Reaction To Meat

[Apache]

For a long time I have noticed that whenever I eat meat without some simple carbs I have strange reactions. One of the biggest reactions is that I become very depressed and easily angered within minutes of eating. I also become very lethargic and spaced out. Sometimes it's hard for me to hold even a somewhat inteligent conversation. I also get some discomfort in the gallbladder region. Does anybody else experience problems with meat? Fish is probably the worst of all to cause these reactions. The strange thing is that I don't have the same problems if I eat a simple carb along with the meat, but I do still have a reaction to the carbs.

[GlutenFreeManna]

Are you trialing a low carb diet? I don't know if this is what's happening, but low carb dieters go through a carb withdrawal period/detox period they call the induction flu. One of the symptoms is fatigue. It lasts from one to two weeks, and then the symptoms lessen and go away for most people. However it's not a good thing if you are having pain over your gallbladder when you eat meat. Perhaps you are eating too much fat and you should eat more fresh green veggies. I'm not sure why fish would cause you more problems unless you are eating lots of farm raised fish.

[Skylark]

Meat can have a lot of free amino acids that cause people trouble. Fish in particular can have histamine. I was going to link you info on the RPAH failsafe diet website, but it seems to be gone. What they suggest is trying freshly slaughtered meat (cook no more than seven days past slaughter, three is better), or freshly killed fish and avoiding leftovers.

I don't understand why the carbs make a difference, but it's easy enough to eat meat along with carbs if it helps a lot.

[gf-soph]

Like skylark I'll mention amines and the RPA diet. I'm also not sure why you feel better with the carbs, but maybe it slows down how quickly the meat hits your system, or provides some extra energy which helps to buffer?

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I am on the RPA elimination diet and my dietician says that different amines can effect people differently. I thought that chocolate was making me irritable and generally off because of the sugar, but she says that it sounds more like the amines to her. I'll keep testing out.

My boss' husband is very sensitive to amines and he reacts with anger and irrationality, she said that they always know when he's had too many as he will try and quit his job over minor trifals. Thankfully he has an understanding boss!

Gall bladder pains - I would also get your gall bladder checked out, and look at fat absorption.

[Apache]

Thanks for all the replies. I think the amines theory makes the most since. As for my gallbladder, I've had several ultrasounds and they all come back negative. One showed slight inflammation from an unknown origin. I'm pretty sure it has to do with my leaky gut and food sensitivities.

[Apache]

I found a comprehensive list of amine sensitivity symptoms, incase you all haven't seen it:

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This explains a lot, especially why l-glutamine supplements make me feel detatched from the world for several hours.

[Skylark]

Thanks for the link. I seem to be a little sensitive to amines myself, which is why I thought of it when you posted. I have to go easy on fermented foods, especially red wine and gluten-free beers. I thought I was yeast sensitive for a while, but I can eat yeast-leavened bread so now I'm thinking I have my father's histamine sensitivity. He can't eat much fish or drink red wine very well and I seem to be the same way.

[cassP]

i dont think everyone's body is made to eat meat... but on top of that-> i feel great on a paleo type diet- i feel great after eating meat HOWEVER-> (for me at least)- i feel best only eating 2-5 oz at a sitting/combining the meat with vegtables/ AND having the meat be GOOD quality and cooked medium rare. i am telling u- i am a meat eater!!!! but if you give me a FACTORY BURGER cooked WELL DONE- i will be nauseaus and burping for hours!!! overcooked meats are not easy to digest. ive also read that if you're cooking a steak at home- marinating it in black cherry juice can help you digest it (its yummy too)

all that being said..... a few years ago, when i was still semi-regularly consuming gluten-> i had a lot of malabsorption (evident in my gut, and bms)... anyways, i would have issues digesting almost anything!! i remember too i would get nauseaus an hour after eating almost anything- even fish or avacados (seemingly healthy foods that i digest fine now)- this suggested to me possible Gall Bladder issues or congestion. how long has it been since you've been gluten-free??? it may take more time ??

[Mari]

This is just a guess but you may be releasing toxins into your small intestine. Eating meats or anything with fats/oils triggers the release of bile - it is squirted from the gall bladder into the liquified food as it is released from the stomach by the pyloric valve. The liver, where bile is made, filters out toxins and pollutants in the blood and they are excreted in the bile. Also if you have toxin producing organisms growing in your bile system a high concentration of these toxins beinng released when you eat certain foods could be causing some or all of your symptoms, especially the brain fog and depression. You may also have thick sludgy bile and gall stones. Drs have some good tests to evaluate bile system function and it is best to be tested before the bile system becomes clogged. It is also possible for you to look at the various cleanses people use to to flush out the bile system. It is good to know what the problems are but the Drs may advise you to have the gallbaldder removed - but this may not be necessary if you choose to do digestive health improvement programs which include liver or gall bladder flushes. Some people do find that their gall system recovers on a gluten-free diet but if symptoms persist it's a good idea to to find out why the symptoms persist.