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I am 60 years old and have had knowledge of my allergy for six years. Being old, stubborn and alone, I sometimes go off the diet and dive into the deep end of gluten products. So now I have elevated liver enzymes -- not a surprise. But what is a major surprise if low levels of white and red blood cells. To add to this wonderful cornucopia of aging I had my thyroid removed about the time we discovered the Celiac. And now my TSH level is in the trash...0.019.

Anyone ever hear of celiac having this kind of effect...

Oh, the joy of aging...


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Yes celiac can affect the liver enzymes. You are not doing yourself any favors by not following the diet strictly. I realize it isn't easy, especially if you are on your own as cooking for one isn't a lot of fun. I am in that boat myself. There are quick and gluten free meals that are easy to fix. I rely on Dinty Moore Beef stew and Jimmy Dean skillet dinners more than I should myself. LOL If there is anything we can do to help make things easier for you let us know.

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I am 60 years old and have had knowledge of my allergy for six years. Being old, stubborn and alone, I sometimes go off the diet and dive into the deep end of gluten products. So now I have elevated liver enzymes -- not a surprise. But what is a major surprise if low levels of white and red blood cells. To add to this wonderful cornucopia of aging I had my thyroid removed about the time we discovered the Celiac. And now my TSH level is in the trash...0.019.

Anyone ever hear of celiac having this kind of effect...

Oh, the joy of aging...

All of your problems have a direct link to autoimmune disorders and here's why......the low white cell count is normal for anyone having any of the autoimmune disorders that exist. It can become low from having one or more disorders. My white cell count has been low my entire adult life and I am 51. Age has very little to do with any of your problems and more to do with uncontrolled celiac disease. My white cell count usually hovers around 2.8-2.9. It's only a problem if you get sick all the time. I never even catch colds anymore so don't give it a second thought.

The low red cell count means, obviously, that you are anemic. That would most likely be from ingesting gluten and the resulting damage to your small intestine. That can be reversed if you remain gluten free, which you know. The liver enzymes....ditto. Mine were elevated pre-diagnosis but are now happily in the normal range.

I have Hashi's thyroid but my thyroid is still intact. It looks to me like your thyroid (TSH) level is somewhat suppressed, which is not necessarily a bad thing. I suppressed mine for years and still do. I find it works best if I suppress it and then supplement to get my levels in the right place. Are you having symptoms of any kind? Most docs would think you were hyper-thyroid but that's not always the case with thyroid disease. I have had TSH levels of .001 and done fine, with supplementation and monitoring of T3 and T4 levels only. Those are by far the more important numbers to watch.

All of your problems are related to gluten ingestion but can be reversed with a strict gluten-free diet. Relax, if you are serious about feeling better, you can do it! You are not old, either, it's just a state of mind! ;)

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