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Weird symptoms, possibly caused by dairy?

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I used to be vegan and gluten free but had problems with pains in my arms, exhaustion and low blood pressure so I re-introduced dairy back into my diet, just eggs and yoghurt so far. (I can't eat gluten because it gives me hives, diarrhoea, migraines and a swollen stomach).

I've noticed that since re-introducing dairy I've had a return of a few symptoms I remember getting when I used to eat dairy before, but I assumed they were gluten symptoms because I went vegan and gluten free around the same time.

The symptoms are:

- A full slightly pressurised feeling in my head

- Foggy head

- Feeling drowsy, lethargic, sluggish and unmotivated

- a fairly low level headache for three days with some migraine symptoms like everything seeming too bright

- Slightly swollen eyes

- A clicking noise behind my nose

- Stiff clicky jaw

These were some of the symptoms that lead to me originally discovering I was gluten intolerant because I was sent for various tests. 

I tried not to connect it to eating dairy again because if I can't eat dairy and gluten it really limits what I can eat and makes it harder to get the right nutrients. But now I'm thinking it probably is the cause of the above since I'm currently fully gluten free.

Does anyone else get these symptoms when eating dairy? I'll try cutting them out again with a food diary to see if they are the cause.

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My dairy intolerance resolved after I started eating homemade fermented pickles. Our bodies can make lactase, but not in sufficient quantity. The lactobacillus that you reintroduce to your gut biome picks up the slack. Note: look for salt fermented pickles, olives and sauerkrauts. Soy sauce is mostly wheat.   

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Hi all!  

It's the casein in the dairy!  Parts of the casein molecules resemble parts of the gluten molecules and the body reacts the same as when exposed to gluten.  

Read this neat-O experiment done on volunteer Celiacs.....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1810502/#!po=26.3889

Those symptoms listed sound like a histamine intolerance.  Look into Mast Cell Activation Syndrome.  Basically you release LOTS of histamine when you're exposed to your triggers.  So, you need to calm your system down and get rid of the histamine.  

Antihistamines help, you know that.  But, Vitamin B12 breaks down histamine with B6 (pyridoxine), folate, copper, and Vitamin C.  Get checked for deficiencies.  Up your vitamin dense foods. Eat more liver!  

And eating a low histamine diet for a while helps immensely.  (Eggs are a high histamine food.)

Here's an article about Histamine Intolerance....

https://igennus.com/blogs/practitioner-blog/managing-histamine-intolerance

Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO) can worsen inflammation and bloating.  Wheatwacked is correct about the pickles helping repopulate with good bacteria.  

Hope this helps!

 

 

 

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Thanks everyone. I've cut down on the diary with a view to cutting it out again probably. The full feeling in my head, swollen eyes, clicky jaw as well as blocked nose and sneezing (which I forgot to mention initially) have all calmed down since reducing it. I guess I'll just have to be a pescatarian who doesn't eat dairy by the looks of it.

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On 3/3/2020 at 11:08 PM, Ariadne100 said:

I used to be vegan and gluten free but had problems with pains in my arms, exhaustion and low blood pressure so I re-introduced dairy back into my diet, just eggs and yoghurt so far. (I can't eat gluten because it gives me hives, diarrhoea, migraines and a swollen stomach).

I've noticed that since re-introducing dairy I've had a return of a few symptoms I remember getting when I used to eat dairy before, but I assumed they were gluten symptoms because I went vegan and gluten free around the same time.

The symptoms are:

- A full slightly pressurised feeling in my head

- Foggy head

- Feeling drowsy, lethargic, sluggish and unmotivated

- a fairly low level headache for three days with some migraine symptoms like everything seeming too bright

- Slightly swollen eyes

- A clicking noise behind my nose

- Stiff clicky jaw

These were some of the symptoms that lead to me originally discovering I was gluten intolerant because I was sent for various tests. 

I tried not to connect it to eating dairy again because if I can't eat dairy and gluten it really limits what I can eat and makes it harder to get the right nutrients. But now I'm thinking it probably is the cause of the above since I'm currently fully gluten free.

Does anyone else get these symptoms when eating dairy? I'll try cutting them out again with a food diary to see if they are the cause.

It would be wise to stay away from all foods that can even 'crossreact' with gluten. My problems persisted after quetting gluten (because I replaced it with a lot of rice, potatoes, milkproducts, etc, which also caused the same problems).

You can use the graph for the foods you can start to eliminate beside gluten. 

Hope it helps!

Gluten-Cross-Reactivity-How-your-body-can-still-think-you’re-eating-gluten-even-after-giving-it-up-2-800x600.jpg

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It's me, where does that graph come from? Does it represent a personal profile of reactions/sensitivities or is it a generic tool you found somewhere?

I note that instant coffee is a mild offender. Is that in comparison to non instant coffee? If so, that strikes me as interesting.

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5 hours ago, It's me said:

It would be wise to stay away from all foods that can even 'crossreact' with gluten. My problems persisted after quetting gluten (because I replaced it with a lot of rice, potatoes, milkproducts, etc, which also caused the same problems).

You can use the graph for the foods you can start to eliminate beside gluten. 

Hope it helps!

Gluten-Cross-Reactivity-How-your-body-can-still-think-you’re-eating-gluten-even-after-giving-it-up-2-800x600.jpg

False.  Cross reactions with gluten is untrue.  Look what the celiac Disease research Center at the University of Chicago has to say:

https://www.cureceliacdisease.org/faq/whats-with-all-the-talk-about-certain-types-of-food-causing-cross-reactivity/

I am a healed celiac (repeated endoscopy) and I consume many of those foods on the chart.   Living proof.  

Now...it is possible to have individual intolerances to foods.  Like I can not tolerate Xanthan Gum, nuts, or garlic/onions.  Those foods cause GI discomfort  and can trigger my Rosacea, but do not cause small intestinal damage.  

This gluten cross-reactivity internet myth has been around a long time.  Watch out for blogs and scams from unreliable sources.  Cross-reactivity can occur with foods, but it is an allergic reaction (IgE) vs. autoimmune.  For example, if you have a banana allergy, you can be allergic to latex.  

I used to be lactose intolerant, but that resolved once I went gluten free and my villi healed.  Luckily, genetically, I am not lactose intolerant unlike a huge chunk of the world’s population.  

 

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Interestingly, intolerance is often seen in individuals with pre-existing gastrointestinal disorders such as IBD, IBS, coeliac or SIBO, conditions associated either with poor barrier function, dysregulated gut microbiota diversity (as a consequence of antibiotic use, for example) or gut-associated inflammation, all of which can negatively impact on DAO activity.  https://igennus.com/blogs/practitioner-blog/managing-histamine-intolerance

 

47 minutes ago, cyclinglady said:

I am a healed celiac (repeated endoscopy) and I consume many of those foods on the chart.   Living proof.

Ariadne100 your symptoms are not weird, just side effects of the damage done by a diet that includes wheat. As you heal you'll likely be able to reintroduce those foods. In the meantime ensure you are getting a minimum 100% or more of all the essential vitamins and minerals, through food or supplement. It will speed your recovery.  Don't forget choline, calcium and potassium and iodine. Most Americans are either deficient or borderline. And avoid synthetic A, E, and folic acid as much as possible.  As long as your gut is not working right you are not absorbing as much as you think. Be patient and kind to your gut.?

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