Horrible situation

[Wheatwacked]

Cottage cheese or farmers cheese, Daisy brand is the best. Don't get reduced fat, they add stuff. Just eat small amounts at first. Lots of water. In fact a few days of liquids only might be what you need to give your gut a break.

Watermelon. In season I eat more than a pound a day.  Watermelon, raw nutritional values

though this article is about one case, the info is educational. Also gallbladder issues (fat digestion) is dependant on enough Choline. Eggs are a great source. Try to eat 3 or more a day. The safe upper limit for choline is about two dozen eggs a day. CHOLINE - THE MOST IMPORTANT NUTRIENT OF THE BODY

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Gastroparesis and Thiamine deficiency "Energy-intensive neurons are susceptible to thiamine deficiency. In this case, the authors hypothesize that thiamine deficiency can result in gastroparesis, delayed bowel motility, and gallbladder dyskinesia. More specifically, thiamine deficiency can result in autonomic nervous failure of the gastrointestinal system. " 

 

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[Ericaagl]

5 minutes ago, Wheatwacked said:

Cottage cheese or farmers cheese, Daisy brand is the best. Don't get reduced fat, they add stuff. Just eat small amounts at first. Lots of water. In fact a few days of liquids only might be what you need to give your gut a break.

Watermelon. In season I eat more than a pound a day.  Watermelon, raw nutritional values

though this article is about one case, the info is educational. Also gallbladder issues (fat digestion) is dependant on enough Choline. Eggs are a great source. Try to eat 3 or more a day. The safe upper limit for choline is about two dozen eggs a day. CHOLINE - THE MOST IMPORTANT NUTRIENT OF THE BODY

 

Thanks for this. I’m just a little confused, because kitty just told me not to eat eggs but you are saying to eat them. How should I decide what to do?

[knitty kitty]

Yes, cut the berries, too.  They can be high in fructose.  Fructose malabsorption is a thing.  Bad bacteria in the intestines ferment the fructose with a by product of gas and bloating.

Sweet potatoes are high in fiber.  

I'm confused and concerned about the dietary information you've given.  

Liver is full of vitamins, healthy fats and minerals.  Beef, calf, pork, chicken, goose livers are options.  

Health fats are Olive Oil, flaxseed oil... fatty fish like salmon have healthy fats.

When a diet that is high in carbohydrates is eaten, more thiamine is required.  

We need fats, protein and carbohydrates.  Thiamine turns these into fuel for our bodies.  Eating a diet high in carbohydrates requires more thiamine to turn high carbohydrate loads into energy.  If thiamine is in short supply, carbohydrates are stored as fat.  This fat can be burned later as fuel.  Protein and fats are needed to build muscle.  Muscle weighs more than fat.  

If one wanted to gain weight, building muscle by eating protein and healthy fats would be the preferred way to go.

 

[Wheatwacked]

Fried eggs bother my stomach, hard boiled sometimes yes sometimes no. Scrambled with butter rarely bothers me. Lately I've taken to putting two jumbo eggs in the carrot drink I described. We're looking for ways to get you vitamins without pills. The theory that the high cholesteral in egg yolks causes high blood cholesteral is not your problem and since eggs are the primary dietary source of choline in our diets.  Liver has even more choline. deficiency can cause fatty liver and gallbladder problems. By the way I did not eat eggs for years and it did nothing to lower my high cholesteral. Now I eat two jumbo eggs a day and my cholesteral is going down. Who'd a thunk?

"Eggs are extremely high in cholesterol and saturated fat, which can clog your arteries and can lead to heart disease. Eating high-fat foods such as eggs also increases your risk of obesity." That's a myth.

 

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Mayo Clinic: Is it healthy to eat eggs every day? "Research shows that the cholesterol in eggs doesn't seem to negatively affect the human body compared to other sources of cholesterol. For example, eggs typically are eaten with other foods high in salt, saturated fat and cholesterol, such as bacon, cheese and butter. These foods are known to increase heart disease risk and should be eaten sparingly."

The real issue with cardiovascular disease is the high level of homocysteine circulating in the blood due to insufficient Choline, vitamin B6 and the combined efforts of B12 and Folate needed to methylate (detoxify and recycle) the homocysteine. Homocysteine is the toxic waste of protein metabolism.

If eggs were the problem our high cholesteral problems would have been solved 50 years ago when that myth started. Instead we are getting sicker as a population.

 

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Cleveland Clinic: Homocysteine Homocysteine is an amino acid. Vitamins B12, B6 and folate break down homocysteine to create other chemicals your body needs. High homocysteine levels may mean you have a vitamin deficiency. Without treatment, elevated homocysteine increases your risks for dementia, heart disease and stroke.

 

[Ericaagl]

4 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

@Ericaagl,

I use Life Extension brand vitamins and Seeking Health, Nuticost, Naturewise, Nature's Way, Nature's Best, Doctor's Best, Best Naturals, Ecological Formulas, Now, Thorne.  

Get vitamins that are just vitamins without herbal and vegetable  ingredients.

 

Hmm. Yet every single brand you list contains multiple ingredients. Can you name one that includes just the vitamin? 

25 minutes ago, Wheatwacked said:

Fried eggs bother my stomach, hard boiled sometimes yes sometimes no. Scrambled with butter rarely bothers me. Lately I've taken to putting two jumbo eggs in the carrot drink I described. We're looking for ways to get you vitamins without pills. The theory that the high cholesteral in egg yolks causes high blood cholesteral is not your problem and since eggs are the primary dietary source of choline in our diets.  Liver has even more choline. deficiency can cause fatty liver and gallbladder problems. By the way I did not eat eggs for years and it did nothing to lower my high cholesteral. Now I eat two jumbo eggs a day and my cholesteral is going down. Who'd a thunk?

"Eggs are extremely high in cholesterol and saturated fat, which can clog your arteries and can lead to heart disease. Eating high-fat foods such as eggs also increases your risk of obesity." That's a myth.

 

The real issue with cardiovascular disease is the high level of homocysteine circulating in the blood due to insufficient Choline, vitamin B6 and the combined efforts of B12 and Folate needed to methylate (detoxify and recycle) the homocysteine. Homocysteine is the toxic waste of protein metabolism.

If eggs were the problem our high cholesteral problems would have been solved 50 years ago when that myth started. Instead we are getting sicker as a population.

 

 

I agree with you. I'll eat eggs.

[knitty kitty]

@Ericaagl,

Thiamax. 

https://www.objectivenutrients.com/products/thiamax/

[Wheatwacked]

Mushrooms: 

The good: This food is low in Saturated Fat and Sodium, and very low in Cholesterol. It is also a good source of Dietary Fiber, Protein, Vitamin C, Folate (B9), Iron, Zinc and Manganese, and a very good source of Vitamin D, Thiamin (B1), Riboflavin (B2), Niacin (B3), Vitamin B6, Pantothenic Acid (B5), Phosphorus, Potassium, Copper and Selenium.  https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2482/2

Fermented olives. The kind made without vinegar. Flora is a good brand. 

Health Benefits of Olives "Olives have anti-inflammatory properties, which also act as a mediating factor in allergy suppression. Certain stimuli cause histamine to be released, which causes an allergic response. Olives are also anti-histamines, which reduce lung inflammation and mucus production, making breathing easier. Because the olive is mildly allergic, it's good to eat olives before the start of the allergy season to minimize adverse affects when you come into contact with allergens."

 

Try drinking ice water. The cold has a soothing effect on my gut. A 16 oz cup of ice water or two a day may help. Often I will drink my coffee black, on ice. A double espresso on ice at bedtime puts me right to sleep. On the other hand antidepressant SSRi's like Xanex make me twitch and spasm until it wears off.

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[Scott Adams]

10 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

I think you should stop eating sweet potatoes.  Sweet potatoes contain proteins that destroy Thiamine Vitamin B 1.  

Here is a study done about a dog fed sweet potatoes which developed thiamine deficiency.  

In Okinawa sweet potatoes are the primary starch, instead of white rice, and is considered one reason why Okinawans are among the longest lived people on Earth. They live longer than people in all other parts of Japan, and the main dietary difference is sweet potatoes. It would be surprising to me that they could be so unhealthy for you, given the actual longevity evidence of those who eat them daily.

[Ericaagl]

I know. I wasn’t taking that seriously. I appreciate your input. 

[knitty kitty]

1 hour ago, Scott Adams said:

In Okinawa sweet potatoes are the primary starch, instead of white rice, and is considered one reason why Okinawans are among the longest lived people on Earth. They live longer than people in all other parts of Japan, and the main dietary difference is sweet potatoes. It would be surprising to me that they could be so unhealthy for you, given the actual longevity evidence of those who eat them daily.

They also eat a diet higher in fish and seafood which contains omega threes and thiamine. 

 

[Scott Adams]

Given the limited diet available to the OP it might make sense to supplement with thiamine, rather than give them up.

[knitty kitty]

I agree.  

However the OP is adamant vitamins cause a gluten reaction due to hypersensitivity to less than 20 ppm and refuses to supplement.  

 

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Typo

[Wheatwacked]

What she needs is a "banana bag" because she is so deficient she has problems tolerating most everything by mouth. Unfortunately her doctors are refusing because they don't believe her and it is not a protocol they believe in. There is an oral solution of the traditional IV that maybe would work in leiu of the physicians reluctance to give her the IV. I will point out that in keeping with the general disbelief by the US medical industry in the need for choline for parenteral nutrition this also has none. Maybe there is a better product.

Dehydration & Vitamin Therapy Without the Needle...

[knitty kitty]

@Wheatwacked, 

I agree.  Another option is an IV Bar, a spa like place where intravenous vitamins and minerals are available, administered by a health care professional.  Usually located in more metropolitan areas.

Doctors are given little training in nutrition and vitamins and minerals.  They are trained to prescribe pharmaceuticals which cover symptoms and don't get to the root of the problem, and earn doctors money.

Vitamins are not patentable, and therefore little money can be made by doctors prescribing them.  

Celiac Disease causes malabsorption which results in malnutrition.  Addressing nutritional deficiencies is part of proper follow up care for Celiac people. 

It's really sad.  

[Wheatwacked]

Even the Merck Manual, though it mentions that malabsorbtion is a result of Celiac Disease, underplays the significance of malnutrition. It states; " Mild cases may not require supplementation, whereas severe cases may require comprehensive replacement. For adults, replacement includes oral ferrous sulfate 300 mg once to 3 times a day, oral folate 5 to 10 mg once/day, calcium supplements, and any standard multivitamin."; pretty much leaving vitamin and mineral deficiencies up the the whim and whimsy of the treating physician, while the patient continues to suffer. Once diagosed and told to eat gluten free it is no longer a medical problem.

We know that it is all about fixing the years of subclinical vitamin and mineral deficiencies that developed while doctors and patients alike stay in denial. After all, how can the "staff of life" be the cause of death? 

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[Ericaagl]

Fabulous news. I figured out the culprit. As I suspected, it was gluten. There was starch in the mouthwash I started using about a month and a half ago. I discovered it the night before last and didn't use it yesterday. For the first time since I bought it, I slept through the night. Woke up and was down four pants sizes. Four sizes in ONE DAY. It was all inflammation, not real weight. No diarrhea (typically I'm up with diarrhea all night), no stomach pain or cramping, no sweats, no tremors, no brain fog, lots of energy, great mood. The only thing I changed was the mouthwash. I knew it was gluten. I know my body very well. It's very predictable.