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  1. I don't have any specific advice. Just sorry you're going through this. Have you discussed your worries with your doctor in detail? He may not realize how serious your concerns are. If the doctor doesn't have any ideas on how to make this surgery workable, you might want to get a second opinion just to see if maybe another doctor might be able to figure out a way for you to have this surgery without worrying about everything else on top of it. There has to be something they can do for you.


  2. Just so everyone here knows, the rant I posted here yesterday was actually split off into another topic and not deleted as a couple people who PMd me thought that it had been. For anyone who wants to find it it was put in the Board/Forum Technical Help area - or follow this link - (removed by Nancy)

    Update - I PMd Scott earlier today and he PMd me letting me know that he had removed the thread containing my vent and the susequent fallout and drama. I agreed that that needed to be done because it turned into way more than I ever thought or intended. I just wanted to take the link to the new thread that was created that I put here earlier and make sure it was taken down from this post.

    I was thinking about just deleting this post, but I didn't want anyone to think that someone deleted it without my knowledge.


  3. Have you thought about changing the varietal? I started getting really bad reactions to cabernet. It was almost like a gluten reaction, but not quite. When I changed to merlot, I stopped having problems, even with the same wineries I was having problems with from the cab. I have a friend who has the opposite problem, can't drink merlot, but has no problems with cabs. If that doesn't work, maybe try changing from red to white or vice versa.

    I'm not as sensitive as you are (I've read your posts in the super sensitive threads), but it's worth a shot.. :)


  4. Yea, it's probably cross contamination rather than the coffee. If you think about it, how many times before finding out about gluten did you think "I just touched some bread. I have to wash my hands before making the coffee." ;) The person behind the counter making the sandwiches and setting out the bagels is probably the same person making the coffee - touching the filter, reaching into the coffee canister, etc.

    Unless people touch something like raw meat, they don't even think about something they touched making someone sick.


  5. I'm relatively sensitive. Even though you are having possible reactions to larger amounts of gluten, I think my experience with smaller amounts might be helpful to you.

    My big PITA product category is haircare products. There are products that others seem to have no problem with that I react to. But it can take a few days (I'm guessing the gluten builds up in my system?) to really feel the effects. I have found that it's really just a matter of trial and error. All you can do is stop eating it for a while and then add it back in and keep track of any symptoms you might have. If it makes you feel bad it might be gluten or it might not. Either way, you'll know that it doesn't agree with you. If you really feel like you want to know if it has gluten, you can always do one of those test kits. ??

    You could always see if you can find a definite gluten free brand and see if you react the same. Or check the archives and see if other people have had reactions to the same brand you're having a problem with.

    As far as being not very sensitive to gluten, I really believe that it builds up. My husband refuses to get tested for celiac and doesn't believe he has a problem with gluten, although he's supportive of having a gluten free house for me and the kids. When he's off gluten he definitely feels better and has more energy. If he goes away on a business trip for more than a few days (gluten-o-rama!) he comes back feeling like crud, acting like a jerk and exhausted. So just my observations with stupidly miniscule amounts of gluten for me, and seeing how business trips effect my husband, I think it totally makes sense.

    Hope that helps.


  6. thank you for your replies! i can't believe how familiar they all sound to my own story.

    i'm still on the diagnosis road for my progressive proximal muscle weakness that started about 10 years ago. luckily i was always an avid athlete, so i had a lot of muscle to start with, like some of you. diagnosis guesses have ranged from ms to lupus to cp to md. i wasn't diagnosed with celiac, but instead ibs with gluten intolerance, so i have a hard time believing the gluten i'm eating could be wreaking this much havoc on my body if i don't have the autoimmune reaction. one neuro even thought the gluten could be causing me to slur my words, which happens when i'm extremely tired. i have other health issues, so i think i'm just one of those lucky people with more than one thing going on.

    anyway, thanks again for replying with your neuromuscular stories. i hope you're all recovering and feeling stronger!

    I also had speech slurring before I went gluten-free. It got to the point where I couldn't even read a book to my kids. This symptom showed up when I was already sure that gluten was the problem, but I was waiting for test results to see if it was classic celiac or not. Now that I'm gluten-free, I don't get that symptom unless I'm glutened really badly. Which is all kinds of fun to explain when someone calls in the middle of the afternoon and it sounds like I've been sitting around drinking margaritas since lunch, especially when you're trying to explain why gluten makes your speech slur while you have gluten brain fog. Ugh..

    I had a very hard time walking for a couple of years before I found the gluten connection to my pain. I haven't had the money to go to doctors to figure out exactly what may have been happening. I was having lingering problems up until last year when I finally started taking magnesium and the pain went away. From what I read on magnesium deficiency, it can cause muscle spasms and headaches among other things. AND they also say that malabsorption disorders "such as celiac disease" can cause magnesium deficiency. I also came across some information that sodas pull the magnesium from your body too. So with a combination of taking magnesium and cutting way back on sodas, I rarely have a problem. So for my issues, I believe I was experiencing a simple magnesium deficiency secondary to the malabsorption, not a more complex issue like gluten ataxia.

    I really think that the assumption that only classic celiac is autoimmune may be a dangerous one to your health if you're considering going gluten-light rather than gluten free. I believe that the type of celiac those of us with negative or borderline tests, but with neuro, mood or supersensitive reactions will eventually prove to be just another form of autoimmune response to gluten. Just remember that 20 years ago most of the "classic celiacs" on this board were told it was all in their head too. I think at some point they will identify different types of celiac just like they have different types of diabetes. We're just lucky enough to have put the connections together before that happens.


  7. I usually know if I've been glutened within 15 or 20 minutes too. I'm glad I saw this thread because I had been thinking about trying Wendy's. I'll stick to the butter, chives and sour cream.

    I'll keep it away from my dog though.. :lol:

    I had a dog when I was little that ate a whole chocolate Santa that was wrapped in tinfoil, with a $5 bill wrapped around it with a rubber band and wrapped in Christmas paper. There was nothing left but the bow. :lol:


  8. All of the information is so complicated and scientifically worded, I can't figure out how to tell if I have DH or not.

    First, I react to gluten that is not consumed, more than just topically, and there are conflicting claims to whether or not that is even possible. One possibility offered was "DH people react to topical gluten exposure." Here are the topical reactions I have:

    • The skin on the back of my hands is strange looking, rough, and may flake off - sometimes they break/cut when washed and the rough areas often hurt.
    • I often get very small (often red) bumps (mainly near collar bone) that are solid and may itch, don't go away unless I scratch them off.
    • Skin breaks out (acne or rash??) when I have been glutened, or touch gluten.

    • Sometimes get "cuts" that won't heal until a few days after glutening passes.
    • I have been diagnosed eczema, for generalized irritated skin, sometimes displaying clusters of small red dot (not bumps) or scratched-like irritated patches (rashes?) but eczema lotions don't help, and it's triggered by gluten. My arms/legs, ribs, hands, and chest/neck are most effected by this.

    Almost the same thing happens to my hands. Just the backs of my hands including my lower knuckles but not my fingers or thumb. The skin gets all dry and kind of lizardy or something.. And the skin on my knuckles splits (the little cuts). It's reddish and hurts like hell, but I don't remember it being itchy. Mine doesn't flake off.

    The first time I ever got this was after I went gluten-free and I had some wheat based vodka. My skin split for the first several days, then started getting better, but it took three weeks for my hands to look normal. It took a few more run-in's with wheat based vodka (because most people can tolerate it fine) before I really was convinced it was the vodka and not some other type of reaction not related to gluten. It always happened within 15 minutes of drinking the vodka and you could sit there and watch it happen. Now when we go out I get either potato vodka or Ciroc vodka (made from grapes). The funny thing is that I don't get glutened otherwise. But myhands feel like they're on fire for a week so it's not worth it at all.

    Ever since the first time I got this reaction, it has become on of the symptoms I get when I get glutened normally too. I hadn't thought of whether it was a topical reaction though. Maybe? I always thought that it had to be an ingested reaction, but next time it happens I'll have to see if it's something that might have been more likely to have just gotten ON my skin rather than ingested.

    Hmmm... Interesting..

    Hey, at least now we know there's more than one of us..



  9. You've got a few things that might be too difficult to digest. Especially since you're super sensitive and your body never seems to get a chance to fully heal. The first several months (maybe even a year or so?) after going gluten-free, there were still a lot of things that just killed my stomach. I wouldn't get a full-on gluten symptom complex with my usual neuro and mood symptoms, but I would get really bad stomach pain. It was over a year before I could eat an apple without my stomach hurting and I still can't eat too many raw veggies like carrot sticks, although I'm fine with salads. You might want to try taking out the salads, the jerky and the granola and see if that helps.


  10. I've come to expect 1-3 posts like this in every thread I start about the safety of an item.. and I post a lot of those threads. :rolleyes: It does make me think twice before posting, whether I find an item to be unsafe, or simply have a question, but in the end this is the only online community to find answers from, so I get over it. It makes me laugh to imagine someone thinks I ate hair dye.

    You are KIDDING me!!! That's ridiculous. That's so sad because most of the people here are great. But it gets exhausting dealing with the vocal minority. I agree that it's the only community to find answers. Even when I haven't been an active member, this is the place I go when I need information. But I had been limiting my time here to searching for information and then leaving for the most part.

    The thing is that I'm relatively sensitive, but I'm not as sensitive as most of the people on the supersensitive thread. I can eat most gluten free products with no problem whatsoever. But there are some specifically labeled or researched things from major mainstream food manufacturers that get me every time.

    I remember watching one of those Food Network shows where the narrator says "the lines are thoroughly cleaned between batches" (I think in this case it was for color changes in candies or something). And then they showed some guy with a hose just standing there casually spraying the equipment down like he was spraying down his driveway on a Sunday afternoon. He wasn't even trying to get into the corners or anything. (WTH!!!). So my fantasy of teams of celiacs going at the corners and seams of the equipment with toothbrushes was completely shattered.

    Actually, I posted the thread that inspired the Super Sensitives thread. It was a thread complaining about how less sensitive people on this website keep accusing the more sensitive people of practically being hypochondriacs. The SS thread is a little big and hard to read through, though.

    That's cool... I agree completely. I'm not singling out the other person on this thread at all. But I agree. And it is sooo insulting. Like I said earlier, so many celiacs were accused of the same thing for years or even decades. My husband thought I had finally lost my mind when I told him about gluten causing health problems. He told me that I needed psychiatric help because I was obviously doing for attention. Six months later he made a special trip to a store to buy me gluten free stuff for Valentine's Day. :wub:

    And this isn't a rare story around here. There are people whose lives have changed by going gluten-free years ago and their friends and family still think they've lost their nut.

    So people come online to try to find some support or just be around people who have to deal with gluten-free, and they get attacked for being more sensitive??? You'd think that the super sensitive people would be the ones getting pissy with the ones who don't have to worry so much. The people who can tolerate a more varied diet should just be grateful they don't have to deal with an even more restricted diet.



  11. That's why I said "unless you swallow it". I'm not sure how you managed to swallow your hair dye. Be a bit more careful next time.

    Oh my God!! That is re-freaking-diculous. I just posted my reply before I saw this. Are you seriously going to be this rude to someone who is just saying that this product might be a problem. Obviously this is not directed at you because you don't react to topical product (and again, congratulations - still jealous too). So if this topic doesn't pertain to you, then move on.

    I used to be active on this board and I stopped coming, in small part because I didn't like the way things were heading. I was seeing a lot more back biting and I was tired of spending an increasing amount of my time here standing up for with people who were being snipped at for no reason.

    I've been lurking around again for a couple of months and I'm glad to be back to see a lot of the old faces, although I've only posted a couple times. But it makes me sick to see how common this type of snide behavior has gotten here. Usually one of the currently active experienced members steps in and says something. But I've really had enough.

    Raisin, just ignore her. There are always people like this on the playground. There are a lot of people here who have the same problems with topicals and you and I do. If you're sensitive to topicals that many people don't have a reaction to, it makes me wonder if you are especially sensitive to gluten in general. Do you feel like you're more sensitive to cc in food products too? If you are, you might want to check out the thread for Super Sensitive people if you haven't already.

    Good luck and my gosh!



  12. You absolutely can get glutened by topical products, for the reasons that raisin stated. If this wasn't possible, why would we have to worry about cross contamination at all? It's basically the same thing happening. Gluten on your hands, either from touching a piece of gluten bread, or not realizing you ran your hands through your hair before you used your hands to eat something and you're going to get glutened. Some people just react to smaller amounts than others. That's why the E.U. just passed a restriction lowering the requirements for labeling something gluten-free from 200ppm to 20ppm. That's a huge drop. But they apparently felt it was important enough to create new legislation.

    I understand that not everyone reacts to topical products, and like raisin said, good for you. I'm totally jealous. Seriously. But many people do. And anyone who has been gluten-free for a while knows what their particular gluten reaction feels like. Of course there are other things someone can be reacting to, but when someone says it's definitely a gluten reaction, I believe them. I tell people that being glutened is like getting a papercut. I've never actually SEEN paper cut my finger. But there's nothing that feels like a papercut. And that tiny little cut hurts like nothing else too.

    I'm going to stop now before I really get on a soapbox.


    I haven't tried any of the Feria products. I do have gluten reactions to the products I've tried from Neutrogena's gluten free list. I've tried three or four and I get slammed every time. So whatever trace amounts that are in there are enough to gluten me.

    Sorry you're having a reaction. For me even three years after going gluten-free, I still don't have all of my topicals figured out. I think the reason there does end up being gluten in these topical products that are supposed to be gluten-free (and the company probably absolutely believes they are) is exactly why you say. I can't imagine that L"Oreal is going through and dismantling and sterilizing their production lines every time a product is switched. Just like cross contamination occurs that way with food, it occurs that way with topicals. Gluten is gluten.

    Have you tried Garnier? I'm very sensitive and I can use Garnier. I use their hair color - Cool Tea, I think the color is called, which is a dark brown. I also use their shampoo and conditioner for colored hair. I don't have any problems and I've been using them for a couple of months. If you haven't tried Garnier, it might be worth a shot. Your mileage may vary of course.. :)


  13. My wife was diagnosed with Celiac in July 2008. Now her problem is she can`t even breath gluten, even shampoos, conditioners, colognes, and makeup has to be gluten free. I can`t even wear afthershve lotion. If she breaths it then she has ashma symptoms, so they gave her an inhaler and then that makes her sugar bottom out. She can`t go over on the deli side of the grocery store or down the bread isle or the baking isle.

    Has anyone else had trouble breathing because of gluten?

    The Gastorenterologist that did the test said to file disability because she couldn`t breath gluten . She has been denied twice and next stage is a lawyer.

    If anyone has this breathing problem please respond. jbyrd@cswnet.com

    James Byrd

    I agree that you need to look into the possibility of more issues, including true allergies, which are a different disease process than celiac.

    That being said, the products that you're talking about are products that get all over the place and can be ingested. Some people are extremely sensitive to gluten and have a reaction to virtually microscopic amounts.

    Shampoo and conditioner, for example. As much as you think it doesn't get into your mouth, really pay attention the next time you take a shower and see how much rinse water gets into your mouth. Makeup is a hard one to get away with if it contains gluten too. Think about how many times a day you touch your face. You scratch your nose,rub your eyes push your hair out of your eyes, etc. She definitely can't use lipsticks, lip balms and nail polishes that contain gluten. The gluten will absolutely get in her mouth that way.

    With these kind of products, it's not really inhaled gluten that's the problem. It's that it ends up in your hands, on your lips and then gets into your mouth because it's on your hands and your lips. Not to say that your wife may not also be reacting to inhaled gluten.

    When I first went gluten-free, I thought that I'd be able to get away with keeping my shampoo, conditioner, makeup, etc. But it just made me so sick. I was going through the day trying not to touch my face or my hair. I thought I might be doing okay until the wind kicked up all of a sudden and I ended up with hair in my mouth. Sick for three days. Lovely.

    So yes, she really does need to keep away from those type of products. Many, many of us have to.

    As far as colognes and aftershaves, that might be a allergic reaction or a super sensitive celiac reaction. But it also might be secondary to how completely sick she feels. Think about the last time you had a really awful case of the flu or a raging migraine that just doesn't seem to want to go away. Everything smells gross and really strong smells make you feel like you're going to throw up or make your head start pounding.

    I hope that helps and your wife starts feeling better. It can be really hard to figure out where your personal boundary lines are with gluten.


  14. Thank you all so much for your responses. SCOTT-FREE, I had a gene test done through enterolab(I don't know how acurate or reputable their testing is for gluten or gene testing). I can just post it here though:

    HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0302

    HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 0501

    Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 3,1 (Subtype 8,5)

    I have never heard of a different gene taking longer to heal. Do you mean that it will take longer for my body to heal from gluten, or just that related complications will take longer to resolve?

    Nantzie, thanks so much for telling me your story. That is so encouraging to me. How long after going on hormone replacement before he started feeling noticably better? Also was he ever diagnosed with celiac or did you guys just know. (I am wondering if I should go back on gluten to have a biopsy, to make sure that that is my problem. With enterolab I had a score of 51 for antigliadin IgA. less than 10 is normal. And a malabsorption score of almost 1000. less than 300 is normal. But I don't know if they are the best place for an official diagnosis).

    thanx again for all your responses

    Everybody heals on a different schedule. I think when you have additional problems such as thyroid and hormone issues in addition, it can take a while for your body to feel back to normal.

    I would say that my husband started feeling better within a couple of weeks with a noticeable difference within a month. When he would "forget" his patches for a day or two, you could tell immediately. He was exhausted just by skipping one day. It would take him three or four days of being on them consistently after a slip before he started feeling better again.

    As far as an official diagnosis, there are so many people on here without one. Some because of inconclusive mainstream testing, some because they didn't want to go back on gluten for the biopsy and some because they found out they had an issue with gluten by happenstance (like my husband). I did an informal poll here a year or so ago and the majority of people who answered the poll didn't have a formal diagnosis. I don't. My kids don't. We don't even have the celiac gene, but one of the gluten intolerance genes. Before my diagnosis, I had been virtually housebound for about two years and was well on my way to a wheelchair when I found that gluten was the answer. My bloodwork was borderline and my biopsy was negative. I stopped eating gluten a little over a month before my biopsy because I was sick of waiting (literally). I went gluten-free even though I didn't have celiac, and it changed my life.

    They (celiac researchers) say that it can take as much as eating the equivalent of 3-4 slices of whole wheat bread a day for three to four months before the damage can be seen on biopsy. Some people do go for the biopsy and some people don't.

    I always think it's a good idea to get an endoscopy and the biopsy just because you want to make sure there's nothing else going on in there. My dad died of stomach cancer, so that was the main reason my doctor and I decided to go ahead with the endoscopy even though the gluten-free diet was obviously working.

    Also, make sure stuff like shampoo, conditioner, toothpaste, lip balms etc. are gluten free. Your wife or girlfriend should check her cosmetics. Lipstick is a big one. Also nail polish. If she has gluten in her nail polish and prepares your food, it gets in your food. I glutened myself and my kids with that a few times before realizing what was happening.


  15. My husband was diagnosed with low testosterone a few years ago. It was so low that his doctor was surprised that we have two kids without needing fertility treatments. He started using daily Androderm patches and his mood, his libido and his exhaustion all improved very quickly.

    Every once in a while he would stop taking his testosterone patches, thinking he was fine, and it was always glaringly obvious within a day or so. His symptoms came back almost immediately. Not fun for either of us. He eventually stopped forgetting on purpose and got it that he really needed to use his patches every day. It made such a difference that once he accepted that it made a positive difference in his life, he kept some at work just in case he forgot in the morning.

    A couple years ago we put the whole house gluten-free when we figured out our kids needed to be on the gluten-free diet. So from that point on he has only eaten gluten if he went out to lunch.

    Then last fall we ended up with money problems AND really, really bad medical insurance. We were told that his patches would cost us over $200 a month because they didn't cover it. We barely had the $20 copay we expected, so we had no choice but to not get them. I was dreading it. Also, because of the money problems, he was coming home for lunch, not eating out at all. So he was on a 100% gluten-free diet

    The surprising thing was that when he stopped his patches he didn't get his low testosterone symptoms at all. His libido never changed. He wasn't falling asleep all the time. He wasn't irritable or angry. He was fine. If I hadn't known better, I would have assumed he was still taking the Androderm.

    It was really obvious that the gluten free diet had something more to do with things than we thought.

    About a month ago he had to go out of town for a conference and ate gluten all week. When he got home it was awful. His mood was absolutely horrible. He was exhausted and irritable. I have no idea if his libido was down or not because he was being such a jerk I didn't care. It took a couple of weeks for him to start feeling better and now about a month later he's back to his awesome husband status.

    I have no idea if going gluten-free will improve your low testosterone on it's own, or if you'd need at least some time on hormone replacement in combination with the gluten-free diet to see an improvment in the low testosterone symptoms. But I totally believe that there is a connection.

    I can understand why you'd be leery of hormone replacement, but it's worth a trial. It may not be something that you'll need to do forever. It made a huge difference in my husband's life. If we had never figured out the gluten connection for him, he would have gone back on the patches as soon as we could have afforded them.

    I hope you start feeling better soon.


  16. Nancy...I did not say everyone would still continue to have problems...I said the vast majority who test positive for gluten antibodies through Enterolab still continue to have problems despite the diet.

    I always have you in mind as being an exception since you are the only one I'm aware of on this board who got well and does not carry a Celiac gene. There may be one or two others....but the vast majority do not experience this kind of improvement.

    Just from posting on this board for 2 years I can see that most people continue to have symptoms...sometimes even worse after removing gluten.

    Okay Rachel... Forget Enterolab and the pros and cons, I've just got to say something off-topic here.

    I wasn't going to address this because I didn't want to make waves, and wanted to keep this on-topic, but this is really eating at me and I'm just going to have to say something.

    First of all, I really respect and admire how you and so many other people in the OMG thread do so much to help people "when the gluten-free diet isn't enough", as the thread's subtitle says. All of the awareness that is brought to the board about Lyme and thyroid and Crohn's and other food and chemical intolerances is incredible. You give hope, encouragement and new paths to people who don't fit into the celiac box. So many people find answers just because you're here.

    Please, have some respect for other people who also don't fit into the celiac box, and those that are trying to help them, even if it's regarding something you don't agree with. Inferring that non-celiac gluten intolerance isn't to be taken as seriously as celiac can have life-long consequences for people who might be thisfriggingclose to finding an answer.

    And come on, I am absolutely not the only person here, or an anomaly of only two or three, who had significant and life-changing improvement on the gluten-free diet. Saying that is so uninformed. Even my own little GI doctor told me that he has 3 or 4 patients who do not have celiac, but whose symptoms completely went away on the gluten-free diet. My regular doctor, the last time I saw her six months ago said that she had 7 people who had normal blood tests and normal biopsies who had immediate and dramatic improvement on the gluten-free diet. That's one set of doctors in one town.

    Just because someone doesn't have one of the two celiac genes doesn't mean they don't have an autoimmune response to gluten. Researchers know that they haven't identified all of the genes that are responsible for gluten issues. Let's not carve a line in rock over issues that have only been researched for about the last 10 years. It's going to be a long road of a lot of research before we find all the answers to any of this.

    You wouldn't stand for someone inferring that Lyme shouldn't be taken seriously because you KNOW from personal experience how very serious it is. And I'm not going to stand for people inferring that gluten intolerance isn't to be taken just as seriously as celiac or thyroid or Lyme or anything else that people are suffering with. Because I know from personal experience too.

    I would never infer to people that they shouldn't take Lyme seriously. Because I don't have it and don't know anything about it. Please give the same respect and leeway to people who have gluten intolerance and not celiac.


  17. Ditto this! You DO have someone to stand up for yourself - YOURSELF! Only you can allow them to treat you like that. Yeah, I know - easier said than done, but you can still do it. It took me years (and psych help) to learn to do it relatively well, but it's for the best.

    As for the gluten challenge - stop p%$#@#-footing about it. Give her wheat or don't. Little snipets here and there aren't making for a real experiment. The equivalent of three slices of bread a day for a month. Keep notes the whole time, and *expect* that the experiment will last that long, *knowing* you won't stop it prior to a week. (This is why experiments are designed before they are run. ;) )

    You're trying to do the right thing for your daughter. Keep that up! You'll come through great! :)

    You're right. I'm totally p%$#@#-footing. :ph34r: It was all I could do when I gave her that hidden 1/4 tsp not to get sick myself. It just felt SOOOO wrong.

    I made up a big batch of pancakes this time with 1/2 tsp each in them. I'm going to be a total weenie ;) for another week and give her two of those a day. If she doesn't react to that, I'll break out the gluteny bread and do it the real way.

    Now that I know she won't be curled up in a ball crying or having nightmares off of a tiny amount, I feel way more comfortable with doing the challenge. It took me a long time to even do it just because I couldn't stand the thought of her feeling like that again.

    I'm so much better at standing up for myself than I ever used to be. Life has kicked my butt a fair bit, but it also made me very strong. I just hate having to deal with it on my own. I can deal with it, but it just wears me out sometimes.


  18. I think the thing I'm trying to get at is that the benefits of testing through Enterolab should not be under-stated any more than they should be over-stated.

    The Enterolab stool test tells you if your body is having a reaction to gluten. Just because there may be more than one possible reason for that reaction doesn't mean the test is any less useful.

    I hate to see people, who are trying the diet just in case in helps, have no improvement after a month and don't know if the problem is that they're not doing the diet 100% yet, or if they're chasing another rainbow that will lead to even more disappointment.

    I think spending $100 on the gluten stool test is well worth it. It can save someone even more money in the long run. Either by saving money on gluten-free foods, saving money by not having to throw/give away gluteny foods or personal care products, saving money on co-pays, saving money on medications and supplements, etc.

    Enterolab can put something in their hands that can help them make a decision on whether they need to give it more time, or whether they should move on to other possibilities.


  19. My improvement was immediate and has not declined. All my symptoms went away like somebody flipped a switch.

    I had the initial dairy problems for a couple months, some soy issues that came and went within a few weeks. That's it.

    Any problem that I have had I've been able to trace directly back to gluten, although sometimes with quite a bit of detective work.

    As far as I'm concerned, for the last year and a half, the gluten-free diet has been a "cure".


  20. I think that Enterolab fills a need for a lot of people who have run out of options.

    If you have biopsy-positive, or even blood positive celiac, all that it took for you to get an answer was those tests. Mind you, it probably took years or even decades. But you've got a solid, concrete answer.

    But there are so many of us here who don't have any of that. If we stopped at the biopsy results, we'd still be sick with GI symptoms, or have mobility issues (it got to the point where I could barely walk because of nerve pain and I couldn't even take my kids out in my own backyard), or other gluten-related problems.

    So many of us who don't fall into the classic celiac diagnosis box go through Enterolab just to see if it's possible that gluten may be an issue.

    Yes the gluten-free diet really is the only way to know if you're reacting to gluten. But honestly, if you were anything like me, you had tried every pill and potion there was in existence. Most of which helped with most symptoms, but not all, or made everything go away, for a few months.

    I just needed to know I was barking up the right tree and this wouldn't be yet another disappointment. I didn't want to talk myself into something just because I wanted it to be true because I wanted so badly to not be trapped in the body that I was in anymore. I didn't want my desperation to lead me down another bad trail. I was just too exhausted. I couldn't take it anymore.

    All I did through Enterolab for myself was the gene test. After I got my test results, someone here told me that DQ1 had more of the neuro/mood/pain symptoms than classic celiac and that I might notice a lot of things go away if I went gluten-free. Truer words have never been spoken. And I thank God every single day for giving me my life back.

    So if you have classic celiac, you've got your answer. You've got a blood or biopsy result in black and white. But the rest of us don't have that luxury. All we can do is play detective. Enterolab is just helps answer one piece of a very lonely, very dark, very scary puzzle.