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Are there any similar alergies (or diseases )like celiac disease that can flatten your villi? I went gluten free 9 months ago(wasn't diagnosed, it was kind of "what will happen" experiment after I felt bad after eating gluten). I was gassy from all kind of foods, mostly disacharides, even fruits. I had tonsil stones in both tonsils. After 4-5 months tonsil stones dissapeared in one tonsil. After 8 months I was able to eat more chocolate and some fruits without being gassy. I still feel some bloating after, but not gassy any more.

These are very slow improvements so I'm guessing. Can there be more foods that are damaging my gut? I know that celiac disease is relate to more food alergies, but does this allergies damage gut in same manner as celiac? Or imagine man that is not celiac but is alergic to corn. Can corn damage his gut same way like celiac do?

Thank for replies.

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http://www.celiac.com/articles/770/1/Flatt...ease/Page1.html

"Diseases other than GS can cause marked villous flattening and increased villous IELs in adults. The cause of small bowel mucosal injury is unknown. A similar non-GS-associated clinicopathologic complex, assumed to be due to a protracted viral enteritis or slow regression of a virus-induced immune reaction, occurs in children. The temporal aspects of symptom improvement and mucosal restitution in these 7 patients are similar to acute self-limited colitis. An overly exuberant immune response to an infectious agent is possible."

Absolutely, and that is exactly why they should not call "villi damage" the gold standard for diagnosis.

Some times, when you need to be gluten free, other foods seem to be bothering you, but it is actually the gluten causing the problem. I used to think the best thing for my tummy was toast, and I was just feeding the monster. Once you are totally gluten free, other foods may not bother you. Before going gluten free, orange juice caused such terrible heartburn for me, I could hardly breathe. Now, it doesn't bother me. Also, once you are gluten free, other intolerance's become easier to figure out, sometimes, not always.

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So why there are no diseases as corniak,soyliak,or otherfoodliak, only celiak if they can do same damage? I know it's only naming, but it makes impression that celiac is unique for some reason, is it?

Is there any chance that some alergies will go away with time, even if I won't exclude these foods from diet?

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So why there are no diseases as corniak,soyliak,or otherfoodliak

Very cute.

Some intolerance's do go away, but usually because they actually were not an intolerance to begin with. Some problems are branched off from gluten, once the gluten is gone, and healing has happened, sometimes a person can go back to a food they thought was bothering them.

They say celiac is different, and that's why they are not classified all together. Any intolerance is important to deal with. Corn, soy, and oats are as damaging to me as gluten. Some people only need go gluten free, and they are good, some of us are not so lucky.

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There are other causes for the blunting of the villi, as in alcohol abuse and malnutrition, as well as a few other intolerances.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/405488_2

Although villous atrophy is not exclusive of celiac disease, it is considered a crucial finding. Other causes of blunted villi include tropical sprue, malnutrition, intolerance to cow's milk, soy protein intolerance, and infectious gastroenteritis. However, most of these conditions can be readily excluded on the basis of clinical history and laboratory data.

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I don't understand how intestinal biopsy showing flattened villi can be the gold standard diagnosis for celiac disease if it can be caused by other things. I was unable to access the medscape article because I'm not a member. Do you think that you could paraphrase it for me and others who might be wondering the same thing?

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I don't understand how intestinal biopsy showing flattened villi can be the gold standard diagnosis for celiac disease if it can be caused by other things. I was unable to access the medscape article because I'm not a member. Do you think that you could paraphrase it for me and others who might be wondering the same thing?

My above post is a direct copy from the article.

This is from another post on Celiac.com from Carriefaith:

According to the book, "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" by Elaine Gottschall, "The flattened or blunted intestinal surface has been reported in innumerable disease states: infectious heptitis, ulcerative colitis, parasitic infections of the intestine including various types of worms and one-celled parasites, kwashiorkor, soy protein intolerance, intolerance to cow's milk protein, intractable diarrhea of infancy, Chron's disease, and bacterial overgrowth of the small intestine".

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As one who self diagnosed as gluten intolerance, I also was able to identify that I'm intolerance to yeast. Also to note that I tested positive for a candida spit test, and possibly thyroid issues along with being pre-diabetes. Another thing to point out is vitamin deficiencies ( malnutrition), one I think I may lack a lot is vitamin c.

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I do know villi blunting was caused from an ADHD drug. The child was diagnosed as Celiac, and then it was determined the medication caused the blunting.

Celiac is different from an allergy because it is an auto-immune disease. According to my daughter's specialist, allergies can be outgrown in children.

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mommida:

But celiac and alergy are both inapropriate imune responses to something harmless. Celiac is autoimune because it destroys your own body. But if alergy to (for example) corn can make same damage to intestines it's autoimmune too so I still can't understand the difference.

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Gluten king,

Allergy doctors can't explain any of this either.

My daughter was diagnosed with Eosinophilic Esophagitis along with Celiac. Two seperate issues, no connection has been proven yet. Eosinophils are white blood cells associated with the body's allergic response. In her case we are trying to pin point food triggers for this response in her esophagas. Her esophagas is severely damaged, may require surgery at some point or she may be put on a feeding tube if the damage doesn't stop happening.

Doctors honestly have said they can not call this damage an allergy or an auto-immune disease. According to the tests she isn't allergic to anything.

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mommida:

It's clear why they can't call that celiac if you can't find food triggers. But why not autoimmune? Good luck with that.

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I think, for now, flattened/blunted villi is the best testing method they have, even though it also is caused by other things. If the patient goes gluten free, and starts getting better, then they diagnosed correctly, if not, they go back to start, and research the other issues that may be causing the flattened villi.

It's a proven fact, many actual celiac's are missed by endoscopy testing, either because the doctor doesn't know what he is looking at, or because he didn't take enough samples, so many reasons. Dr. Green speaks at our support meetings, usually a couple of times a year. He told us about a very sick man, who had 5 different endoscopies over the years with his own doctor, and his doctor told him he absolutely did not have celiac...then the man found Dr. Green. Dr. Green got the endoscopies from the man's doctor, and there was villi damage on every single one of them. The poor man, over 5-7 years could have been gluten free and getting better, because of doctor's error, and his faith in this doctor, he had no idea.

It's sad, so many people will just blindly accept what a doctor says. Many doctors hate it, yet the internet is a wonderful tool for people to research with.

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As one who self diagnosed as gluten intolerance, I also was able to identify that I'm intolerance to yeast. Also to note that I tested positive for a candida spit test, and possibly thyroid issues along with being pre-diabetes. Another thing to point out is vitamin deficiencies ( malnutrition), one I think I may lack a lot is vitamin c.

OOOH!!! Tell me about your candida spit test and what you've done with the info.... I'm taking the spit test tomorrow if i remember to do it before putting anything in my mouth. my friend suggests that i have that instead of celiac's since my tests came back inconclusive, and some "wheaty" stuff affects me while others dont (i.e., nutrigrain bar, no problem, but bagel or wheat bread-- ow!!!)

thanks, Jennifer

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