Stomach, liver pain...need your help!

[Alexa7791]

Hi everyone !

I just subcribe but I read often. Years ago, I became intolerant to gluten and lactose after a stressful event. My doctor made me do a lab test but negative so she never refer for more.

After that, I quit all gluten and more and I healed. The thing is that when I feel better, I returned to it.

Seems that I always have those moment when I can eat it but after a while I cant.

I quit smoking 8 months ago and I am perimenopause also. But since I quit, my digestion is really mess up. And its been 3 times that I have some sort of a gastritis...like pain and spasms in stomach and also pain on right side. 

I have a few symptoms like I feel aleays tired since all the time...I fluctuate between constipation and diarrhea, gained weight, anxiety, allergies to pollen more than before, gas, and articulation pain...

I should ask my doctor for a new lab test and maybe a biopsie. But for now, how can I treat this stomach/liver pain. 

And does it.look more like intolerance or celiac to you?

Thanks 

[trents]

Welcome to the forum, Alexa.

How do you know it's your liver that is causing the pain? Are you sure it's not your gallbladder or your pancreas or maybe a peptic ulcer. There's a lot of stuff in there crammed into a relatively small area and it can be hard to tell what's what when it comes to pain.

You need to know that for weeks leading up to testing for celiac disease you need to be eating regular amounts of gluten. The Mayo Clinic guidelines for a pretest gluten challenge for serum antibody testing are the daily consumption of two slices of wheat bread or the gluten equivalent for 6-8 weeks. The Mayo guidelines for a pretest gluten challenge for the endoscopy/biopsy is the same amount of gluten for two weeks. Eliminating or cutting back on gluten before testing will invalidate the results.

You say, "I have a few symptoms like I feel always tired since all the time...I fluctuate between constipation and diarrhea, gained weight, anxiety, allergies to pollen more than before, gas, and articulation pain..." Except possibly the pollen allergy, these are classic celiac disease symptoms or maybe, NCGS (Non Celiac Gluten Sensitivity). 

Also, it sounds like you may need to get a current CBC and a CMP. "Liver pain" is not to be taken lightly. A CMP will check liver enzymes and other metabolic factors.

Edited September 13, 2022 by trents

[Alexa7791]

7 minutes ago, trents said:

Welcome to the forum, Alexa.

How do you know it's your liver that is causing the pain? Are you sure it's not your gallbladder or your pancreas or maybe a peptic ulcer. There's a lot of stuff in there crammed into a relatively small area and it can be hard to tell what's what when it comes to pain.

You need to know that for weeks leading up to testing for celiac disease you need to be eating regular amounts of gluten. The Mayo Clinic guidelines for a pretest gluten challenge for serum antibody testing are the daily consumption of two slices of wheat bread or the gluten equivalent for 6-8 weeks. The Mayo guidelines for a pretest gluten challenge for the endoscopy/biopsy is the same amount of gluten for two weeks. Eliminating or cutting back on gluten before testing will invalidate the results.

You say, "I have a few symptoms like I feel always tired since all the time...I fluctuate between constipation and diarrhea, gained weight, anxiety, allergies to pollen more than before, gas, and articulation pain..." Except possibly the pollen allergy, these are classic celiac disease symptoms or maybe, NCGS (Non Celiac Gluten Sensitivity). 

Also, it sounds like you may need to get a current CBC and a CMP. "Liver pain" is not to be taken lightly. A CMP will check liver enzymes and other metabolic factors.

Thanks for your response. 

I know I can be wrong concerning my liver but I have sort of a pain in the upper right. With nausea.

What is a CMP? 

I just hope everything to be okay and not to severe because I tend to be anxious around health.

But my digestion is definitely telling me that I consume something I shoulnt. Except when I feel better, I tend to tell myself that it cant be it.

[trents]

CMP is "Complete Metabolic Panel". CBC is "Complete Blood Count" which checks counts for different kinds of blood cells like reds, whites and platelets. CMP will check liver and pancreas enzymes, kidney function, blood sugar, cholesterol, etc.

Edited September 13, 2022 by trents

[Alexa7791]

Just now, trents said:

CMP is "Complete Metabolic Panel". CBC is "Complete Blood Count" which checks counts for different kinds of blood cells like reds, whites and platelets. CMP will check liver and pancreas enzymes, kidney function, blood sugar, etc.

Okay thank you!

But how can I feel better now. It feel like my stomach is twisting, cramping ... and if my enzymes are high, how do we heal frim that? I dont drink, dont smoke..

[trents]

About 18% of celiacs have elevated liver enzymes. I was one of those and it is what eventually led to my celiac disease diagnosis. Within three months of going gluten free those enzymes were back into the normal range. If elevated liver enzymes go on too long, however, it can lead to irreversible liver disease. I'm not trying to scare you but before you can find healing and pain relief, you need to find out what's causing it. If you eliminate gluten now, your celiac testing will be invalidated. The first thing you need to do is get some medical tests run, including either celiac antibody testing or an endoscopy with biopsy. I have no advice for you other than that. Call the doctor's office and make an appointment and insist on getting tested for celiac disease - and don't go off gluten yet.

[Alexa7791]

On 9/12/2022 at 9:13 PM, trents said:

About 18% of celiacs have elevated liver enzymes. I was one of those and it is what eventually led to my celiac disease diagnosis. Within three months of going gluten free those enzymes were back into the normal range. If elevated liver enzymes go on too long, however, it can lead to irreversible liver disease. I'm not trying to scare you but before you can find healing and pain relief, you need to find out what's causing it. If you eliminate gluten now, your celiac testing will be invalidated. The first thing you need to do is get some medical tests run, including either celiac antibody testing or an endoscopy with biopsy. I have no advice for you other than that. Call the doctor's office and make an appointment and insist on getting tested for celiac disease - and don't go off gluten yet.

Hi!

Yesterday, i went to the ER cause of the pain. They thought I might have a liver issue or stomach or pancraetist. Did ans ultrasound ans some bloodtest. My liver and pancreas are fine but my stomach is inflamed and irritated. They gave me some medicines for acidity and pain.

Today I still have pain and cramping, and also very bloated.

Can gluten cause some gastritis or stomach inflammation ? Or isnt that relate at all.

Thanks