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Origin Of Celiacs?

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I'm Polish and German and the only one in my family who has celiac, although my sister seems to be developing a gluten intolerance.

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Wow, it looks like there's a little of everything here. I'm mostly French, then Spanish and a little Irish and Welsh(sp). My gastro asked me if I was Irish.

I reside in Ontario but grew up with my family in England.My family believed themselves to be true English.Recently we found out that we are of Irish decent through my fathers side the same side that has passed on Celiacs to me.There is some belief that Celiacs originate from Ireland.Whats your background?

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i am inclined to beleive celiac is dominantly european/"white" based on everything ive read to date.

i am only three things - my mom is cherokee and i got celiac from my dad who is a combo english-scottish.

i read somewhere that the first (assumed) celiacs were roman, though.

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I am of Irish, English and Scottish descent but I don't think it has to do with "nationality" per say. When I remember back to my childhood some of the elders from Europe knew that bread, cakes, cookies and gravies were not for "our type of people". My paternal grandmother was absolutely firm about it and I remember a pretty heated moment between my grandmother and my father one holiday about barring bakery cookies from the house. They always said that we should "stick to the old ways" and that our "mother lineage" had a particular style of cookery that kept us well. This was why so many of them wouldn't change from Cahtolicism because the explanation was that the Church had the only continuous written records internationally of births, deaths and marriages thereby tying one back to their original mother lineage. We were all supposed to stick to something called the "strict code of names" which ties this together. It really is quite fascinating to me and the more I research it the more it becomes understood that you could live in the NW of Ireland and be of the same mother tribe as someone in the Southern tip of Italy. My Dad's parents were from Ireland and Scotland, most were of a tribe called D'Anu. Every firstborn girl was named a derivation of Anna; Maryann, Oona, Enya and when they became the elder of the clan they put the "N" in front of the name, hence, the title "Nana" or "Nanny" in English. In Italy it would be Nona or Nonni, Anglo Norman is Nancy. Every first born son was supposed to be William but as years went on the names were jumbled around a bit. My mom's people were from England and Scotland and were Brigends and they have almost the same name sequencing. I later found out all Brigends are a direct descendant tribe of D'Anu. I believe now that many of them had Celiac in one form or another and consequently had horrible disease and suffering in their lives and ultimately died young.

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The first description of childhood and adult coeliac disease was written in the second half of the second century A.D. by a contemporary of the ancient Roman Physician, Galen. He is known as Aretaeus of Cappadocia and his writings which have survived to more recent times were edited and translated by Francis Adams and printed for the Sydenham Society in 1856. The original Greek Text of the sections on "The Coeliac Affection" suggests that Aretaeus may possibly have understood a remarkable amount about the coeliac condition.

So, the Romans were aware of this some 1,800 years ago which show that the condition is not as recent as some may think. Take a look at the following article which makes interesting reading:

http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/~cs0rel/hist.htm

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Heinz 57. :D

Seriously, all I know about my ancestry for sure is that my dad is 1/2 German, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 Hungarian. My mom's ancestry is pretty much a mystery, since her people were so busy making the farms produce something that they were too busy to write down where everybody came from. :huh: So I have no idea what my ancestry is on my maternal side.

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Wow!

Interesting!

I am also a German, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Swedish, Choctaw, Black Foot Mutt!

I wonder if those of pure Native American (both North and South) blood have a better tolerance to nightshades? Or do they just make everyone feel cruddy?

oooh, yeah on second thought ... probably none of those left

....but in theory :huh: ?

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I am 1/2 swedish, from my mother's side (the side celiac came from), part german, & french from my father's side. The fair skin has nothing to do with gluten. I have an olive skin tone and my mom tan's pretty good too.

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Mother: Asturian ancestry (Northern Spain) and Portuguese ancestry. She is white, blue eyes and strawberry hair.

Father: Spain ancestry and Native American (Aztec). My father is browned-skinned with brown hair but his family is a mix of aztec apparience people and red-hair white people.

I have green-hazel eyes, fair skin and freckles all over my face, chest, back, arms. I was blonde as a kid but my hair now is brown.

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another mutt here. Mother's side- Lakota Sioux and Irish. Father's side - Northern Italian and Irish.

So, not only did I get a double wammy of Irish but I get to be Native American Indian lactose intollerent too :rolleyes:

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German, Polish and Irish. My kids are German, Polish, Irish and Spanish they have the Spanish look dark hair, eyes and skin where I am fair skin, blue green eyes and dark blonde hair. Nobody ever believes they are my kids. Works well when the misbehave :lol:

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Sounds like the luck of the Irish to me! :lol:

My background is mostly Irish and English, but I'm 1/4 Austrian because of my maternal grandfather from Salzburg.

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My mother's side is mostly Irish (they came over here on the ships in 1862 from Ireland) and some English on her mother's side. My father is Scottish through and through. I think I got more of the Irish side though... I have fair skin, hazel eyes, and the lightest hair out of all my family. The other thing, my mother is also celiac. We also think my brother and sister may have it, but refuse to acknowledge it. I think that other people are right in thinking their may be an Irish connection, since alot of poeple seem to have Irish ancestory...

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I agree. I think it is no longer an issue with where your family is from. The fact of the matter is that our food suppliers are poisioning us! Too many hormones, too many fillers, too many additives etc... Our Government is allowing this to happen. (We should start a new post.) Let me ask everyone here a question (30 and older) When you were growing up did you kow anyone that had cancer? If you did wasn't it a BIG deal? How many people do you know that have it or have had it now? Big difference right? How many new diseases and ailments have you read about/heard about? It's our food and the toxic chemicals that we use everyday.The US is now poisioning other countries. I will say this to all of you that may say something negative to what I posted: I have only been gluten-free for 6 days. I was never worried about what I ate etc... although I did try to eat somewhat healthier foods. I was aware of some of the chemicals in my food, but I had no idea the affects that it had until this happened to me. The population isn't educated enough. I know that I wasn't. I just rolled with "the times." I figured I would probably die of a heart realted disease,but I just didn't GEt how bad all of this stuff was. I had never even heard of celiac disease even through my medical training. We now have tons of cancer, autism, thyroid diseases, ADHD, ADD, OCD, RLS, celiac disease, Chronic Fatigue (not spelled right lol) IBS, Addisons, Parkinsons, allergies, COPD, mad cow disease, avian flu, SARS, AIDS, HIV, Hepatitis through the roof (and a new addition to it every 5 years or so), drug addiction, seziures, depression, ulcers, diabetes is skyrocketing, we have CFS oh my goodness I could go on forever. The sad part is this: there is no cure for most of these. It is sad. Please educate people about what they are putting into their bodies and allowing their children to eat. It's scary. We have done this to ourselves unknowingly. I know that I also did it to my children unknowingly and that hurts me. I always bought what was cheap because of funds, but when I look back I could've done better. We ate out a lot. I could've bought healthier foods instead of eating out, and probably had money left over. I know I am devestated by celiac disease, and the affects it has had on my family. I am ranting in the wrong place, I'm sorry. :) My point is that no one is "safe" anymore. I'm sure at one time there was a link, but it would be impossible to track now due to US food CC.

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I agree. I think it is no longer an issue with where your family is from. The fact of the matter is that our food suppliers are poisioning us! Too many hormones, too many fillers, too many additives etc... Our Government is allowing this to happen. (We should start a new post.) Let me ask everyone here a question (30 and older) When you were growing up did you kow anyone that had cancer? If you did wasn't it a BIG deal? How many people do you know that have it or have had it now? Big difference right? How many new diseases and ailments have you read about/heard about? It's our food and the toxic chemicals that we use everyday.The US is now poisioning other countries. I will say this to all of you that may say something negative to what I posted: I have only been gluten-free for 6 days. I was never worried about what I ate etc... although I did try to eat somewhat healthier foods. I was aware of some of the chemicals in my food, but I had no idea the affects that it had until this happened to me. The population isn't educated enough. I know that I wasn't. I just rolled with "the times." I figured I would probably die of a heart realted disease,but I just didn't GEt how bad all of this stuff was. I had never even heard of celiac disease even through my medical training. We now have tons of cancer, autism, thyroid diseases, ADHD, ADD, OCD, RLS, celiac disease, Chronic Fatigue (not spelled right lol) IBS, Addisons, Parkinsons, allergies, COPD, mad cow disease, avian flu, SARS, AIDS, HIV, Hepatitis through the roof (and a new addition to it every 5 years or so), drug addiction, seziures, depression, ulcers, diabetes is skyrocketing, we have CFS oh my goodness I could go on forever. The sad part is this: there is no cure for most of these. It is sad. Please educate people about what they are putting into their bodies and allowing their children to eat. It's scary. We have done this to ourselves unknowingly. I know that I also did it to my children unknowingly and that hurts me. I always bought what was cheap because of funds, but when I look back I could've done better. We ate out a lot. I could've bought healthier foods instead of eating out, and probably had money left over. I know I am devestated by celiac disease, and the affects it has had on my family. I am ranting in the wrong place, I'm sorry. :) My point is that no one is "safe" anymore. I'm sure at one time there was a link, but it would be impossible to track now due to US food CC.

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I am the true mutt:

I am african-american. I am unsure of my african ancestors, however, my great grand mother was the daughter of her slave owner. My mother has a Scottish last name and father has a Welsh last name. (both are african-american).

My husband has a Ukranian/German background.

I think I have more European blood than anyone wants to admit. Many relatives have had stomach cancer, diabetes, gout, etc. etc. I am the first to go Gluten-free.

As for the proof of this blood...

Our first son has blonde hair and light brown eyes! (No one thinks I am his mother!)

I can tolerate nightshades- no problem.

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So interesting! Gene pool mixing just has increased with all the increased moving around in the world.

What I know is German, English, Norwegian, but nobody really knows what all is in the mix. My grandfather had the bright red hair...

I'm the only celiac I know of in the family but suspect many others; both parents have DQ2 because I have a double dose of it. Means all 5 of my siblings have at least one DQ2 gene and so do my two kids.

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My grandma advises me not shake a stick at anyone.

I have Irish, prussian, German, English, welsh, black, American Indian.

and enough "randy gals" that any thing is possible.

one more mile

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im german/hungarian...blonde and blue eyes...both of my grandmothers died of complications related to the disease...and there are plenty of allergies in the family tree.

i married a scotsman...and my kids seem to be no better for that lol

all my children are intolerant to wheat in some way...and my nephew is allergic to peanuts and wheat and gluten...while his sister is not.

my husband isnt allergic to a thing ...but he does have diabetes and arthritis...so obviously some immune disfunction on his side that he doesnt feel inclined to go further into lol.

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