Getting glutened while in ketosis

[Rita06]

Hello, 

Is there anyone who has consumed gluten while in ketosis, and if yes, with what effects? Someone is in ketosis after 36-48 hours of water fasting, or while on a ketogenic diet. 

Alternatively, has anyone water fasted after getting glutened and has it helped? 

I am reading that inflammatory cells need a lot of energy from glucose to quickly multiply and that manipulation of metabolism may decrease inflammation. I also remember someone discussing on Facebook how he was gluten sensitive but he had to consume gluten and to counteract this he fasted afterwards. 

Thank you for any replies, 

Rita

[Scott Adams]

I'm not expert on the ketogenic diet, and don't believe that anyone needs to fast for any reason except when a doctor requests it, for example before a colonoscopy, but if you are gluten sensitive, or if you have celiac disease, you should not eat gluten at all.

If you do, fasting won't reverse any of the possible negative health effects, but may help stop or slow down diarrhea, if that is a symptom of their gluten sensitivity. Many celiacs, and especially those with gluten sensitivity, don't have obvious symptoms, so your theoretical question is difficult to answer.

[trents]

I would hesitate to water fast at any time as I think there are other health risks and downsides involved with that which would offset any benefit connected with recovering from a glutening episode. Remaining properly hydrated is important to good health in many ways.

This may not be your problem but when I get a significant gluten exposure I get intractable emesis followed by diarrhea which results in dehydration. I certainly wouldn't want to water fast in that scenario. Even if this is not you, I don't think water fasting is a good idea for anyone except maybe those with CHF and other fluid retention problems.

[Rita06]

On 1/4/2022 at 7:35 PM, trents said:

I would hesitate to water fast at any time as I think there are other health risks and downsides involved with that which would offset any benefit connected with recovering from a glutening episode. Remaining properly hydrated is important to good health in many ways.

This may not be your problem but when I get a significant gluten exposure I get intractable emesis followed by diarrhea which results in dehydration. I certainly wouldn't want to water fast in that scenario. Even if this is not you, I don't think water fasting is a good idea for anyone except maybe those with CHF and other fluid retention problems.

I don't have problems with diarrhea, but probably with my thyroid. The idea is that if the body understands that bread is the only food and there is no other, it may decide to tolerate it and not treat it like a pathogen? Celiac does not seem to be a common disease in countries where people starve. 

[Scott Adams]

Unfortunately you can't starve yourself out of having celiac disease, and yes, celiac disease is also an issue in countries where people are more likely to experience food scarcity (and may even contribute to the problem of starvation in those countries due to a lack of awareness and access to health care):

 

 

[Rita06]

On 1/6/2022 at 9:10 PM, Scott Adams said:

Unfortunately you can't starve yourself out of having celiac disease, and yes, celiac disease is also an issue in countries where people are more likely to experience food scarcity (and may even contribute to the problem of starvation in those countries due to a lack of awareness and access to health care):

 

 

Delhi also has high obesity rate:https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/delhi-news/four-out-of-10-people-in-delhi-overweight-finds-survey-101637864191437.html. 

My idea is to water fast for let's say 36 hours, consume gluten in small amount, continue fasting for 24 hours. 

Repeat after several weeks with increasing amounts of gluten. 

The literature says that leaky gut increases, but autoimmunity decreases after a fast. I have mixed results with fasting causing me to better tolerate milk but get worse tolerance for eggs. So, I am perplexed. 

 

[Scott Adams]

Again I’m not sure that fasting will accomplish anything with regard to a person who has celiac disease. Also, keep in mind that celiac disease can go into remission in some people after being on a gluten-free diet for a long time. This forum has seen many people over the years who thought they were cured because they didn’t have any symptoms when they started eating gluten after being gluten-free for years, only to have their symptoms and problems come back after a certain amount of time…sometimes it can take a year or two. I believe the longest reported time period was something like 10 years before a person tested positive again for celiac disease. 

[Rita06]

On 1/8/2022 at 8:23 PM, Scott Adams said:

Again I’m not sure that fasting will accomplish anything with regard to a person who has celiac disease. Also, keep in mind that celiac disease can go into remission in some people after being on a gluten-free diet for a long time. This forum has seen many people over the years who thought they were cured because they didn’t have any symptoms when they started eating gluten after being gluten-free for years, only to have their symptoms and problems come back after a certain amount of time…sometimes it can take a year or two. I believe the longest reported time period was something like 10 years before a person tested positive again for celiac disease. 

Thank you for the info, it is much appreciated.  I did a blood test and it shows high eosinophils. Perhaps mine is eosinophilic allergy, not celiac. 

[trents]

10 minutes ago, Rita06 said:

Thank you for the info, it is much appreciated.  I did a blood test and it shows high eosinophils. Perhaps mine is eosinophilic allergy, not celiac. 

Rita, have you actually been tested for celiac disease? I mean there are blood antibody tests specifically designed for celiac disease. But you would need to have been eating regular amounts of gluten (equivalent of two slices of wheat bread daily) for 6-8 weeks before getting tested for the tests to be valid. https://celiac.org/about-celiac-disease/screening-and-diagnosis/screening/

[Wheatwacked]

In 1970 when the Biafra Relief Agency switched from buying rice to the modern wheat because of price, the babies started showing symptoms of Celiac Disease. In my opinion, at the time Norman Borlaug was honored with the Nobel Prize so the symptoms were blamed on protein deficiency (Kwashiorkor) instead of Celiac Disease (caused by wheat).

[Rita06]

On 1/12/2022 at 3:44 PM, trents said:

Rita, have you actually been tested for celiac disease? I mean there are blood antibody tests specifically designed for celiac disease. But you would need to have been eating regular amounts of gluten (equivalent of two slices of wheat bread daily) for 6-8 weeks before getting tested for the tests to be valid. https://celiac.org/about-celiac-disease/screening-and-diagnosis/screening/

I have not done blood tests, but after 2 years of gluten free diet I consumed rye sourdough bread for 2 days and I got severe bloating, flatulence, dizziness, which lasted for several weeks, gradually subsiding. So it definitely causes me problems. But I react badly to several foods, although not the same way as to gluten, so it looks different to celiac. 

[trents]

6 hours ago, Rita06 said:

I have not done blood tests, but after 2 years of gluten free diet I consumed rye sourdough bread for 2 days and I got severe bloating, flatulence, dizziness, which lasted for several weeks, gradually subsiding. So it definitely causes me problems. But I react badly to several foods, although not the same way as to gluten, so it looks different to celiac. 

You can also have NCGA (Non Celiac Gluten Sensitivity) as opposed to celiac disease. Being actually tested for celiac disease would be the only sure way to differentiate between the two. But either way, life long avoidance of gluten is the only antidote.