Bananas, Lectins, DH, and pregnancy--what???

[selectivefocus]

A long rant.

I am 20 weeks pregnant. This is my first true Celiac pregnancy. My last baby I was "mostly" gluten free--but at this point with her I could eat all the things that gave me trouble not pregnant, like bananas and sweet bell peppers and milk. I was still cheating occasionally like an idiot back in 2018 so my immune system was still focused on the gluten monster probably. 

I get DH. I know all about the iodine correlation. So why the hell are bananas triggering itchy bumps that seem exactly like DH? The most information on this that I have found has to do with lectin proteins. I don't do well with lectins in general. Can someone explain this?

I have been very strictly gluten free for 3 years. I don't eat out. My entire house is gluten-free because all of my kids are Celiac.

I seem to be sensitive under 20ppm so unless it's certified, I can't eat it. Last time I reacted was to Ore Ida tater tots. The stiff neck and 3 day migraine were not worth some tots. My 11 year old got a headache and some belly pain but otherwise enjoyed them.

All of my food allergies/intolerances are worse this pregnancy. My body has just freaked out.  I expected the opposite. Quite frankly, eating sucks. Like I'm really struggling with finding foods that will help me grow this baby. I was doing well with shepherds pie, until my body decided corn was a problem. My food allergy symptoms have gotten so much worse and it's crazy to me. Eggs, beef, almost all dairy, soy in excess (more than once a month), salicylates--most fruits and veggies are just not feasible. I can tolerate canned peaches and pineapple and occasionally some tomato. Fresh garden cucumbers, which I have been looking forward to all summer, mess my sinuses up almost instantly and make me feel terrible. Eating is such a chore. 

 

[Nick Cheruka]

6 hours ago, selectivefocus said:

A long rant.

I am 20 weeks pregnant. This is my first true Celiac pregnancy. My last baby I was "mostly" gluten free--but at this point with her I could eat all the things that gave me trouble not pregnant, like bananas and sweet bell peppers and milk. I was still cheating occasionally like an idiot back in 2018 so my immune system was still focused on the gluten monster probably. 

I get DH. I know all about the iodine correlation. So why the hell are bananas triggering itchy bumps that seem exactly like DH? The most information on this that I have found has to do with lectin proteins. I don't do well with lectins in general. Can someone explain this?

I have been very strictly gluten free for 3 years. I don't eat out. My entire house is gluten-free because all of my kids are Celiac.

I seem to be sensitive under 20ppm so unless it's certified, I can't eat it. Last time I reacted was to Ore Ida tater tots. The stiff neck and 3 day migraine were not worth some tots. My 11 year old got a headache and some belly pain but otherwise enjoyed them.

All of my food allergies/intolerances are worse this pregnancy. My body has just freaked out.  I expected the opposite. Quite frankly, eating sucks. Like I'm really struggling with finding foods that will help me grow this baby. I was doing well with shepherds pie, until my body decided corn was a problem. My food allergy symptoms have gotten so much worse and it's crazy to me. Eggs, beef, almost all dairy, soy in excess (more than once a month), salicylates--most fruits and veggies are just not feasible. I can tolerate canned peaches and pineapple and occasionally some tomato. Fresh garden cucumbers, which I have been looking forward to all summer, mess my sinuses up almost instantly and make me feel terrible. Eating is such a chore. 

 

Sorry to hear your lifestyle with Celiacs is very similar to mine in the sense eating has gone from a pleasure to like you somewhat of a chore! I to have the same reactions to many foods other than Gluten! Celiac for over 20yrs gluten free the same! I do not eat dairy of any kind, I have eliminated so many comfort foods I eat now just because I have to not so much of a pleasure anymore although my wife does an Incredible job making everything gluten-free and tastes amazing! I’m not only on a Gluten Diet/Lifestyle but also on a low fodmap diet and low glycemic diet as well! Gluten, Dairy, Red Meat, Corn, Garlic, Onion, most vegetables and most fruits all removed from being able to eat without some sort of reaction or inflammation! I can tolerate very few foods as well! I’ve cut my wide range of foods down that I can not tolerate over the last 20yrs by trial and error and I to only eat at home! The can I eat this lets wait and see is not fun when you may be sick and inflamed for 2-5days, like you said once that happens it is not worth eating again no matter how good it might have tasted! I have narrowed my meals to mostly chicken and rice and chicken and potatoes! I also use a plant based pea protein shake with 9 essential amino acids and multi-vitamins and minerals with 30-35grams of protein! That helps with energy and hunger between meals! I just wanted you to know your not alone! Up until I was 35 which I’m now 53 I could eat whatever I wanted and as much as I wanted without any obvious issues until Celiacs decided to rear it’s ugly head like any of us needed that to in life! I’ve also been diagnosed with IBS which is why I am on the low fodmap diet and it’s helped immensely! I have also been diagnosed with Barrett’s Esophagus! I don’t agree with the FDA’s 22ppm is considered Gluten Free, to who? If I eat anything not certified as well or that contains the so called gluten-free 22ppm I react to that as well so I don’t eat any of those FDA approved unless it contains zero ppm that to me is the only gluten-free is Zero parts per million! They need to change that in my opinion to Zero PPM if it says gluten-free it should be! Good Luck on your journey! May God Bless you and your family! The Struggle is real when your a Celiac! At least we have each other here!✝️🙏

[knitty kitty]

@selectivefocus,

Hi!  Long rants are welcome here.  We understand.  

Bananas... some people develop an allergy to Latex (rubber) and this spills over into bananas, bell peppers and cucumbers because of similar triggering proteins.  

"An increasing number of plant sources, such as avocado, banana, chestnut, kiwi, peach, tomato, potato and bell pepper, have been associated with this syndrome."

 The latex-fruit syndrome

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12440950/

And...

Cucumber anaphylaxis in a latex-sensitized patient

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21548453/

And...

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/latex-allergy

 

Food allergies and food intolerances can be helped by a Low Histamine Diet, DAO supplementation (DAO is an enzyme that our bodies makes to get rid of histamine), and supplementation with vitamins that help break down histamine like B12 Cobalamine, Folate B9, Thiamine B 1, Pyridoxine B6, and Vitamin C.  

Niacin B 3 helps Dermatitis Herpetiformis flares to calm down.  Nicotinic Acid (the flushing form of Niacin) or Niacinamide (the nonflushing form of Niacin) are very helpful in clearing the antibody deposits in the skin that cause DH outbreaks.  

Nicotinic acid therapy of dermatitis herpetiformis

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15412276/

Niacin is needed to make stomach acid.  Low stomach acid (hypochlorhydria) is connected to food allergies and intolerance.  Without sufficient stomach acid and digestive enzymes, big undigested food particles can get into the blood stream and trigger food sensitivities.  

Thiamine B1 is also needed to make and secrete digestive enzymes.  Thiamine also helps regulate Mast cells which release histamine and is seen in food sensitivity.

Thiamine B1 is also essential to successful pregnancies.  The more pregnancies a woman has had, the more likely she is to be insufficient in Thiamine. 

Thiamine supplementation to prevent induction of low birth weight by conventional therapy for gestational diabetes mellitus

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11021334/

And...

Descriptive spectrum of thiamine deficiency in pregnancy: A potentially preventable condition

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37458305/

And...

Prevalence of Thiamine Deficiency in Pregnancy and its impact on fetal outcome in an area endemic for thiamine deficiency

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10256141/

And...

Thiamine deficiency in pregnancy and lactation: implications and present perspectives

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37153911/

And...

The Relevance of Thiamine Evaluation in a Practical Setting

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7551939/

And...

Thiamine deficiency disorders: a clinical perspective

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8451766/

And...

Hiding in Plain Sight: Modern Thiamine Deficiency

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8533683/

And...

You can develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies while on a strict gluten free diet for years.  Talk to your doctor and nutritionist about supplementing with essential vitamins and minerals.  

Hope this helps!

[Nick Cheruka]

7 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

@selectivefocus,

Hi!  Long rants are welcome here.  We understand.  

Bananas... some people develop an allergy to Latex (rubber) and this spills over into bananas, bell peppers and cucumbers because of similar triggering proteins.  

"An increasing number of plant sources, such as avocado, banana, chestnut, kiwi, peach, tomato, potato and bell pepper, have been associated with this syndrome."

 The latex-fruit syndrome

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12440950/

And...

Cucumber anaphylaxis in a latex-sensitized patient

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21548453/

And...

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/latex-allergy

 

Food allergies and food intolerances can be helped by a Low Histamine Diet, DAO supplementation (DAO is an enzyme that our bodies makes to get rid of histamine), and supplementation with vitamins that help break down histamine like B12 Cobalamine, Folate B9, Thiamine B 1, Pyridoxine B6, and Vitamin C.  

Niacin B 3 helps Dermatitis Herpetiformis flares to calm down.  Nicotinic Acid (the flushing form of Niacin) or Niacinamide (the nonflushing form of Niacin) are very helpful in clearing the antibody deposits in the skin that cause DH outbreaks.  

Nicotinic acid therapy of dermatitis herpetiformis

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15412276/

Niacin is needed to make stomach acid.  Low stomach acid (hypochlorhydria) is connected to food allergies and intolerance.  Without sufficient stomach acid and digestive enzymes, big undigested food particles can get into the blood stream and trigger food sensitivities.  

Thiamine B1 is also needed to make and secrete digestive enzymes.  Thiamine also helps regulate Mast cells which release histamine and is seen in food sensitivity.

Thiamine B1 is also essential to successful pregnancies.  The more pregnancies a woman has had, the more likely she is to be insufficient in Thiamine. 

Thiamine supplementation to prevent induction of low birth weight by conventional therapy for gestational diabetes mellitus

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11021334/

And...

Descriptive spectrum of thiamine deficiency in pregnancy: A potentially preventable condition

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37458305/

And...

Prevalence of Thiamine Deficiency in Pregnancy and its impact on fetal outcome in an area endemic for thiamine deficiency

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10256141/

And...

Thiamine deficiency in pregnancy and lactation: implications and present perspectives

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37153911/

And...

The Relevance of Thiamine Evaluation in a Practical Setting

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7551939/

And...

Thiamine deficiency disorders: a clinical perspective

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8451766/

And...

Hiding in Plain Sight: Modern Thiamine Deficiency

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8533683/

And...

You can develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies while on a strict gluten free diet for years.  Talk to your doctor and nutritionist about supplementing with essential vitamins and minerals.  

Hope this helps!

Wow all I can say is this is Super Informative! Thank you! I also have the issue with latex where I seem to be allergic to! I had no idea about the proteins in it or them being similar to the proteins found in certain fruits and vegetable’s! Thank you Knitty Kitty👍