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Wow... I believe the effexor... I have had doctors recommend antid's to me many times...and it has never been an appropriate recommendation for me. Quite a few Celiacs struggle with depression...sometimes b/c chronic illnesses/pain can cause it. How are you doing now? Have you been diagnosed?

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I stopped going to Dr.'s when they put me on

an anitdepressant (effexor)which is harder to get off

of than pasta and I became suicidal! Anyone eles

have this experience?

I could write a book on this. I also became suicidal. My DD starting cutting, then became suicidal and had to be hospitalized for a short time, and my DS became psychotic (sp?) he wanted to kill other people and then himself but fortunately never acted on it. Celiac induced depression is much different than an imbalance of serotonin or a reaction to external factors. Antidepressant and mood altering drugs are very dangerous for SOME celiacs. Our family saw a complete resolution of psychiatric and neurological symptoms after we were totally clear of all gluten. I wonder how many of our young people are hospitalized or incarcerated or dead for lack of a gluten free diet?

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Wow... I believe the effexor... I have had doctors recommend antid's to me many times...and it has never been an appropriate recommendation for me. Quite a few Celiacs struggle with depression...sometimes b/c chronic illnesses/pain can cause it. How are you doing now? Have you been diagnosed?

I am doing much bettter now. It has been about 4 years

since I was on the drug. I still have a ways to go. Even

being sick was managable. In fact it took three years

before they convinced me that the drug would work. I guess

I was to the point that I would try anything. It wasn't

worth it. I was maintaining my life even with this mysterious

illiness. Once I was on the drug I was a completly differnt

person. I lost my house, quit my unbelievable job managing

a resort spa because suddenly I hated everyone.

Everything was everyone eles fault.

I went to a holistic physchiatrist who was a very good

friend of mine and she taught me how to raise the testerone

levels naturally, listen to music and retrain my mind and

most importantly exersize. Running was something I did

every moring at 4:00a.m; until I got on effexor.

It is very scary how vulnerable our lives are to people

who don't know much more than we do. Probably less. I knew I

wasn't depressed. There were too many other physical things that

I were not right. Anemia. Sever fatigue. my hair falling out weighing

about 90lbs. The funniest thing to me is the pregnancy tests. Everytime

I saw my Dr. It's all funny for me now. Maybe what we have gone thru

will save someone eles from that experience.

Because effexor increases the risk of suicide or other unthinkable acts

they no longer precribe it. In the mean time the rest of us pick up their

mess.

I don't get why people think that what they put in their cars is more

important than what they put in their bodies.

Thank you for asking. I am happy, healthy celiac!

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I could write a book on this. I also became suicidal. My DD starting cutting, then became suicidal and had to be hospitalized for a short time, and my DS became psychotic (sp?) he wanted to kill other people and then himself but fortunately never acted on it. Celiac induced depression is much different than an imbalance of serotonin or a reaction to external factors. Antidepressant and mood altering drugs are very dangerous for SOME celiacs. Our family saw a complete resolution of psychiatric and neurological symptoms after we were totally clear of all gluten. I wonder how many of our young people are hospitalized or incarcerated or dead for lack of a gluten free diet?

You are probably right. I had an Aunt who commited

a horrible suicide with her kids in the next room. One

of her daughters has been diagnosed as bipolar. It is

probably as simple as a chemical imbalance due from

this illiness. I also remember my aunt always looking

like she was pregnant even although she wasn't. It

is very sad. It is even sadder that this illiness is not

new. It has been around for quite sometime. But you

know how people are; "Lifes Bread"? Can't be that.

I was having dinner with a man from Italy and he knew right away

what I was talking about. He told me that I could go to Italy

and have pizza because they have advanced due to their

knowledge about this disease. The children are tested by the

time the are twelve just like we immunize ours at certain ages.

I know it will progress. I am encouraged all of the time. I used

to hate to talk about it but now I want everyone to know.

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poker princess-

sorry to hear what you had to go through...but glad you are doing well now! i'm sure your story will help teach others...

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I stopped going to Dr.'s when they put me on

an anitdepressant (effexor)which is harder to get off

of than pasta and I became suicidal! Anyone eles

have this experience?

"Oh my God!" I know exactly what you mean, pokerprincess!" That literally was the hardest prescription drug that a doctor has ever put me on. It was literally horrible!

I was sick probably about 6-8 months trying my damnest (sorry) to get off of this anti-depressant. I had extreme restless leg syndrome, nausea, electric shocks through my body, itching, extreme back pain, I could go on an on... but I don't want to put you all through it.

I tried for about 6 months to get off of it, than ended up in the emergency room begging for help! :lol: Ha Ha Ha, absolutely no help! They said, I need to get back on it, and taper off even slower than I was tapering off, which I thought was already really slow.

That drug in my opinion, is dangerous. But some people don't seem to have a problem getting off of it, I think I did, because I took it for almost 3 years. My psychiatrist at the time told me "I was crazy!" I remember I copied all this research off the internet to show him, he didn't even look at it! This was about 4 years ago, before Effexor became known as a difficult drug to get off of.

I never ever want to go through that again, or wish that on any body!

So yeah, I know how you feel...

Kim

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You are probably right. I had an Aunt who commited

a horrible suicide with her kids in the next room. One

of her daughters has been diagnosed as bipolar. It is

probably as simple as a chemical imbalance due from

this illiness. I also remember my aunt always looking

like she was pregnant even although she wasn't. It

is very sad. It is even sadder that this illiness is not

new. It has been around for quite sometime. But you

know how people are; "Lifes Bread"? Can't be that.

I was having dinner with a man from Italy and he knew right away

what I was talking about. He told me that I could go to Italy

and have pizza because they have advanced due to their

knowledge about this disease. The children are tested by the

time the are twelve just like we immunize ours at certain ages.

I know it will progress. I am encouraged all of the time. I used

to hate to talk about it but now I want everyone to know.

To Poker Princess:

That is horrible about your aunt, I am so sorry! And I am so sorry about your stugggle with suicide as well! You said its been about 4 years since you have been off of the Effexor, that's how long it's been for me.

I have never been suicidal before, but I do know all about chronic pain. I briefly at really horrible times have thought about suicide, but I have never seriously meant it. I was always too afraid. I never had Chronic Pain till tapering off of the Effexor, even though I went really slow my body was so addicted to it (physiologically), that for me for some reason, it took me twice as long as the normal person to get off of that drug. It litterally took about 6 months of cutting it up in small doses. It truly is a horrible horrible drug in my opinion. I remember my best friend, she has problems with depression, told me her doctor wanted to put her on it, and I just remember being so afraid for her! She took it for about 2 months, it didn't work for her, so she decided to get off of the drug. She didn't have a problem getting off of it. It is a mystery to me how people like you and me, go through horrendous side effects from this alful drug, and some people can get off of it with no problems. She said she had felt a little light- headedness and dizzy at first but nothing serious. Anyways it baffles me.

During the time I was sick weaning off of Effexor, my husband litterally thought I was dying. That is no joke. I'm so scared of that drug, and I do believe it should be taken off the market.

TO POKER PRINCESS AND ALL:

I was diagnosed with bi-polar depression in my thirties (I'm 34 now), and I have general depression. I also have anxiety. Unfortunately I am on a lot of meds to help with this. I don't feel like I need them all, but don't feel like its the time to change anything right now. I've only been gluten free 3 weeks!

Do you believe after going totally gluten free for let's say 6 months to a year, a person's depression will lift???

I don't want to be on drugs forever????

And do you honestly believe in a correlation between the gluten and the depression and the serotonin levels in the brain????

Just curious..... :unsure: kim

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Kim-

I don't have much info on depression--celiac links...but here's some potential info for you below.... I think there is clinical/medical type depression, where someone has a chemical type issue, but I think there is also depression brought on by dealing with a chronic illness, chronic pain etc. I think those are two different things and should be handled somewhat differently. I'm guessing you are referring to the first type? Perhaps someone else has more info for ya...but hopefully one of these links with give you a bit more info...

http://depression.about.com/cs/diet/a/foodallergies_2.htm

http://www.celiac.com/st_prod.html?p_prodi...-36103509980.9e

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...7&dopt=Abstract

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Kim-

I don't have much info on depression--celiac links...but here's some potential info for you below.... I think there is clinical/medical type depression, where someone has a chemical type issue, but I think there is also depression brought on by dealing with a chronic illness, chronic pain etc. I think those are two different things and should be handled somewhat differently. I'm guessing you are referring to the first type? Perhaps someone else has more info for ya...but hopefully one of these links with give you a bit more info...

http://depression.about.com/cs/diet/a/foodallergies_2.htm

http://www.celiac.com/st_prod.html?p_prodi...-36103509980.9e

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...7&dopt=Abstract

To Jenvan:

Thank you so much for sending me these links! I will look at them to see if they can give me any more information!

Thanks, Kim :)

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To Poker Princess:

That is horrible about your aunt, I am so sorry! And I am so sorry about your stugggle with suicide as well! You said its been about 4 years since you have been off of the Effexor, that's how long it's been for me.

I have never been suicidal before, but I do know all about chronic pain. I briefly at really horrible times have thought about suicide, but I have never seriously meant it. I was always too afraid. I never had Chronic Pain till tapering off of the Effexor, even though I went really slow my body was so addicted to it (physiologically), that for me for some reason, it took me twice as long as the normal person to get off of that drug. It litterally took about 6 months of cutting it up in small doses. It truly is a horrible horrible drug in my opinion. I remember my best friend, she has problems with depression, told me her doctor wanted to put her on it, and I just remember being so afraid for her! She took it for about 2 months, it didn't work for her, so she decided to get off of the drug. She didn't have a problem getting off of it. It is a mystery to me how people like you and me, go through horrendous side effects from this alful drug, and some people can get off of it with no problems. She said she had felt a little light- headedness and dizzy at first but nothing serious. Anyways it baffles me.

During the time I was sick weaning off of Effexor, my husband litterally thought I was dying. That is no joke. I'm so scared of that drug, and I do believe it should be taken off the market.

TO POKER PRINCESS AND ALL:

I was diagnosed with bi-polar depression in my thirties (I'm 34 now), and I have general depression. I also have anxiety. Unfortunately I am on a lot of meds to help with this. I don't feel like I need them all, but don't feel like its the time to change anything right now. I've only been gluten free 3 weeks!

Do you believe after going totally gluten free for let's say 6 months to a year, a person's depression will lift???

I don't want to be on drugs forever????

And do you honestly believe in a correlation between the gluten and the depression and the serotonin levels in the brain????

Just curious..... :unsure: kim

Kim,

I still experience depression when I am sick. I think that JenVan is right. There are chemical imbalances

and also the constant ups and downs of being sick. Being completly malnourished has got to have some

serious effects also. Now that I am gluten free I have the greatest outlook on life despite how difficult mine has been. One of the other things I illiminated early on because I thought I might hypoglycemic was sugar. I do not even use splenda or eat fruit. AAAAAAAAhhhhhhhh. I feel so balanced and evenly energetic now. My cousin, who is bipolar, said that her Dr. tells her not to have chocolate. I think its more of the sugar than the chocolate. Years ago I went to an Aurvydic Dr. who told me sugar was as bad as cocaine. It doesn't disolve into your blood stream, raises your heart rate so the *#@ is literally ripping through your veins like fiber glass. I thought she was crazy! I had to learn the hard way but now I no longer have those stupid hormonal outburst at that wonderful time of the month and the cycle only last about 3 days and is very, very, light. I also started getting acne that was more like boils when I first started getting sick. I had never even had acne in Highschool and now here I was 27 years old and I had painful knotts on my face.Hormones, hormones, hormones.

I always say try it for a week. Even if I didn't have celiac I believe I would still be on this diet. I believe MaryLou Henner, Cher and a few others stay on it for health reasons. I have read a little on Dr. Perccone

being that I am in the spa business about the effects of sugar on the callogan of the skin. I know that my skin unbelievable. Most people can't believe that I am 35. I also believe that you cannot have too much of the anitoxidants, H2O, and natural oils found in veggies. Lipids, which are natural oils in nuts and veggies are crucial for nerves. It's like the lubricant that keeps everything from scraping against each other.

I hope this helps. Anything to lessen the pain that I absolutely understand.

Good Luck. You will do wonderful. Just take it one step at a time and remember with the everyday matters in life that sometimes get to you "This to will pass."

My name is also Kim A.k.A pokerprincess.

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Kim,

I still experience depression when I am sick. I think that JenVan is right. There are chemical imbalances

and also the constant ups and downs of being sick. Being completly malnourished has got to have some

serious effects also. Now that I am gluten free I have the greatest outlook on life despite how difficult mine has been. One of the other things I illiminated early on because I thought I might hypoglycemic was sugar. I do not even use splenda or eat fruit. AAAAAAAAhhhhhhhh. I feel so balanced and evenly energetic now. My cousin, who is bipolar, said that her Dr. tells her not to have chocolate. I think its more of the sugar than the chocolate. Years ago I went to an Aurvydic Dr. who told me sugar was as bad as cocaine. It doesn't disolve into your blood stream, raises your heart rate so the *#@ is literally ripping through your veins like fiber glass. I thought she was crazy! I had to learn the hard way but now I no longer have those stupid hormonal outburst at that wonderful time of the month and the cycle only last about 3 days and is very, very, light. I also started getting acne that was more like boils when I first started getting sick. I had never even had acne in Highschool and now here I was 27 years old and I had painful knotts on my face.Hormones, hormones, hormones.

I always say try it for a week. Even if I didn't have celiac I believe I would still be on this diet. I believe MaryLou Henner, Cher and a few others stay on it for health reasons. I have read a little on Dr. Perccone

being that I am in the spa business about the effects of sugar on the callogan of the skin. I know that my skin unbelievable. Most people can't believe that I am 35. I also believe that you cannot have too much of the anitoxidants, H2O, and natural oils found in veggies. Lipids, which are natural oils in nuts and veggies are crucial for nerves. It's like the lubricant that keeps everything from scraping against each other.

I hope this helps. Anything to lessen the pain that I absolutely understand.

Good Luck. You will do wonderful. Just take it one step at a time and remember with the everyday matters in life that sometimes get to you "This to will pass."

My name is also Kim A.k.A pokerprincess.

Kim pokerprincess:

Hello, and thanks for writing me back,

Gosh, I bet sugar was sooooooooooooooo hard to give up. So you don't even have splenda (ouch!), sounds painful. I gave up sugar a while ago, (sadly back on it now, and switched to splenda, and then ran out, and just used my husband's sugar again). So you don't even eat fruit. I'm not suppossed to eat fruit, because I have what's called gastric paresis (slow digesting stomach), but to give up all sugar sounds so hard!

But I have heard the exact same things about it as you have! And I would like to get off of it, believe it or not!!!!! Exactly how did you do it, I'm guessing gradually.

Do you eat any dairy, or soy, or nuts. I'm three weeks Total Gluten Free and notice that dairy is giving me some problems, so I have switched to a gluten free soymilk and soycreamer, and I eat dairy but very sparingly.

It sounds like you are doing wonderfully though! And that the diet has paid off for you, mood wise- and physically! So if you could, can you tell me a brief over-view of what you do eat, and what you don't.

It's so funny, because before I found out I had celiac sprue, I had always heard doctors speak either on talk shows, or books, about how to stay away from anything (WHITE). Like sugar, flour, white bread, etc. I used to wonder how true that actually was, and it looks like what they we're saying was "right on the money!". Of course, being a celiac I have to stay away from any flour not just white. So I have always heard of the evils of sugar, I would like to know how to get off of sugar, just to see if I do actually feel better (energy wise, and mood wise).

I feel like I might have a problem with hypogycemia as well, every once in a while I get this alful feeling. I get really dizzy, and a feeling like my limbs are really heavy, its hard to catch my breath, and I just feel really bad, I start shaking a little, and I have this urgent need to eat, I feel like if I eat it might go away. I have no idea what this is, but I hate it, and it happens probably once or twice a month.

Anyways, just curious how you kicked the old sugar habit, and where are you buying your foods.

Kim

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Kim pokerprincess:

Hello, and thanks for writing me back,

Gosh, I bet sugar was sooooooooooooooo hard to give up. So you don't even have splenda (ouch!), sounds painful. I gave up sugar a while ago, (sadly back on it now, and switched to splenda, and then ran out, and just used my husband's sugar again). So you don't even eat fruit. I'm not suppossed to eat fruit, because I have what's called gastric paresis (slow digesting stomach), but to give up all sugar sounds so hard!

But I have heard the exact same things about it as you have! And I would like to get off of it, believe it or not!!!!! Exactly how did you do it, I'm guessing gradually.

Do you eat any dairy, or soy, or nuts. I'm three weeks Total Gluten Free and notice that dairy is giving me some problems, so I have switched to a gluten free soymilk and soycreamer, and I eat dairy but very sparingly.

It sounds like you are doing wonderfully though! And that the diet has paid off for you, mood wise- and physically! So if you could, can you tell me a brief over-view of what you do eat, and what you don't.

It's so funny, because before I found out I had celiac sprue, I had always heard doctors speak either on talk shows, or books, about how to stay away from anything (WHITE). Like sugar, flour, white bread, etc. I used to wonder how true that actually was, and it looks like what they we're saying was "right on the money!". Of course, being a celiac I have to stay away from any flour not just white. So I have always heard of the evils of sugar, I would like to know how to get off of sugar, just to see if I do actually feel better (energy wise, and mood wise).

I feel like I might have a problem with hypogycemia as well, every once in a while I get this alful feeling. I get really dizzy, and a feeling like my limbs are really heavy, its hard to catch my breath, and I just feel really bad, I start shaking a little, and I have this urgent need to eat, I feel like if I eat it might go away. I have no idea what this is, but I hate it, and it happens probably once or twice a month.

Anyways, just curious how you kicked the old sugar habit, and where are you buying your foods.

Kim

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What about using natural honey? I have a friend who we call a 'health nut' who only uses honey to sweeten his coffee/tea. I gave up white sugar at home years ago but still used sugar in the raw. In the last six months I switched to honey for my hot tea/coffee. It was hard to get used to it in coffee but it tastes fine to me now. Does honey do the same thing to us a sugar crystals? Honey after all is natural and not processed as far as I understand.

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What about using natural honey? I have a friend who we call a 'health nut' who only uses honey to sweeten his coffee/tea. I gave up white sugar at home years ago but still used sugar in the raw. In the last six months I switched to honey for my hot tea/coffee. It was hard to get used to it in coffee but it tastes fine to me now. Does honey do the same thing to us a sugar crystals? Honey after all is natural and not processed as far as I understand.

Floridanative:

Thanxs!!

Actually, I have tried sugar, it does take a while to get used too, but its not bad at all! Do you ever bake anything (dessert wise), like cookies, or brownies? Of course, gluten free!

What do you use in those situations??

Or, have you guys all lost your sweet tooth forever, :o , I kind of doubt that, since that would be almost in-human to not have that every once in a while?

I mean what do you buy gluten-free (beverage wise, food wise, are there really a lot of items out there that are not gluten free, and sugar-free also?)

I'm trying to lay off of dairy right now, I just started, I can't tell for sure if I'm I'm having a problem with it or not, I do know that after I eat it, which lately is maybe once a week or less, I feel kind of sick to my stomach, and extremely fatigued, like I need a NAP right then. So I switched to soy. I've heard that when you go completely gluten free which for me is 3 weeks, sometimes your body starts to affect other foods like dairy, soy, nuts etc.

Kim

Floridanative:

Thanxs!!

Actually, I have tried sugar, it does take a while to get used too, but its not bad at all! Do you ever bake anything (dessert wise), like cookies, or brownies? Of course, gluten free!

What do you use in those situations??

Or, have you guys all lost your sweet tooth forever, :o , I kind of doubt that, since that would be almost in-human to not have that every once in a while?

I mean what do you buy gluten-free (beverage wise, food wise, are there really a lot of items out there that are not gluten free, and sugar-free also?)

I'm trying to lay off of dairy right now, I just started, I can't tell for sure if I'm I'm having a problem with it or not, I do know that after I eat it, which lately is maybe once a week or less, I feel kind of sick to my stomach, and extremely fatigued, like I need a NAP right then. So I switched to soy. I've heard that when you go completely gluten free which for me is 3 weeks, sometimes your body starts to affect other foods like dairy, soy, nuts etc.

Kim

SORRY ABOVE I MEANT I HAVE TRIED HONEY!!!! IN PLACE OF SUGAR!!!!! :rolleyes:

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Well actually since my biopsy isn't until Jan. I eat whatever I want right now. I fully suspect I'll have to go on the gluten-free diet regardless of biopsy results due to elevated tTg test that is 99% specific to gluten intolerance. The diet would be the tie breaker if the biopsy comes up clean. Anyway, luckily I don't have much of a sweet tooth and would rather have popcorn any day instead of a cookie. So to answer your question, I haven't had to find substitute foods for sweets and such yet. But I've heard that there are some pretty good brownie mixes out there that are gluten-free. More experienced posters can share brand names and such. For now I'm just switching out non food stuff for gluten-free products. That way, I'll have that out of the way before having to start the diet.

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Well actually since my biopsy isn't until Jan. I eat whatever I want right now. I fully suspect I'll have to go on the gluten-free diet regardless of biopsy results due to elevated tTg test that is 99% specific to gluten intolerance. The diet would be the tie breaker if the biopsy comes up clean. Anyway, luckily I don't have much of a sweet tooth and would rather have popcorn any day instead of a cookie. So to answer your question, I haven't had to find substitute foods for sweets and such yet. But I've heard that there are some pretty good brownie mixes out there that are gluten-free. More experienced posters can share brand names and such. For now I'm just switching out non food stuff for gluten-free products. That way, I'll have that out of the way before having to start the diet.

Thanks (Florida native)

Good luck with your biopsy!!

I guess what I meant is I'm looking for non-sugar, non-gluten baking flours, (I THINK I'M DREAMING)....... :blink:

Just ignore me! ;)

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Kim pokerprincess:

Hello, and thanks for writing me back,

Gosh, I bet sugar was sooooooooooooooo hard to give up. So you don't even have splenda (ouch!), sounds painful. I gave up sugar a while ago, (sadly back on it now, and switched to splenda, and then ran out, and just used my husband's sugar again). So you don't even eat fruit. I'm not suppossed to eat fruit, because I have what's called gastric paresis (slow digesting stomach), but to give up all sugar sounds so hard!

But I have heard the exact same things about it as you have! And I would like to get off of it, believe it or not!!!!! Exactly how did you do it, I'm guessing gradually.

Do you eat any dairy, or soy, or nuts. I'm three weeks Total Gluten Free and notice that dairy is giving me some problems, so I have switched to a gluten free soymilk and soycreamer, and I eat dairy but very sparingly.

It sounds like you are doing wonderfully though! And that the diet has paid off for you, mood wise- and physically! So if you could, can you tell me a brief over-view of what you do eat, and what you don't.

It's so funny, because before I found out I had celiac sprue, I had always heard doctors speak either on talk shows, or books, about how to stay away from anything (WHITE). Like sugar, flour, white bread, etc. I used to wonder how true that actually was, and it looks like what they we're saying was "right on the money!". Of course, being a celiac I have to stay away from any flour not just white. So I have always heard of the evils of sugar, I would like to know how to get off of sugar, just to see if I do actually feel better (energy wise, and mood wise).

I feel like I might have a problem with hypogycemia as well, every once in a while I get this alful feeling. I get really dizzy, and a feeling like my limbs are really heavy, its hard to catch my breath, and I just feel really bad, I start shaking a little, and I have this urgent need to eat, I feel like if I eat it might go away. I have no idea what this is, but I hate it, and it happens probably once or twice a month.

Anyways, just curious how you kicked the old sugar habit, and where are you buying your foods.

Kim

Kim,

sorry it is taking me so long to get back to you. It is 3:30 a.m. I have

been helping friends move.

I will send you some food ideas and ideas on how to manage the sugar

It is not easy but once you conquere it, no, you don't have cravings.

The diet becomes a whole new experince to eating. There is an entire

world of food out there that most of us have no idea exists. If we did

we wouldn't even think twice about giving up the crap that we eat.

someone said on a thread once, "It is easier to eat at high end restaraunts."

That is true.

Today sometime I will send you some stuff to start with and that will inspire

you to step out of the norm and you will love the results. Even if I didn't have this

disease, I wouldn't eat any other way.

B. Back with you soon.

YAAAAWWWWWN......

Kim

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Kim,

sorry it is taking me so long to get back to you. It is 3:30 a.m. I have

been helping friends move.

I will send you some food ideas and ideas on how to manage the sugar

It is not easy but once you conquere it, no, you don't have cravings.

The diet becomes a whole new experince to eating. There is an entire

world of food out there that most of us have no idea exists. If we did

we wouldn't even think twice about giving up the crap that we eat.

someone said on a thread once, "It is easier to eat at high end restaraunts."

That is true.

Today sometime I will send you some stuff to start with and that will inspire

you to step out of the norm and you will love the results. Even if I didn't have this

disease, I wouldn't eat any other way.

B. Back with you soon.

YAAAAWWWWWN......

Kim

To Kim (pokerprincess):

Thank you so much, for getting back to me so soon! You are so kind to write me back so late into the night! :)

That would be wonderful if you could send me some information, food ideas, information on how to manage to eat with-out sugar in my life, and endure some of the cravings I will have while I try to get off of it!

I have wanted to get off of sugar for a while now! So this idea really isn't anything new, I just didn't have any clue on how to begin.

You can send the information when ever you get a chance at my email address

kimhines@austin.rr.com

Thanks so much, I appreciate this so much!

I'm just curious, how long we're you on Effexor? And what we're your symptoms trying to get off of this terrible anti-depressant?

Kim

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Kim,

sorry it is taking me so long to get back to you. It is 3:30 a.m. I have

been helping friends move.

I will send you some food ideas and ideas on how to manage the sugar

It is not easy but once you conquere it, no, you don't have cravings.

The diet becomes a whole new experince to eating. There is an entire

world of food out there that most of us have no idea exists. If we did

we wouldn't even think twice about giving up the crap that we eat.

someone said on a thread once, "It is easier to eat at high end restaraunts."

That is true.

Today sometime I will send you some stuff to start with and that will inspire

you to step out of the norm and you will love the results. Even if I didn't have this

disease, I wouldn't eat any other way.

B. Back with you soon.

YAAAAWWWWWN......

Kim

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Kim,

I feel horrible! Iwrote something yeterday morning at about 3:30- I must have hit something incorrectly in my sleepless stupor! I have infor for you. A friend was refragging my comp. blah, blah, blah. I thought I would have something for you before now. I think I can follow thru with this little task today! You will see why it is worth the wait. Some visuals to make it easier for you, and anyone else. You certainly will not regret trying this for a few days!

I will be back again soon.

Kim

Kim,

I feel horrible! Iwrote something yeterday morning at about 3:30- I must have hit something incorrectly in my sleepless stupor! I have infor for you. A friend was refragging my comp. blah, blah, blah. I thought I would have something for you before now. I think I can follow thru with this little task today! You will see why it is worth the wait. Some visuals to make it easier for you, and anyone else. You certainly will not regret trying this for a few days!

I will be back again soon.

Kim

uh...I don't think 3 hrs. is enough sleep. I did send mess. correctly. :blink:

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