiped something every single time. Sure, it sounds like a big

hassle but she is sick of this! Right now she is drinking ACV, she gave me a taste last night, I almost fell over!

Is it OK to drink that stuff that strong? I bet she had 1/2 cup in 12ozs of water?? Wow. THAT'S how I know this is

the year! She really wants help and asked me to write about her problem.

Last- anyone ever heard of Terrasil? The reviews are good.....smile. AH, something else to try.

Thanks, Alice

I see this is an old thread but a new poster, so, hi!

I have HS as well, but have not been gluten-free long enough to see if it will help. However, I did gluten myself a couple days ago as a test and found that the next day all my cysts started hurting - they didn't actually flare up, but I was worried that they might. My HS has been in remission for a while, so this was an indication to me that there *is* a connection.

Disinfecting everything is unnecessary as HS is not an infectious disease. More doctors are beginning to see it now as an inflammatory problem. With regard to the ACV, I have read that you should not drink it that strong. It is not necessary, and the high acidity could be harmful to teeth and other things. Dilute a tsp or Tb in 8oz of water - that's what I was told. You can also take a bath in it; 1/2 C for a full bath of water. I haven't heard of Terrasil.

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I know this forum is years old but I ran across it searching google to see if anyone else had experienced HS clearing after going gluten free.  I am so emotional right now reading all the posts on this topic.  I went gluten free a little over a week ago and although my HS has drastically improved...I'm not totally convinced because I am still having some breakouts.  Reading one of the posts that stated within 4 to 6 weeks, all the HS went away has convinced me to continue with the diet.  Only problem is since I went gluten free, my facial acne has increased substantially.  I am assuming this will clear up as my body re-adjusts to the new eating habits but I wanted to know if anyone else had the same problem.  Also I can't sleep to save my life.  It takes forever to fall asleep and then I only sleep for a few hours at a time.  Being a single mother of a toddler and having sleep apnea on top of it...this is no good for me.  I am hoping all of these clear up with time..I have had HS since I was 9 yrs old ( I am 26 now) and it has debilitated my confidence, health, and sex life.  I am still very hopeful this will all end after being gluten free for a substantial length of time but I am still slightly doubtful...has anyone else experienced any of the things I have mentioned?  If so please share with me...thank you all. 

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A book came out last year about HS and treating it as an autoimmune disease. I think people have had great luck using diet to help control HS, as outlined in the book. I haven't read this book myself since I don't have HS.

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Plague-Overcoming-Hidradenitis-Suppurativa/dp/1939563011/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1413120368&sr=1-1&keywords=the+hidden+plague

Another FANTASTIC book about treating autoimmune diseases with diet is The Paleo Approach by Sarah Ballantyne, thepaleomom.com.

http://www.amazon.com/Paleo-Approach-Reverse-Autoimmune-Disease/dp/1936608391/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1413120806&sr=1-1&keywords=the+paleo+approach

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A book came out last year about HS and treating it as an autoimmune disease. I think people have had great luck using diet to help control HS, as outlined in the book. I haven't read this book myself since I don't have HS.

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Plague-Overcoming-Hidradenitis-Suppurativa/dp/1939563011/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1413120368&sr=1-1&keywords=the+hidden+plague

Another FANTASTIC book about treating autoimmune diseases with diet is The Paleo Approach by Sarah Ballantyne, thepaleomom.com.

http://www.amazon.com/Paleo-Approach-Reverse-Autoimmune-Disease/dp/1936608391/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1413120806&sr=1-1&keywords=the+paleo+approach

Thank you so much I really appreciate it!  I will definitely check it out!

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Hi everyone! I realise I am 3 years after the last post but read this and after more than a year of battling with HS on my butt (started on my leg and had it a few otherplaces) I finally figured it out (so I think)!

 

I have been gluten free for more than a week now (after taking GERD medication for my whole life I only had heart burn once in this time, think it was accidental gluten on day 3) and already notice servere reductions (also did a course of antibiotics, but this has never helped in the past, simply did it because I had one so big I passed out when they popped it). 

Also got some acne in day 2 or 3 already- im gonna go on for at least 4-6 weeks to see if it helps. Any word of advice or anything like that?

hope for some responses- and know all you HS sufferes thats off gluten are doing better. 

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    • I am sorry that I was not clear.    I only mentioned  your diagnostic background, not to discredit you, but because without any lab results (other than a positive gene test), how can you be sure that gluten (shampoo containing wheat protein) was the actual culprit (not a guess) of your symptoms?  It is common for celiacs to receive follow-up antibodies to monitor their dietary compliance.  This is not perfect, but it is the only tool in the toolbox for now.   My husband has been gluten free 12 years prior to my diagnosis.  He went gluten free per the poor advice of his GP and my allergist.  So, I am not trying to discount your diagnosis at all.  I am just trying to see if other lab tests (e.g. liver tests that were elevated previously for you when you were still consuming gluten) were measured after your shampoo exposure.   I am curious because I have had issues over the last year.  I was glutened last January, had the flu, a tooth infection, a cold and a tooth extraction, three rounds of antibiotics (verified to be gluten free) within a month or so.  Like, you, I am very careful.  I have no idea as to how I was exposed.   The last time I ate out was a year ago and even then it was at at 100% gluten free restaurant.   My hubby did not have any symptoms at this time.  He is like my canary.    I went to my GI and my DGP IgA was off the charts even some three months later.   My celiac-related symptoms diminished in three months, but I struggled with autoimmune hives for six.  My GI offered to do an endoscopy in the summer.  Instead I chose to follow the Fasano diet.  I still was not feeling well.  In December, my antibodies were 80.  They were either on a decline or they were increasing again.  I opted for the endoscopy.  My biopsies revealed a healed small intestine (you could see the villi on the scope too).  But I was diagnosed with chronic gastritis and had a polyp removed.   So, all this time I thought my celiac disease was active, but it was NOT the source of my current gut issues.   Again, my apologies.  I just wanted to know how you know for SURE that hydrologized wheat protein from someone else’s shampoo and conditioner could reach your small intestine to trigger an autoimmune reaction.  Maybe, like me, Gluten was not the actual culprit.    
    • The reason I think it was the shampoo? Process of elimination. Our house is almost entirely gluten free (except for this shampoo which slipped through the cracks until I read the ingredient label). My husband has bread that he eats at lunch, but he practices something that resembles aseptic technique from the lab when he's making his sandwiches. He's been doing this for years now and I've never been glutened from within my home. The previous week I hadn't eaten out, I cooked all my food, I don't eat processed food and I never eat something from a shared facility.  Usually if I get glutened it's a single dose sort of thing and it follows a very predictable course, to the point where I can estimate when I got glutened within 24 hours of when it happened. However, this time, I was feeling achy and arthritic and moody for about a week before it got bad enough for me to recognize it as the result of gluten exposure, at which point we went searching and found the shampoo (and conditioner, which does leave more of a residue than shampoo), which he immediately stopped using. Within three days I was feeling back to normal (which is the usual course for me).  Sure, it could have been something else, but I know how sensitive I am, and, as silly as it sounds, it was the only thing that made sense. The other thing you said: You're correct, mine was not a rock solid celiac diagnosis, but I have no doubt that gluten is the problem. I was SICK. I went through two different gluten challenges in an effort to get a more straightforward diagnosis during which I was a barely functioning human being. Consuming gluten may not have given me blunted villi or elevated antibodies, but it did inflame my gut, and actually started to damage my liver. If you look at my diagnosis thread, I had elevated liver enzymes, which have been correlated with celiac disease in the past. There was no alternative explanation for the liver enzymes, he checked EVERYTHING.  I too am a scientist and I have spent a lot of time with the literature trying to make sense of my condition.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26150087 I also have no doubt that gluten was damaging my intestines in some way, as any prolonged gluten exposure in the past has inevitably been followed by a severe FODMAP intolerance that goes away once I've eliminated the gluten and given myself a month or so to heal.  I also had a very fast diagnosis following the onset of symptoms (~1 year) so it's possible that the disease never had a chance to manifest as full celiac. I wasn't willing to eat gluten long enough to find out. As a result of my diagnosis, hazy as it was, I am *meticulously* gluten free. It is not a fad for me. I don't occasionally cheat. It is my life, for better or worse. All of that being said, I'm not sure what my diagnosis has to do with your question. You say you're not trying to be rude, but when you bring up my diagnosis in a thread that has nothing to do with diagnostics, it seems like you're trying to undermine the validity of my disease or the validity of my input in this forum. If I'm being hypersensitive, I apologize, but that's how you came across on my end. I'll admit that the fact that my diagnosis wasn't more straight forward does make me a bit defensive, but I promise that even if I didn't have a solid diagnosis, I interact with the world as though I did, and I'm not out there giving people the wrong idea about celiac disease by not taking it seriously. If there was a connection between your question and my diagnostics that I missed I would appreciate you giving me the chance to better understand what you were asking. 
    • I am just curious.  As a scientist (and I am not trying to be rude), how can you determine if hydrologized wheat protein from your husband’s shampoo was actually the culprit?  If I recall at your diagnosis, you were seronegative, Marsh Stage I, gene positive,  but your doctor still  suspected celiac disease.  You improved on a gluten diet.  Other than observation, how do you really know?  Could it not be something else that triggered your symptoms?   I firmly believe that even trace amounts of gluten (under 20 ppm), can impact sensitive celiacs.  But traces of a protein within a shampoo from someone else’s hair that was rinsed?    
    • I also can't have dairy but through a series of experiments and a lot of research I think I've pinpointed my problem. It may or may not be the same for you, but I thought I'd share.  There are two kinds of beta-casein protein A1 and A2. We'll call A1 "bad casein" and A2 "good casein". The two proteins differ only in a single amino acid, but this is enough to make it so that they are processed differently in your guy. Bad casein is actually broken down into a casomorphin, which is an opioid peptide. That does not mean that milk gets you high, or is as addictive as heroin, or anything like that, it just means that it can interact with opioid receptors (which the gut has a bunch of). It's worth noting that opioids cause constipation due to their interaction with the opioid receptors in the gut, and that a lot of people feel like cheese and dairy slow things down, but any connection between the two is pure speculation on my part at this point.  Now here's where things get weird. The vast majority of milk cows in the western world are derived from Holstein-like breeds, meaning black and white cows. In a few select places, you'll see farms that use Jersey-type cows, or brown cows (Jersey cows produce less milk than Holsteins, but many connoisseurs feel it's a higher quality milk, particularly for cheese).  Holstein-like cows have A1 and A2 casein (bad and good), however, Jersey-type cows only have A2 (good casein), unless their genetic line involved a Holstein somewhere in the past, which does happen.  A company in New Zealand figured out how to test their cows for these two genes, and selected their herd down to cows that specifically produce ONLY A2 (good) casein. You might have seen it in the store, it's called A2 milk. Some people have had a lot of luck with this milk, though it still doesn't solve the problem of cheese.  I have suspected, due to trial and error and a few accidental exposures, that I have a problem with A1 casein, but not A2. In line with this: I am able to eat sheep and goat dairy without any difficulty, so at least I can still enjoy those cheeses! I am also fortunate because I'm apparently not too sensitive, as I can still eat cow-milk butter. The process of making butter removes *most* (read: enough for me) of the casein.  However, if I eat cow cheese or a baked good with milk, I get really sick. It's a much faster reaction than if I get glutened. Within minutes I'm dizzy and tired and my limbs are heavy. I have to sleep for a couple of hours, and then, over the next couple of days, I'm vulnerable to moodiness and muscles spasms and stomach upset just as though I'd been glutened (though the brain fog isn't as bad). I actually haven't tried A2 milk yet, mostly due to lack of availability (and motivation, I don't miss milk, I miss CHEESE). However, last year, when I was getting ready to go on a trip to Italy, I had a thought. Once, in the recent past, when I'd been testing dairy, I'd had a slice of parmesan cheese. Miracle of miracles, I was fine. I didn't feel a thing! I was so excited that I ran out and got some brie to eat as a snack. That did not go so well... Turns out parmigiano reggiano is made from the milk of the Reggiana variety of cow which is, you guessed it, a brown cow (they say red). I did a little more research and found that dairies in Italy predominantly use brown cows. So I decided to try something. As some of you may know, Italy is something of a haven for celiacs. It's one of the most gluten-free friendly places I've ever been. You can say "senza glutine" in the smallest little town and they don't even bat their eyelashes. You can buy gluten free foods in the pharmacy because they're considered a MEDICAL NECESSITY. If travelling-while-celiac freaks you out, go to Italy. Check out the website for the AIC (Italy's Celiac society), find some accredited restaurants, and GO NUTS. While I was there, I decided to see if I could eat the dairy. I could.  Friends, I ate gelato Every. Single. Night. after that. It was amazing. Between the dairy being safe for me and the preponderance of gluten free options, it was almost like I didn't have dietary restrictions. It was heaven. I want to go back and never leave.  So that's my story. Almost too crazy to believe.  TL;DR: Black and white cows make me sick, brown cows are my friends.
    • I'm a scientist, and I did a little research into the study. Looks valid and it was published in a respected journal.  http://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(17)36352-7/pdf The science looks solid. As someone who didn't have a super clean cut diagnosis before going gluten free, I'd love to see something like this become available. Then again, there's no doubt in my mind that I can't have gluten, so any additional testing would be purely academic. But like I said, I'm a scientist. I can't help myself. 
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