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I have to give my cat sub-Q's otherwise he will die, basically. Am I supposed to store the fluid bag in the fridge? Also, any tricks to administering the fluids would be helpful. We got him started today and it took a few tries, but we managed to get about 100mL in him.

Also, he's not drinking or eating. I don't want to stress him too much all at once, but I'm supposed to force feed him with a feeding syringe. I need to mix his canned food with water. If anyone has tricks for this that would be great too.

We're hoping that with sub-Q fluids he'll start eating again without me having to force it.


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First cousin dx'd with Celiac Disease

Grandmother died of malnutrition b/c everything made her sick... sounds like celiac to me.

Gluten-free since June 2005

Dx with IBS February 2005

Blood tests both negative (or inconclusive?) for celiac (in 2002 and 2004)

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Yes, once fluids are opened, store them in the fridge. I would recommend a new needle each treatment. For 100 mls, we usually divide it up into a few spots. Best areas are behind the head - but over the shoulder area as well as along their sides.

Warm the fluids before giving them and do not rub the area after you have given the fluids- it irritates the underlying tissue.

For eating - right now - anything goes. Chicken broth warmed and given by syringe. Meat type baby food (chicken or lamb seem to be favorite) - they are high in sodium but food is food and cats cant go long without eating - it affects the liver. Sardines. Evaporated milk. Yogurt. Heck - even ice cream! Not alwasy best choices for food but we need ot get him eating something. You can force feed yogurt with a syringe - warm it up and it gets more liquid or dilute it with evaporated milk

Sorry I didnt see the post before now, I am handraising baby kittens right now and I sort of fly through the posts.

Good luck, and love him up, and keep him warm. When cats are sick - they often like to lay with magic bags or warm water bottles. or...you cna put towels in the dryer and get them nice and warm for him


Sandy

Type 1 diabetes - 1986

hypothyroid -1993

pernicious anemia

premature atrial beats

neuropathy

retinopathy

daughter is: age 15

central hypotonia and developmental delay

balance issues (rides an adult 3 wheel bike)

hypothyroid 1996

dermatographia - a form of angioedema 2002

celiac 2004 - by endoscopy

diagnosed Aspergers at age 7 - responded very well (HUGE difference) to gluten-free diet

recovered from Kawasaki (2003)

lactose intolerant - figured out in Oct/06

Gilberts syndrome (April/07)

allergy to stinging insects

scoliosis Jan 2008

nightshade intolerance - figured out April 2008

allergy to Sulfa antibiotics

son is 13

type 1 diabetic - 2003 diagnosed on his 9th birthday

celiac - 2004 by endoscopy

lactose intolerant - figured out Nov/06

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http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/clientED/cat_fluids.asp

This is a good site - step by step and details about sub Q fluids and cats.

I chuckled a bit though as they show a cat on a table receiving fluids calmly and no one holding him. Our kitty patients usually like to slink forward and twist a bit and voice their objections.... kind of like -that saying: "objects in the mirror are closer than they appear".... "this treatment is not as easy as the pictures show"


Sandy

Type 1 diabetes - 1986

hypothyroid -1993

pernicious anemia

premature atrial beats

neuropathy

retinopathy

daughter is: age 15

central hypotonia and developmental delay

balance issues (rides an adult 3 wheel bike)

hypothyroid 1996

dermatographia - a form of angioedema 2002

celiac 2004 - by endoscopy

diagnosed Aspergers at age 7 - responded very well (HUGE difference) to gluten-free diet

recovered from Kawasaki (2003)

lactose intolerant - figured out in Oct/06

Gilberts syndrome (April/07)

allergy to stinging insects

scoliosis Jan 2008

nightshade intolerance - figured out April 2008

allergy to Sulfa antibiotics

son is 13

type 1 diabetic - 2003 diagnosed on his 9th birthday

celiac - 2004 by endoscopy

lactose intolerant - figured out Nov/06

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I subQed my cat for several months before he finally died (he was 17 and had failing kidneys). The vet tech taught me to scrunch up the skin at the back of the neck or between the shoulder blades, and slip the needle in there and just hold it there. I would get on all fours and sort of straddle the kitty while doing this.

After the first day, he actually purred while he got his fluids!

I hope your kitty feels much better very soon.

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Yes, once fluids are opened, store them in the fridge. I would recommend a new needle each treatment. For 100 mls, we usually divide it up into a few spots. Best areas are behind the head - but over the shoulder area as well as along their sides.

Warm the fluids before giving them and do not rub the area after you have given the fluids- it irritates the underlying tissue.

For eating - right now - anything goes. Chicken broth warmed and given by syringe. Meat type baby food (chicken or lamb seem to be favorite) - they are high in sodium but food is food and cats cant go long without eating - it affects the liver. Sardines. Evaporated milk. Yogurt. Heck - even ice cream! Not alwasy best choices for food but we need ot get him eating something. You can force feed yogurt with a syringe - warm it up and it gets more liquid or dilute it with evaporated milk

Sorry I didnt see the post before now, I am handraising baby kittens right now and I sort of fly through the posts.

Good luck, and love him up, and keep him warm. When cats are sick - they often like to lay with magic bags or warm water bottles. or...you cna put towels in the dryer and get them nice and warm for him

Thanks for the pm. He's allergic to chicken, but all your suggestions are great. They gave mae lots of needles. I left the fluids (NaCl) out last night because I wasn't sure whether to refrigerate. But now I know.

Also, the vet didn't tell me if I should give fluids everyday. He's extremely jaundiced and obviously he's dehydrated. His liver is so toxic that he had a seizure two nights ago. I did read up on the signs of overhydration.

He sure does require extra warmth and seems to be craving it.


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First cousin dx'd with Celiac Disease

Grandmother died of malnutrition b/c everything made her sick... sounds like celiac to me.

Gluten-free since June 2005

Dx with IBS February 2005

Blood tests both negative (or inconclusive?) for celiac (in 2002 and 2004)

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Thanks everyone for your support and advice. I am a basket case full of worries for him, so all the extra tips help put me at ease.

Tuna water is about the only thing he'll eat without being forced. LOL


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First cousin dx'd with Celiac Disease

Grandmother died of malnutrition b/c everything made her sick... sounds like celiac to me.

Gluten-free since June 2005

Dx with IBS February 2005

Blood tests both negative (or inconclusive?) for celiac (in 2002 and 2004)

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Thanks everyone for your support and advice. I am a basket case full of worries for him, so all the extra tips help put me at ease.

Tuna water is about the only thing he'll eat without being forced. LOL

I hope your kitty pulls through this. I'll say a little prayer for him :)


Patti

"Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans"

"When people show you who they are, believe them"--Maya Angelou

"Bloom where you are planted"--Bev

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Poor kitty! I hope he's doing better.

I didn't know cats could be allergic to chicken. :blink: Can he drink beef broth? I bet the tuna juice is good for him, too...

I'm sure he knows how much you love him and how much you are doing for him. :)

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Nothing to add but hugs and prayers. Sounds like you are doing all you can and I hope he recovers soon.

Krista


Courage does not always roar, sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying

"I will try again tommorrow" (Mary Anne Radmacher)

Diagnosed by Allergist with elimination diet and diagnosis confirmed by GI in 2002

Misdiagnoses for 15 years were IBS-D, ataxia, migraines, anxiety, depression, fibromyalgia, parathesias, arthritis, livedo reticularis, hairloss, premature menopause, osteoporosis, kidney damage, diverticulosis, prediabetes and ulcers, dermatitis herpeformis

All bold resoved or went into remission in time with proper diagnosis of Celiac November 2002

 Gene Test Aug 2007

HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0303

HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 0303

Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 3,3 (Subtype 9,9)

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I appreciate everyones kind thoughts.

We had a really tough time giving him his fluids tonight. He's just skin and bones. I don't know how much more of this I can take. I've had diarrhea for a week. I'm not eating much and I'm skinny so this is very bad. I'm really depressed and to top it all off I start my new job on the 30th. A job where I'm supposed to be really fit and strong. I guess I'm a wreck.

Okay I feel a little better now that I've talked to you guys about it.


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First cousin dx'd with Celiac Disease

Grandmother died of malnutrition b/c everything made her sick... sounds like celiac to me.

Gluten-free since June 2005

Dx with IBS February 2005

Blood tests both negative (or inconclusive?) for celiac (in 2002 and 2004)

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I'm sorry it's not going better (yet)--sounds like you could use some IV fluids, too!

I sure could! I'm losing a lot of salts in my tears.


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First cousin dx'd with Celiac Disease

Grandmother died of malnutrition b/c everything made her sick... sounds like celiac to me.

Gluten-free since June 2005

Dx with IBS February 2005

Blood tests both negative (or inconclusive?) for celiac (in 2002 and 2004)

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Here's an update on my furry guy.

Last night he had the water from my canned salmon. Then he was still hungry, so I gave him a little taste of butter. Then he wanted more food so I gave him a little milk. He was still hungry, so I rushed to the only grocery store that was open late and picked up some sardines. He loved them.

Today we didn't give hum any sub-Q's because he was eating and drinking. I found a canned food that he gobbled up, Techni-Cal naturals. They have two or three without any chicken and that taste good.

So, I think he's on his way to recovery.


Tapioca intolerant

First cousin dx'd with Celiac Disease

Grandmother died of malnutrition b/c everything made her sick... sounds like celiac to me.

Gluten-free since June 2005

Dx with IBS February 2005

Blood tests both negative (or inconclusive?) for celiac (in 2002 and 2004)

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That is GREAT news! Good job coaxing him to eat. I hope he continues on the road to recovery. Keep him nice and warm, cats with liver or kidney issue do have trouble maintaining body temperature.

Isnt it wonderful feeling - a surge of joy - when they start eating again and then want to gobble whatever you put in front of them?

Sandy


Sandy

Type 1 diabetes - 1986

hypothyroid -1993

pernicious anemia

premature atrial beats

neuropathy

retinopathy

daughter is: age 15

central hypotonia and developmental delay

balance issues (rides an adult 3 wheel bike)

hypothyroid 1996

dermatographia - a form of angioedema 2002

celiac 2004 - by endoscopy

diagnosed Aspergers at age 7 - responded very well (HUGE difference) to gluten-free diet

recovered from Kawasaki (2003)

lactose intolerant - figured out in Oct/06

Gilberts syndrome (April/07)

allergy to stinging insects

scoliosis Jan 2008

nightshade intolerance - figured out April 2008

allergy to Sulfa antibiotics

son is 13

type 1 diabetic - 2003 diagnosed on his 9th birthday

celiac - 2004 by endoscopy

lactose intolerant - figured out Nov/06

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That is GREAT news! Good job coaxing him to eat. I hope he continues on the road to recovery. Keep him nice and warm, cats with liver or kidney issue do have trouble maintaining body temperature.

Isnt it wonderful feeling - a surge of joy - when they start eating again and then want to gobble whatever you put in front of them?

Sandy

Yes, it is a really great and much needed feeling of joy and relief. Thanks for all of your help and support.

I've tried to give him magic bags and the like, but he's not interested. He just wants to be alone and every so often he'll cuddle up with me or my husband. He also curls up in a towel-lined kennel.


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First cousin dx'd with Celiac Disease

Grandmother died of malnutrition b/c everything made her sick... sounds like celiac to me.

Gluten-free since June 2005

Dx with IBS February 2005

Blood tests both negative (or inconclusive?) for celiac (in 2002 and 2004)

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