getting glutened on "gluten free" corn chips? Builds up??

[zenith12]

I been eating the wal mart brand corn chips which are labled as gluten free. Salsa verde and Scorchin hot and  Chili garlic.

I never had a problem till i pigged out on them on Thursday evening , and twice on Friday and 1-two hours after DINNER i got SICK!!!!  I actually opned a NEW bag of Salsa verde for dinner  Also my body knows when it eats just a minute amount since i will have TINY pains in my stomach.  GLUTEN free foods are not safe, at least some are not.  SO my question is apparently , say one bag of chips has  10PPM of gluten,  so does that mean per serving?  so if you ate the chips 3 times  over 24 hours  at  5 servings that is  50PPM of exposure???  SO bye bye chips!!!! I will NEVER eat those again. I should have known I already do NOT eat any wal mart products except for those chips since they tasted good. Most all their products they are putting major toxic bleach like chemicals in their prodcuts. The good news is since i did NOT take in very much gluten was only sick for  12 hours am still a bit under the weather.  Are all UDIS products 100% gluten free?   or like  18 PPM??  8PPM??     Yea i am pretty sure before long i will be eating NOTHING but  WHOLE foods and   NO processed foods.  Except for  ALDIS  coco loco bars. (gluten fee).  thanks

I already knew all this that some ppl cant even handle  19 PPM of gluten which is the law for labeling gluten free products. So my tolerance may be   12PPM or more  who knows.  The  GlutenFreeda oatmeal which is nasty and i will never eat it again  is   5PPM and it is listed on the box  but the law does NOT require that apparently.

[Scott Adams]

IF one bag had 10ppm gluten then your overall exposure would be only 10ppm, even if you ate the whole bag...it is not measured per serving then multiplied.

[BubbleGirl2]

1 hour ago, zenith12 said:

I been eating the wal mart brand corn chips which are labled as gluten free. Salsa verde and Scorchin hot and  Chili garlic.

I never had a problem till i pigged out on them on Thursday evening , and twice on Friday and 1-two hours after DINNER i got SICK!!!!  I actually opned a NEW bag of Salsa verde for dinner  Also my body knows when it eats just a minute amount since i will have TINY pains in my stomach.  GLUTEN free foods are not safe, at least some are not.  SO my question is apparently , say one bag of chips has  10PPM of gluten,  so does that mean per serving?  so if you ate the chips 3 times  over 24 hours  at  5 servings that is  50PPM of exposure???  SO bye bye chips!!!! I will NEVER eat those again. I should have known I already do NOT eat any wal mart products except for those chips since they tasted good. Most all their products they are putting major toxic bleach like chemicals in their prodcuts. The good news is since i did NOT take in very much gluten was only sick for  12 hours am still a bit under the weather.  Are all UDIS products 100% gluten free?   or like  18 PPM??  8PPM??     Yea i am pretty sure before long i will be eating NOTHING but  WHOLE foods and   NO processed foods.  Except for  ALDIS  coco loco bars. (gluten fee).  thanks

I already knew all this that some ppl cant even handle  19 PPM of gluten which is the law for labeling gluten free products. So my tolerance may be   12PPM or more  who knows.  The  GlutenFreeda oatmeal which is nasty and i will never eat it again  is   5PPM and it is listed on the box  but the law does NOT require that apparently.

I was able to eat corn products a few years into my 7 year diagnosis, but not anymore. Same with rice and oats (many others). Hardest thing to grasp (for me) was that symptoms weren't fixed and could change separate from issues of contamination. Of course everyone is very different but it would have helped me I think if I had understood this was a possibility. 

[Ennis-TX]

...ppm is parts per million it is not a volume or mass measurement but more of a percentage type measurement. The gluten free legal requirements is under 20ppm and I think it refers to a serving. We can not really test below 5ppm, and most products actually test below the testing limit and have no gluten (Gluten Free Watchdog does product reports and has a lab test food) from what I have seen in test results.

But it is not always gluten, it could be the spices...I eat spices I am sick and vomiting as my stomach/intestines still can not handle them years later. You can also develop other food sensitivities and intolerance issues, where other foods can trigger vomiting, diarrhea, or generally pain and stomach upset. Those with intestinal damage like celiac and leaky gut are more prone to develop these. Many common ones are soy, dairy, corn, oats, night shades, garlic, onions, and xantham gum.
https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/are-food-sensitivities-for-life

Edited February 29, 2020 by Ennis_TX

[BubbleGirl2]

6 minutes ago, Ennis_TX said:

...ppm is parts per million it is not a volume or mass measurement but more of a percentage type measurement. The gluten free legal requirements is under 20ppm and I think it refers to a serving. We can not really test below 5ppm, and most products actually test below the testing limit and have no gluten (Gluten Free Watchdog does product reports and has a lab test food) from what I have seen in test results.

But it is not always gluten, it could be the spices...I eat spices I am sick and vomiting as my stomach/intestines still can not handle them years later. You can also develop other food sensitivities and intolerance issues, where other foods can trigger vomiting, diarrhea, or generally pain and stomach upset. Those with intestinal damage like celiac and leaky gut are more prone to develop these. Many common ones are soy, dairy, corn, oats, night shades, garlic, onions, and xantham gum.
https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/are-food-sensitivities-for-life

Definitely this. Fodmap and nightshades. Experience all of them. 

[Scott Adams]

Just to clarify, the ppm is not measured per serving. Under 20 ppm does not have anything to do with serving size. At that tiny level a vast majority of celiacs will have no symptoms, even if they at more servings. Yes, if you eat 10 servings you will get more gluten if something was at 10 ppm than if you ate only 5 servings, however, you would also get a HUGE amount more non-gluten food in your stomach, so the overall concentration of gluten would be unchanged--it would still be 10 ppm, which is considered safe.

That said, there is a big misconception out there regarding this 20 ppm level, which is considered safe by all leading celiac disease experts and support groups. The misconception is that companies are somehow "fortifying" their products up to 19 ppm and don't care about celiacs. Studies have shown that a vast number of products labelled "gluten-free" in the USA contain levels well below this limit, and most have levels that are undetectable. If a company starts to get readings at 10 ppm - 19 ppm they are likely to get very worried, and track down the source of contamination to avoid a possible recall, which could happen if levels go higher.

It's probably best to think of it as a warning zone for companies which they are probably using to clean up their acts. It's a good thing, and not a bad thing. Setting the limits lower would likely result in many companies taking "gluten-free" off of their labels and using phrases such as "no gluten ingredients," which would be a bad thing for most celiacs because this would have no clear meaning.

[Zenith]

On ‎2‎/‎29‎/‎2020 at 12:18 PM, BubbleGirl2 said:

I was able to eat corn products a few years into my 7 year diagnosis, but not anymore. Same with rice and oats (many others). Hardest thing to grasp (for me) was that symptoms weren't fixed and could change separate from issues of contamination. Of course everyone is very different but it would have helped me I think if I had understood this was a possibility. 

Will  u clarify that please.   Give me an example.  

On ‎2‎/‎29‎/‎2020 at 2:06 PM, Scott Adams said:

Just to clarify, the ppm is not measured per serving. Under 20 ppm does not have anything to do with serving size. At that tiny level a vast majority of celiacs will have no symptoms, even if they at more servings. Yes, if you eat 10 servings you will get more gluten if something was at 10 ppm than if you ate only 5 servings, however, you would also get a HUGE amount more non-gluten food in your stomach, so the overall concentration of gluten would be unchanged--it would still be 10 ppm, which is considered safe.

That said, there is a big misconception out there regarding this 20 ppm level, which is considered safe by all leading celiac disease experts and support groups. The misconception is that companies are somehow "fortifying" their products up to 19 ppm and don't care about celiacs. Studies have shown that a vast number of products labelled "gluten-free" in the USA contain levels well below this limit, and most have levels that are undetectable. If a company starts to get readings at 10 ppm - 19 ppm they are likely to get very worried, and track down the source of contamination to avoid a possible recall, which could happen if levels go higher.

It's probably best to think of it as a warning zone for companies which they are probably using to clean up their acts. It's a good thing, and not a bad thing. Setting the limits lower would likely result in many companies taking "gluten-free" off of their labels and using phrases such as "no gluten ingredients," which would be a bad thing for most celiacs because this would have no clear meaning.

ok thanks. I get it.    Well I believe that whole bag was probably  100 PPM.  Maybe 500.  I am just guessing.  Wal mart does NOT certify their products as gluten free there fore, because of that experience  I will NEVER buy food s   again that  says  gluten  free  half hazardly.

[Zenith]

On ‎2‎/‎29‎/‎2020 at 1:07 PM, Ennis_TX said:

...ppm is parts per million it is not a volume or mass measurement but more of a percentage type measurement. The gluten free legal requirements is under 20ppm and I think it refers to a serving. We can not really test below 5ppm, and most products actually test below the testing limit and have no gluten (Gluten Free Watchdog does product reports and has a lab test food) from what I have seen in test results.

But it is not always gluten, it could be the spices...I eat spices I am sick and vomiting as my stomach/intestines still can not handle them years later. You can also develop other food sensitivities and intolerance issues, where other foods can trigger vomiting, diarrhea, or generally pain and stomach upset. Those with intestinal damage like celiac and leaky gut are more prone to develop these. Many common ones are soy, dairy, corn, oats, night shades, garlic, onions, and xantham gum.
https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/are-food-sensitivities-for-life

Thanks!!   OMG I have a PINTO bean intolerance.  I did research and I think it is from the FERMENTING carbs. Garlic has a lot too. And if I eat garlic sometimes I get horrid type of cramps/pain in my stomach but very different than  celiac pain.  I hope I can tolerate black eyed peas. (the ones you cook yourself (dry)). Do you think I can? I ate some canned  kidney beans from Aldis and did fine.    I can eat like a small bowl of pinto beans but If I eat anymore it will MESS me up. FOR instance, if I eat  3 bowls over a day or so.  Natural detox!! lol

[BubbleGirl2]

15 minutes ago, Zenith said:

Will  u clarify that please.   Give me an example.  

ok thanks. I get it.    Well I believe that whole bag was probably  100 PPM.  Maybe 500.  I am just guessing.  Wal mart does NOT certify their products as gluten free there fore, because of that experience  I will NEVER buy food s   again that  says  gluten  free  half hazardly.

Highly recommend reading up on Nightshades especially and Fodmaps.

[Fenrir]

I tend to still have problems with corn products at times. If I eat popcorn and then have corn tortillas I will have gastric problems but one or the other is OK. So it seems I can handle smaller amounts of corn but eating a bowl of pop corn or an ear of corn is about as much as I can do in a day without symptoms. 

[Zenith]

18 hours ago, Fenrir said:

I tend to still have problems with corn products at times. If I eat popcorn and then have corn tortillas I will have gastric problems but one or the other is OK. So it seems I can handle smaller amounts of corn but eating a bowl of pop corn or an ear of corn is about as much as I can do in a day without symptoms. 

ok thanks. I keep hearing that , that corn is a gluten mimicker.  I just ate some and I am doing ok.  There is a bit or corn in those meals   (EVOL-Fired steak one), and they are pretty good.   SO far for me only allergens is , pinto beans,  caffeine , alchohol,  wheat/gluten. I have given caffeine and alcohol up since 2012. lt always made me very hypoglycemic. I have not drinking milk since November , so i don't know how i would do with milk. I want to try RAW milk but   I am afraid of both types. I heard RAW milk can give you lots of problems if you are NOT used to it.

[CharlesBronson]

I often wondered the same thing... I'm celiac and eat gluten and grain free, so my one snack that I thought I was able to eat successfully was potato kettle chips (Miss Vickie's Original). 

I'm not healing though, so I'm starting to wonder if my snack food is the cause? The rest of my diet is made up of whole foods (meat, potato, veg, fruit, tea). It says gluten free under the ingredients on the bag, but it's not certified gluten free, so I'm starting to wonder if it's on the high end of the PPM scale. And, since it's my one snack food, I tend to eat a lot of them over the course of a week. 

I'm close to signing up to Gluten Free Watchdog to take the guesswork out of this awful disease... 

[Scott Adams]

Perhaps go with certified gluten-free products when it comes to snacks and other processed foods, but sticking with whole foods that are naturally gluten-free and are not processed might be a better option. I doubt you need to join any group for this.
 

Also Nima Sensor’s free app does share product testing results from hundreds of those who use the device, in case you want that type of info.

[zenith12]

17 hours ago, CharlesBronson said:

I often wondered the same thing... I'm celiac and eat gluten and grain free, so my one snack that I thought I was able to eat successfully was potato kettle chips (Miss Vickie's Original). 

I'm not healing though, so I'm starting to wonder if my snack food is the cause? The rest of my diet is made up of whole foods (meat, potato, veg, fruit, tea). It says gluten free under the ingredients on the bag, but it's not certified gluten free, so I'm starting to wonder if it's on the high end of the PPM scale. And, since it's my one snack food, I tend to eat a lot of them over the course of a week. 

I'm close to signing up to Gluten Free Watchdog to take the guesswork out of this awful disease... 

See I know what i am talking about.  OMG i am so glad i did NOT eat those potato chips (kettle) style salt and vinegar from ALDIS. It says gluten free on the bag but NOT certified. I bought those before i got glutened on those corn chips i think,  and after getting glutened on the wal mart chips, I was like   " F NO" i am  NOT eating those. I gave mine to my boss.  DO u  know about the   MI Nina corn chips or any corn chips that taste really good that are certified some how or can be trusted?  There is  Mi nina, and i bought them before and ate them with no problem and now i am afraid to go back and eat them since that was just prior to getting glutned on the wal mart brand corn chips.  There is this other brand too but i can't think of the name right now so now i am just thinking of getting the  Mi Nina . I tried contacting the company but don't think I had any luck.  SO i sign up with that watch dog and how much does it cost to get a product tested?

[zenith12]

3 hours ago, Scott Adams said:

Perhaps go with certified gluten-free products when it comes to snacks and other processed foods, but sticking with whole foods that are naturally gluten-free and are not processed might be a better option. I doubt you need to join any group for this.
 

Also Nima Sensor’s free app does share product testing results from hundreds of those who use the device, in case you want that type of info.

Do i have to worry about fresh onions,  broccoli, or anything like that with gluten contamination?  I just wash my broccoli real good first. Can't contamination be washed off fresh products/produce?  Well those Mi Nina chips  do  say    'naturally gluten free'.   As there are just 2 ingredients.  But that still doesn't mean there is no flour residue on the chips.   lol      Like i am craving me some damn chips and I am pissed off. 

[CharlesBronson]

6 minutes ago, zenith12 said:

See I know what i am talking about.  OMG i am so glad i did NOT eat those potato chips (kettle) style salt and vinegar from ALDIS. It says gluten free on the bag but NOT certified. I bought those before i got glutened on those corn chips i think,  and after getting glutened on the wal mart chips, I was like   " F NO" i am  NOT eating those. I gave mine to my boss.  DO u  know about the   MI Nina corn chips or any corn chips that taste really good that are certified some how or can be trusted?  There is  Mi nina, and i bought them before and ate them with no problem and now i am afraid to go back and eat them since that was just prior to getting glutned on the wal mart brand corn chips.  There is this other brand too but i can't think of the name right now so now i am just thinking of getting the  Mi Nina . I tried contacting the company but don't think I had any luck.  SO i sign up with that watch dog and how much does it cost to get a product tested?

I think the only cost is in signing up. You can request a certain product be tested, but I think she gets a ton of requests, so it may not happen right away. 

Also, I've been reading a lot of fat malabsorption, and how it makes people feel like they're been glutened, so I'll be cutting back on all things fatty and greasy

 

[zenith12]

17 hours ago, CharlesBronson said:

I often wondered the same thing... I'm celiac and eat gluten and grain free, so my one snack that I thought I was able to eat successfully was potato kettle chips (Miss Vickie's Original). 

I'm not healing though, so I'm starting to wonder if my snack food is the cause? The rest of my diet is made up of whole foods (meat, potato, veg, fruit, tea). It says gluten free under the ingredients on the bag, but it's not certified gluten free, so I'm starting to wonder if it's on the high end of the PPM scale. And, since it's my one snack food, I tend to eat a lot of them over the course of a week. 

I'm close to signing up to Gluten Free Watchdog to take the guesswork out of this awful disease... 

Somebody on here got glutned on  18PPM.

[zenith12]

2 hours ago, CharlesBronson said:

I think the only cost is in signing up. You can request a certain product be tested, but I think she gets a ton of requests, so it may not happen right away. 

Also, I've been reading a lot of fat malabsorption, and how it makes people feel like they're been glutened, so I'll be cutting back on all things fatty and greasy

 

wow thanks. Yeah like sometimes i have floaty stools but NOT all the time. Just sort of rarely. Hey what symptoms are you still getting? you said you are not healing. thanks  

Did you try NOT eating the chips for awhile and see if you feel better?   Happy healing.

[Scott Adams]

4 hours ago, zenith12 said:

Do i have to worry about fresh onions,  broccoli, or anything like that with gluten contamination?  I just wash my broccoli real good first. Can't contamination be washed off fresh products/produce?  Well those Mi Nina chips  do  say    'naturally gluten free'.   As there are just 2 ingredients.  But that still doesn't mean there is no flour residue on the chips.   lol      Like i am craving me some damn chips and I am pissed off. 

You should not worry about gluten contamination on fresh fruits and vegetables. If you are concerned about this, wash them before eating them.

[Zenith]

11 hours ago, Scott Adams said:

You should not worry about gluten contamination on fresh fruits and vegetables. If you are concerned about this, wash them before eating them.

Ok thanks. I did find a phone number for the Mi Nina chips so I will call them.

[MisterSeth]

its probably all the fiber

[zenith12]

On 3/28/2020 at 5:52 PM, MisterSeth said:

its probably all the fiber

Oh no it was defintely gluten. I know EXACTLY how my body responds.  I just bought some gluten free spices but still afraid to try it. So for now i just eat salt. And i don't migrate away from banana,  advocados, blueberries, potatoes, cheese, gluten-free buttermilk ranch dressing, eggs,  Aldis gluten-free brownes and other gluten-free certified brownies, and burger but only the good stuff, and  the awesome india meals and AMYs meals that are certified and that is it. I will never eat chips that are NOT certified ever again. I think i can trust the MI nina chips though. There are no powders on them like the stupid wal mart chips. I just found a farm to buy blueberries for 30lbs at 140$. I haven't eaten advocados in awhile since my glutening from the wal mart chips since i want to have my salsa and chips to go with it. The  Mrs Renfros salsa has not gluten in it but i don't see anywhere on there that says certified but i think you can trust that brand.  If it was made in a facility with wheat i think it would have to say. BUT in my opinion any thing you put in your mouth that is processed you are taken a risk.

[Beverley Ann Johnson]

On 2/29/2020 at 11:34 AM, zenith12 said:

I been eating the wal mart brand corn chips which are labled as gluten free. Salsa verde and Scorchin hot and  Chili garlic.

I never had a problem till i pigged out on them on Thursday evening , and twice on Friday and 1-two hours after DINNER i got SICK!!!!  I actually opned a NEW bag of Salsa verde for dinner  Also my body knows when it eats just a minute amount since i will have TINY pains in my stomach.  GLUTEN free foods are not safe, at least some are not.  SO my question is apparently , say one bag of chips has  10PPM of gluten,  so does that mean per serving?  so if you ate the chips 3 times  over 24 hours  at  5 servings that is  50PPM of exposure???  SO bye bye chips!!!! I will NEVER eat those again. I should have known I already do NOT eat any wal mart products except for those chips since they tasted good. Most all their products they are putting major toxic bleach like chemicals in their prodcuts. The good news is since i did NOT take in very much gluten was only sick for  12 hours am still a bit under the weather.  Are all UDIS products 100% gluten free?   or like  18 PPM??  8PPM??     Yea i am pretty sure before long i will be eating NOTHING but  WHOLE foods and   NO processed foods.  Except for  ALDIS  coco loco bars. (gluten fee).  thanks

I already knew all this that some ppl cant even handle  19 PPM of gluten which is the law for labeling gluten free products. So my tolerance may be   12PPM or more  who knows.  The  GlutenFreeda oatmeal which is nasty and i will never eat it again  is   5PPM and it is listed on the box  but the law does NOT require that apparently.

I am getting sick from everything lately.  I ate a few corn chips (been doing gluten-free for a while) but is there really such thing as not only being intolerant to wheat or gluten but also corn, millet, rice etc..?  My symptoms, headache, vomiting and stomach issues which I already had with some redness on the chest, congestion during vomiting and gas, Lord when will this stop?