Skinesa

[BoiseNic]

Anyone try this? No matter what the brand, probiotics have ALWAYS made me break out bad. I am hesitant to try this simply for that fact, but I ordered a 3 month supply. Any input would be appreciated. Wish me luck.

[knitty kitty]

@BoiseNic

Have you tried the Autoimmune Protocol Diet?  This Paleo diet cuts out most everything except meat, veggies and some fruits.  By cutting out all the carbohydrates, especially processed ones, the carbohydrate loving bacteria and fungi like Candida get starved out and die off.  After that, taking probiotics to help repopulate the gut is beneficial.  The new strains of bacteria don't have to fight the established unhealthy yeasts and bad bacteria which causes a rise in histamine levels which can make one feel sick.  

Certain vitamins help keep bad bacteria and fungi at bay.  Thiamine is one.  Antibiotics can deplete Thiamine stores.  The Gluten free diet can be low in Thiamine and the other vitamins and minerals needed for healthy skin and digestive tract.  Vitamin C, Vitamin D, zinc, and Niacin B 3 are important to skin health.  Niacin is especially helpful in Dermatitis Herpetiformis.  I like the kind that flushes (Nicotinic Acid - not the same as nicotine in cigarettes).  The flushing gets less and less the longer it's taken, but Niacinamide which doesn't cause flushing can be taken instead.    

Here's an interesting article.  Compare the bacteria mentioned in the article with your Skinesa and then with the Visbiome probiotics.  

The Role of Probiotics in Skin Health and Related Gut–Skin Axis: A Review

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10385652/

Visbiome

https://www.visbiome.com/collections/all/products/visbiome-capsules

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by knitty kitty
Typo correction

[BoiseNic]

Thank you for this information and your post. I have tried just about every diet there is. I have been experimenting with diet for years and years. I am a vegan, so the diet you mentioned is not an option. Fasting always works for me. Probably because I am detoxing and not feeding candida or parasites. Meat eaters have a higher prevalence of parasites, just so you know. I have a feeling that every time I break out on probiotics it's due to some kind of war with my gut biome. I definitely need to find a system of flushing out my gut so that the probiotics don't have to fight as hard to populate.

[Scott Adams]

Does the same issue happen if you eat a vegan yogurt, kimchee, pickles, etc? Those might be better ways for you to get your probiotics.

[knitty kitty]

The AIP diet does have a vegetarian version.  

Dr. Sarah Ballantyne developed the AIP diet for herself and her children, all Celiacs.  The AIP diet has been shown in scientific studies to promote intestinal healing.  You might visit her website.  https://www.thepaleomom.com/ 

[BoiseNic]

Yes it happens if I eat yogurt to.

[knitty kitty]

Many probiotics start with growing the bacteria on a dairy substrate leaving traces of dairy in the probiotics.  

Many Celiacs react to dairy in the same way as they react to gluten because certain protein chains in dairy resemble gluten protein chains.  

@Wheatwacked ferments his own pickles.  Perhaps he can chime in.

[BoiseNic]

Agreed. Dairy is just as bad as gluten for me.

[Wheatwacked]

On 11/29/2024 at 4:51 PM, BoiseNic said:

probiotics have ALWAYS made me break out bad.

In what way?

Skinese:  You paid for it, might as well try.  They are the usual mix and is gluten free. "Free of milk/casein, eggs, fish, shellfish, tree nuts, peanuts, wheat, gluten, and soybeans. Contains no artificial colors, flavors, or preservatives."  

Are you using whole milk yogurt or the no fat yogurt.  The no fat has varius ingrediEnts to mimic fats texture but some people react to the  gums used.  

Sibo: Foods that do not contain carbohydrates or fiber do not usually cause problems. This includes meats (beef, pork, lamb, venison); poultry (chicken, turkey, duck); fish and shellfish; eggs; and butter, oils, and hard cheeses.

On 12/1/2024 at 10:14 AM, BoiseNic said:

Meat eaters have a higher prevalence of parasites

Quote

 

"The scientists analyzed samples of retail meat obtained from nearly 700 stores nationwide. More than 6,000 samples—2,000 each of pork, chicken and beef—were purchased from stores in 28 major U.S. geographic areas. Each sample weighed a minimum of 2.2 pounds, for a total of more than 14,000 pounds of meat tested.

None of the raw beef and chicken meat samples contained live T. gondii parasites, based on a controlled analysis. In raw pork from retail meat cases nationwide, the prevalence of live T. gondii parasites was estimated at a low 0.4 percent, or about four per 1,000 samples.   https://www.ars.usda.gov/news-events/news/research-news/2007/retail-meat-analyzed-for-parasites/

 

Stonyfield Whole milk yogert, I think, is the only one with lactase for lactose intolerance. 

Naturally Fermented Pickles [The Complete Guide]

For your skin health you need dietary iodine intake around 500 to 1000 micrograms a day.  I take Liquid Iodine 500 mcg a day.  It is the amount I ate daily in the 1960/s before they stopped using it in bread.  Since 1970 the daily intake of iodine has decrease 50%.  50 mcg/drop in the brand I use.  The dose used to prove Wolff-Chaikoff Effect was upwards of 11 grams The USDA lists the safe range from 125 mcg to 1000 mcg (1 gram).  Japanese say 3000 mcg is safe.  Look at tradition japanese hair, skin, and their childrens intellegence.  They must be doing something more right than us. 

 

Edited December 4, 2024 by Wheatwacked

[BoiseNic]

The study you posted was done by the USDA. Not much more needs to be said about that. It only tested for one type of parasite. There are many types of parasites that are typically only found in meat. I have tried all different kinds of dairy - whole, nonfat, skim, etc. I cannot eat any dairy, no matter what kind. I have wondered about iodine. Some people claim it makes them break out more, especially with celiac. I have been toying with my diet for decades now. I am 46 years old, and have known about celiac since my early twenties. I will keep you guys posted about the Skinesa. Usually after about a week I start breaking out on probiotics. It's been 3 days so far and everything's good. I'm on Dapsone also. I appreciate all the feedback.

[Wheatwacked]

Research indicates that a significant portion of people with dermatitis herpetiformis (dermatitis herpetiformis) can experience worsened symptoms when exposed to high levels of iodine; however, not everyone with dermatitis herpetiformis will react to iodine, and the exact percentage depends on individual sensitivity and dietary factors. 

I don't have dermatitis herpetiformis, but iodine is essential.  I would start with 1 drop of Liquid Iodine (KI + I2).  One drop is 50 mcg and evaluate.  The RDA for iodine is 150 mcg a day.  It's $8 for a 2 ounce bottle, about 1000 drops per bottle from pipingrock.com.

To me it seems logical that with no gluten coming in, eventually your skin would run out of gluten for the iodine to attack.  One of iodines functions is to break down defective cells to make room for new cells.

[BoiseNic]

Ya I used to react to iodine, but it doesn't bother me anymore after strict adherence to a gluten-free diet for many years now. I am happy to report that for the first time ever in my life, a probiotic formula is not making me break out, but actually seems to be helping. The strains in this formula have been specifically tested to help with skin issues. It is gluten and dairy free also.