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Want To See The Dermatologist For Testing, I Have A Question!


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gffamily Rookie

Hi, I was hoping someone could help me. I want to see the dermatologist to get the skin test for DH. (I found out I have gluten sensitivity, and one celiac gene, (and one for gluten sensitivity), after stool tests, but have never had a scope or blood test). I have been on a gluten-free diet for about 6 months, with a couple cc issues and accidental glutenings along the way. About nine months ago, while I was pregnant, I started getting these very itchy red bumps that look like mosquito bites. they would appear two or three at a time, stay for a week or so, and then go away. Then I would get more in another spot, and then they'd go away again. This has been happenening on and off since that first time, (although not as frequently there for a little while). I get them in the strangest places, that wouldn't be from a mosquito, (like on my rear end, my chest, the back of my head along the hair line, etc.)

Anyway, I would like to find out if this is dh or something else, but I was wondering, CAN I GET TESTED IF I DON'T HAVE A VISIBLE RASH AT THE TIME OF THE APPOINTMENT???

Thanks for your help!


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Yes. You need an active rash to be biopsied. My dermatologist had me come in when I had an actual blister so he could biopsy right next to it.

gffamily Rookie

Thanks Pegster. I'm not sure if I'll go to the dermatologist or not. My rashes don't seem nearly as bad as other people's. The most i've had at a time is a cluster of 6-8. They itch badly, but don't bleed or burn. Maybe I'll go if it worsens. I guess I just tire at the idea of having to convince someone I have a problem.

I had an appointment with my GP yesterday... he told me "I wouldn't worry about it. Sometimes people just get rashes. You could try some Bennedril"

Sigh...

I can't blame him though. At the time I had just one small red bump. Not very impressive.

Plus, he apparently doesn't put much stock in my enterolab results. When we discussed my daughters results last year he seemed to feel the tests had some merrit, but then again my daughter was very sick at the time.

Now he says these type of tests are not very specific, and give lots of false positives.

Makes me wonder what to do.

I WISH DR. FINE WOULD PUBLISH!!!!!!!

Fiddle-Faddle Community Regular

I don't know if my experience was typical, but I was left with 2 red scars each about the size of a pea. It's been a year and a half, and they are still obvious enough so that when I wear a T-shirt, people say, "Ewww, what happened to your arm?" :ph34r:

My dermatologist also didn't bother to tell me that the prednisone I was on would screw up the biopsy and the bloodwork, and that the fact that I had been gluten-free for a month by the time I got into his office would also screw up the bloodwork. :ph34r:

gffamily Rookie
I don't know if my experience was typical, but I was left with 2 red scars each about the size of a pea. It's been a year and a half, and they are still obvious enough so that when I wear a T-shirt, people say, "Ewww, what happened to your arm." :ph34r:

My dermatologist also didn't bother to tell me that the prednisone I was on would screw up the biopsy and the bloodwork, and that the fact that I had been gluten-free for a month by the time I got into his office would also screw up the bloodwork. :ph34r:

How frustrating! And I was going to ask you if you had a dermatologist in the area to recommend....hmmmm :)

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At least I can tell you who NOT to go to!

Avoid Joseph Bikowski at all costs!!!!! (Am I allowed to say that here????)

Could you have fleas? Do you have a dog or an outside cat? Or did you recently move into a house that was previously owned by a dog or outside cat? Or have you spent a lot of time outside (they can hitch-hike in on your shoes or clothing)?

The fact that they go away on their own after a week is what makes me wonder if they might be caused by something buggy. Then again, you're the only one in the family who has this, so I don't know....maybe you're the tastiest one in the family from producing all that sugary milk?

gffamily Rookie
At least I can tell you who NOT to go to!

Avoid Joseph Bikowski at all costs!!!!! (Am I allowed to say that here????)

Could you have fleas? Do you have a dog or an outside cat? Or did you recently move into a house that was previously owned by a dog or outside cat? Or have you spent a lot of time outside (they can hitch-hike in on your shoes or clothing)?

The fact that they go away on their own after a week is what makes me wonder if they might be caused by something buggy. Then again, you're the only one in the family who has this, so I don't know....maybe you're the tastiest one in the family from producing all that sugary milk?

I'll put the name in my "celiac info" folder. Maybe I'll start a NO list for docs. I have a few I could add already.

At first I wondered about bug bites too, because they sort of look like mosquito bites. I ruled that out though because when I started getting them it was winter, so I figured no bugs around. I do have 3 cats, but they all are 100% indoor kitties. Maybe your right, maybe I am the one bringing in fleas! I better check to make sure I'm not giving them to the cats!!!

I probably shouldn't worry about this because they are more just a nuissance at this point, and I'm already gluten-free so it wouldn't change anything there. I think I just battle with not having a diagnosis outside of Enterolab. I know it shouldn't matter, but my mom thinks we're crazy, and sometimes that gets to me.


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Fiddle-Faddle Community Regular

Don't know if it helps you any, but my DH-type rash (I didn't have an official diagnosis, either) did NOT look like bug bites. It started by looking like a series of tiny pin pricks, and then morphed into something that looked like really, really, really severe poison ivy, but it was weirdly symmetrical: if a patch developed on my right upper arm, an identical patch would spring up on the left. It was up and down both arms in my case, which is why Bikowski insisted it couldn't possibly be DH (??!!), but perfectly symmetrical, which prompted me to google "thyroid symmetrical rashes" (I already had an 18-year history of Hoshimoto's), and found DH. In fact, I couldn't find any other references to symmetrical rashes, hmm, hmmmm.

gffamily Rookie
Don't know if it helps you any, but my DH-type rash (I didn't have an official diagnosis, either) did NOT look like bug bites. It started by looking like a series of tiny pin pricks, and then morphed into something that looked like really, really, really severe poison ivy, but it was weirdly symmetrical: if a patch developed on my right upper arm, an identical patch would spring up on the left. It was up and down both arms in my case, which is why Bikowski insisted it couldn't possibly be DH (??!!), but perfectly symmetrical, which prompted me to google "thyroid symmetrical rashes" (I already had an 18-year history of Hoshimoto's), and found DH. In fact, I couldn't find any other references to symmetrical rashes, hmm, hmmmm.

I've read about the rash being symmetrical. Mine is not. I wonder what it is??? The other thing the gp told me was that "it could be from some type of food intolerance". I apparently have sensitivity to yeast and eggs also and haven't cut them out yet. Maybe that'd help.

By the way, how long after you went gluten-free did it take for your rash to totally go away?

Fiddle-Faddle Community Regular

It took a good 4-6 weeks to disappear completely, but I went gluten-free concurrently with a 10-day course ofZyrtec (which was very effective against the itch, as I never take antihistamines) and prednisone, which, presumably shut off my immune system, and it did start to get noticeably better within 48 hours.

gffamily Rookie
It took a good 4-6 weeks to disappear completely, but I went gluten-free concurrently with a 10-day course ofZyrtec (which was very effective against the itch, as I never take antihistamines) and prednisone, which, presumably shut off my immune system, and it did start to get noticeably better within 48 hours.

Ok. Thanks for sharing all the info. I'm just trying to learn a little more about it. Sounds like it was really difficult to deal with, and I should just be thankful that my rash is mild, whatever it is.

I'm sorry you had to go through all that, (and have an uncooperative/unknowledgeable dermatologist to boot!)

Thanks for your thoughts.

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