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So I was wondering if this would be something to consider with Whey Cool protein since it contains raw milk? The bacteria and stuff.

I dont think it would pertain to the Whey protein....if it did I think it would have to have the govt. warning. Thats what it sounds like from reading this...

Government regulations now require many living foods to carry a warning label, including meat, poultry, fish, and fresh juices. This came about because of the ever weakening immune system of the average American citizen.

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Dear tom,

. . . . . .He could tear up a Sherman Tank! I swear to you!

:lol::lol::lol: !!!!

The sugar very well could have been it. Too much carbohydrate in general might have irritated the system. Candida does tend to aggravate things when a lot of carbs are involved. Many people get digestive upset if they eat high carb foods.

This is especially so after being on the diet a while.

Oh ya it was definitely the sugar. I had zero sweeteners, zero fruit, not even the vegetables the books call sweet, like carrots & red bell peppers for more than a yr & a 1/2. Nada. Zip. And worth every bit of unrequited craving.

I was testing a banana bite cuz (take *that* Donna Webster! :P) I'd found an apple didn't hurt me none. (And THAT!)

The candida books have an order for re-introduction in phases.

Maybe I plateaud at apples & brown rice syrup for sweetener.

Heck I haven't even had anything w/ brown rice sweetener in a month. (Or maybe one of the non-dairy non-soy milks had some?) And only 1 apple and a little organic applesauce.

Not gonna mess w/ success!!

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Okay, did my second big detox thing...rebounded for 15 minutes. :P

Hum, interesting on the raw milk thing.

Hum, interesting about the fat thing too. :P Maybe it's a good thing I have a layer of fat over these muscles. :P:lol:

Donna

Would you be able to take colostrum? They have a colostrum that has the casien taken out of it. It by proper nutrition I think. I don't know if it's a prob or not.

You know, I'm not sure...one of the supplements I'm taking (Transfer Factor LymePlus) has colostrum in it, and I'm pretty sure the casein hasn't been removed...so in small amounts, yeah, probably could. I've heard colostrum is really good to take though...I might have to look into the casein free one.

I was testing a banana bite cuz (take *that* Donna Webster! :P) I'd found an apple didn't hurt me none. (And THAT!)

:P

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preferencially remove copper making it *appear* as if the person is copper toxic and this is often misdiagnosed.

Secondly, somebody with Lyme can have high levels of copper.

The enzymes of the immune system...the white blood cells basically use copper containing compounds to kill microbes. When the white blood cells use copper...the now oxidized copper gets displaced in connective tissue and appears in hair, skin, stool, urine....and is misdiagnosed as copper toxicity.

4 out of 5 times the diagnosis of copper toxicity is wrong and is a by-product of Lyme or other infection.

1 in 5 (in his experience) is true copper toxicity.

So that could be your answer to the high levels of copper!

Hi, thanks Rachel for posting this. I saw this "preferentially remove" idea also on my google search. I think this might be what my doctor told me when I asked him about it 2-3 years ago. I know that my current supplement does not contain copper and he chose it based on several tests.

This explanation makes sense. Also the toxicity symptoms for copper don't sound too much like mine.

Sherry

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Does anyone know of a dairy free/soy free un-denatured whey protein? i may have dingo'd it, but I am lactose intolerant and not sure that would agree with me :huh:

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Does anyone know of a dairy free/soy free un-denatured whey protein? i may have dingo'd it, but I am lactose intolerant and not sure that would agree with me :huh:

I dont know of any that are dairy free/soy free.....but that doesnt mean there arent any.

I dont know if there are any undenatured whey products w/out lactose.

This is what I read..

Individuals with lactose intolerance should select a pure whey protein isolate, which has less than 0.1 gram of lactose per tablespoon (20 grams). This is less lactose than the amount found in a cup of yogurt and research has shown that most people with lactose intolerance have no trouble taking this very small amount of lactose. Individuals with lactose intolerance should avoid whey protein concentrates as they usually contain lactose and the amount can vary greatly from product to product.

I'm guessing that these would be denatured but I could be wrong.

In comparison the Whey Cool contains 1.5-2 gr. of lactose per serving.

*Whey Cool does contain lactose. In a 30 gram serving size (24 grams of protein) there is approximately 1.5-2 grams of lactose (7-8 %).

I think you would have to do some research to see if there are any undenatured whey's that have little or no lactose.

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Andrea....I'll be calling on Monday to set up for LED. :)

I'm gonna have to figure something out as far as scheduling treatments because of all the things which need to be avoided. I dont think I'll be able to be at work....I'm hoping I'll be able to do treatments on Friday afternoons or something.

Anyways I think theres gonna be ALOT of things that show up needing to be detoxed...he has 7 treatments he needs to do...I think you said Talitha has 5??

Holy cow....mine is probably gonna be through the roof. :blink:

I'm kinda scared to find out all that needs to be detoxed....he's disappointed with 7....I'm thinking its gonna be a WHOLE lot more for me. :(

I'm praying for less than 10...I would be happy with that. :)

I wonder if its possible to exceed 20 or 30? I think I might break some records with this. :rolleyes:

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Andrea....I'll be calling on Monday to set up for LED. :)

So it's going to work down there for you? That's good. :D Keep me posted. I know you'll have to figure out something to do so you stay off the phone and the computer. :P

I think she said Talitha would be five. The sulfa, 245T, 2 foods and MEK.....don't know if that one was two. She has a lot of other things on her initial report so I don't know what goes with what as far as detoxing.

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In that paper Dr E forwarded to me it says most people need 5-10 treatments to clear major toxins and 10 or more to clear minor toxins.

Don't know which are major or minor though.

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So it's going to work down there for you? That's good. :D Keep me posted. I know you'll have to figure out something to do so you stay off the phone and the computer. :P

I think she said Talitha would be five. The sulfa, 245T, 2 foods and MEK.....don't know if that one was two. She has a lot of other things on her initial report so I don't know what goes with what as far as detoxing.

Well...for starters I just wanna get in there, meet with him and get tested to see what I'm dealing with.

I dont know how booked up he is or if I'll be able to get in soon. I figure even if I'm not convinced I wanna have him do the treatments I'll at least have met with him and I'll have the results for my next visit with Amy. I can talk to her about it in Sept. and see what she thinks.

If I have a really good impression I'll probably just go ahead and start treatments....I'll see how it goes but I think just getting myself in there and seeing all that needs to be detoxed is a good start.

I just know my list is gonna be hecka long. :rolleyes:

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In that paper Dr E forwarded to me it says most people need 5-10 treatments to clear major toxins and 10 or more to clear minor toxins.

Don't know which are major or minor though.

I'm guessing I'll be doing almost everything....the first ones would be sulfa, then probably autoimmunity and then onto mercury.

I'm thinking mercury is going to need be repeated (who knows how many times) as the bugs are killed off.

This sort of has it prioritized but I'm sure I'll be doing most...if not all of these....plus more. :(

The next highest priority of LED treatment after autoimmunity is usually for heavy metals, especially the various forms of mercury, even if the heavy metal is not causing autoimmunity.

Mercury is taken up by most parasites and certain other microbes in the body. When these microbes are killed, the mercury dumps back into the body and may need to be treated again. After all the mercury is effectively treated with LED, other critical heavy metals are usually treated next.

Then, after the heavy metals, other pesticides and herbicides not treated as part of the autoimmunity process usually take the next highest priority. If DDT pesticide is present, it often takes priority over other pesticides.

After the critical pesticides and herbicides are treated, formaldehyde and formic acid, benzene, xylene and toluene, PCB, phthalates, petroleum byproducts as well as other man made toxins are considered.

After that come aflatoxins and other biotoxins (ammonium causticum, botulinum, pyrogeniums), vaccine residuals and other pharmaceuticals.

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Dang....I found an even longer list of toxins in this post from LymeNET.

I'm sure alot of them are done in groups but still.....if my results are anything like my BioSET results...I'm gonna be needing to detox pretty much everything!

Check this out....and I know I react to all this stuff....just dont know if they all need to be detoxed. :unsure:

With the Cowden method you are tested for hundreds of substances, not just an occasional allergy, or a single substance that you might have been exposed to and are still holding in your body preventing you from getting well:

Every possible food/spice, phenols and phenolics, pesticides, insecticides. All heavy metals. All species -aspergillus; all solvents, manyderivatives used in plastics, insecticides, detertents, paints, dyes.

Supplements that contain traces of Benzene, Toluene and Xylene (poisonous hydrocarbon from coal tar or petroleum - used in dyes, explosives, nail polish&remover, adhesives in bonding agents, vinyl floors, sub floor; new homes 1-3 years old) have 15 times the concentrations of these organic gases and vapors found in old homes. Used as a vehicle for pesticides in homes; in formica industry ------

Xylene - used as solvents antiseptics.

Petroleum: Oily flammable liquid - yields paraffin, fuel oil, kerosene, gasoline.

Don't use skin products containing petroleum ----

Gasoline

The list is endless.

Captan - used as a fungicide on fruits and flowers.

Coumaphos: Organ phosp[horus systemic insecticide given to cattle and poulty in feed additive.

Bromophos: pesticide

Dioxin - herbicide. weed killers. Polyuchlorinated Biphenuls: Some laundry detergents; used in wood preservatives, biocides, disinfectants. PolystyreneL styrofoam products.

Parabens: found in skin care products and oral health products.

Perchlorethlene: dry cleaning chemica. Artrizine and Round-Up - hervicides, methanol Isopropyl alcohol (use Vodka instead)

The whole DDT group - Diazinon, toxic residue of same. Dieldrin - insecticide longlasting and highly toxic. Demon - pesticides used in homes and office buildings

Fungal toxins = aflatoxins, acetaldehyde, peanuts, grain-fed beef or chicken

All the different golds - gold, platinum, barium, copper, etc. etc.

Iodine, chlorine, bromine, fluoride

Lead, aceticum, bromatum, phosphoricum, sulfuricum (in hair color products, ceramic glazes, pencils, leaded paint, lead pipes, dust soil air, gasoline, batteries, etc.

Palladium: found in some dental materials for crowns - Indium, Titanium -

This is just a fraction of the list that are tested.

The list is so long that muscle testing or ART would take forever and many arms to test all.

It is done on Computer and combined with ART or other muscle testing.

Many in the field are taking or have taken the training and are incorporating it in their practice. Some do it piece-meal over a longer period of time, separating the different groups.

Detox Support is always included involving flowers, Bach, or whatever, because many people are toxic that came about via emotional conflicts. LED is never done without it - just another homeopathic vial.

Glands, organs, hormones and neurtransmitters are definitely included in the treatment. If they malfunction, nothing functions.

This addresses the auto immune problems that many chronically ill are battling with.

First the emotions, then the sulfa residuals, then several sessions of metals, then all the rest. Done consecutively, it takes several days for most. The testing is done separately to determine the total LED procedure; the actual laser treatments take minutes and usually follow the next days and thereafter.

It is totally addressing the individual - and that is where the practitioner's knowledge and understanding of the patient comes in. We are not alike at all.

For many, as these toxins are mobilized and released from the body over time, the viruses, the bacteria, the microbials are "departing" also.

It goes right along with Dr. K.'s comments for as long as I have known him (going on ten years) - get rid of the toxic load and the microbes will follow. As long as we are holding on to the toxic load, the infections are not leaving. They need the toxic terrain to exist, survive and multiply.

Well this one is pretty much a given...right along with the mercury.

Fungal toxins = aflatoxins, acetaldehyde, peanuts, grain-fed beef or chicken

Stupid grain-fed animals! :angry:

Oh...and the Aspergillus, the plastics, the foods, the phenolics, the pesticides, the parabens....cant forget the laundry detergents....hope they have Bounce included in this! :P

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I know you'll have to figure out something to do so you stay off the phone and the computer. :P

Yeah....this part is just CRAZY! :o

Heck...I think the only time I stayed away from R-ville was when the computer broke last summer and I went missing for a couple days. :huh:

And OMG...my phone!! :o

At least this is gonna work out alot better than what I was planning a few months ago. If I was down in Arizona I'd be having treatments on consequetive days...so pretty much the whole time down there w/ no computer, no phone, no nothing....its heinous just to think about! :blink:

I think I could manage 25.5 hours though...I hope. :unsure:

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I never got an email from Laura....did I get kicked off the list?? :unsure:

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Of course not Rachel! It hasn't been sent yet. I'm a little overwhelmed/frustrated, but I will hopefully do it soon. xoxo

Ok Laura.... Take your time and hope you feel better. :)

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I dont know of any that are dairy free/soy free.....but that doesnt mean there arent any.

I dont know if there are any undenatured whey products w/out lactose.

This is what I read..

The one I've been using is 99% undenatured and is lactose-free. It's www.biochem-fitness.com. I bought it at Wild Oats. I bought it because I thought I could use it NOW, I don't like to wait for the mail! But I like it, so I'll stick with what works.

Carla, I have been looking into the Detoxamin. I wonder if you see improvement in the herx when you take this?

Don't know yet .... herx is due sometime late this week. I thought I was starting it because I felt so crummy this morning, but just took some NAC and whey and feel better already.

It doesn't make sense to me that chelating would make you feel better. Chelating releases the metals ... the whey, glutathione, chlorella, etc. detoxes what's chelated .... if herxing is metals being released, it would seem that a chelator is not what you need, rather something to bind and take them out ... just thinking outloud ... err, on the keyboard. It just seems that chelating would add to the problem, it would seem that a glutathione IV would do more good.

Rachel, any scientificness on that thought?

My LLMD has me taking NAC and Alpha Lipoic Acid along with the Detoxamin.

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I'm guessing I'll be doing almost everything....the first ones would be sulfa, then probably autoimmunity and then onto mercury.

I think everyone is different on treatment order. I don't know though. We are still on the toxic group stuff. The first being sulfa. I wonder if the Toxic Focus on her papers (page 2 on what I previously sent you) is direction for treating toxic stuff first. :unsure:

Yeah....this part is just CRAZY! :o

Heck...I think the only time I stayed away from R-ville was when the computer broke last summer and I went missing for a couple days. :huh:

Just get on the computer before your session (unless you're leaving from work). Make sure you leave your phone in your car so you won't be tempted to use it. I believe you can use a landline phone though.......if you have one.

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It doesn't make sense to me that chelating would make you feel better. Chelating releases the metals ... the whey, glutathione, chlorella, etc. detoxes what's chelated .... if herxing is metals being released, it would seem that a chelator is not what you need, rather something to bind and take them out ... just thinking outloud ... err, on the keyboard. It just seems that chelating would add to the problem, it would seem that a glutathione IV would do more good.

Rachel, any scientificness on that thought?

My LLMD has me taking NAC and Alpha Lipoic Acid along with the Detoxamin.

If you have a bunch of metals floating around your body....then yes...a shot of DMPS can very quickly and effectively grab onto those metals and hopefully you can then excrete them.

I think it would grab onto the loose extracellular metals before going into the tissue.

If you're herxing and spilling metals all over the place...anything you take that binds with those metals is gonna make you feel alot better than when they're roaming all over the body getting redistributed.

DMPS is the only true chelator that Dr. K mentioned when he talked about herxing....he was explaining how he knows for sure that the herxes are metals because when he gives the DMPS in the middle of it...the herx immediately stops. It wouldnt stop if it werent being caused by metals since DMPS doesnt do anything for the toxins of dying bugs....it specifically targets metals.

I think since everything else mentioned supports detoxification (i.e. precursers for glutathione) it wouldnt be as much proof of his theory as something like a shot of DMPS.

So when he mentioned the things people should take when herxing....they were all things that would bind with mercury and not necessarily used as chelators.

NAC and whey are glutathione precursers....glutathione isnt considered a true chelator.

NAC (N-acetylcysteine) is a widely available glutathione precursor that has the ability to directly bind and excrete mercury via its single thiol (sulfur atom) as well as support and increase the body's store of glutathione as a precursor.

Thus both glutathione and NAC, though not true chelators, do part of the work that chelators do. True chelators penetrate into the bodies tissues and actually pull the mercury and other heavy metals out of their hidding places. These other "non chelators," which some refer to as chelators, are more effective when the mercury is first entering into the body and or when it is being pulled out of the cells and again being dumped back into the blood.

Clinically it is usually thought that glutathione and glutathione pre-cursers are best utilized in combination with a traditional synthetic chelator like DMPS.

All of those things...including ALA are not used by themselves....they are not effective all on their own. Especially ALA and NAC which can both drag mercury back into the brain....those are the ones that Klinghardt is very catious with. He talked alot about NAC in the interview.

All of these things can help clear all the mercury from the blood and some extracellular areas....after that you'd want a more traditional chelator to pull from the cells.

I dont think DMPS crosses the blood barrier....but ALA can....so thats why they recommend while on ALA....something like DMPS be used in conjunction so that the mercury isnt redistributed back to the brain. ALA is too weak to do the whole job on its own.

I'm guessing since you're killing off bugs and maybe releasing metals (since you do experience herxes)...that the NAC and ALA are binding with those metals...they're not necessarily chelating. ALA could just be moving stuff around from one place to the next....the NAC is capable of the same thing....the protein from diet and from whey would help with this.

The Detoxamin (never heard of it but I did check out your link) seems to contain EDTA. This would likely be a very weak chelator in comparison with other things...so its not likely to overwhelm your system. Dr. K. considers IV EDTA to be weak in comparison to other chelators so I'm guessing a pill would be slower....not really sure though? The Detoxamin is probably very safe but very slow. I dont think EDTA is effective for all forms of mercury....its used primarily for lead but can chelate some mercury as well.

So to answer your question....I dont think you're taking any strong chelators to add to the problem of herxes. The things you're taking are more effective as binders but also should be used with caution since they can drag mercury to other areas by themselves.

This is from Mercola...

NAC appears to be an effective precursor for glutathione which is a potent antixoidant that prevents free radical damage from toxic exposures. It appears that NAC may also be useful in this setting.

I would caution diabetics not to use it routinely however, unless all their mercury is removed from someone who is experienced with mercury detoxification. If mercury is still present in a person's system NAC will bind to it and carry it to the brain, thus worsening brain function. NAC can be used for a mercury removal program, but only late in the program, not early on. This is from Dr. Klinghardt's extensive clincial experience in mercury removal. He is one of the leading clinicians in the world in this area.

Klinghardt discussed NAC and strongly cautioned its use.....he also said he feels Glutathione is highly overrated...he hasnt seen anything to suggest what they're saying about it is true. Basically it hasnt made much of a difference in his patients.

He said he thinks alot of people are using it only because its safe but its not actually doing much unless you were taking it for a very long time. He said its very safe but very slow. he thinks its hyped up too much and for him glutathione has been disappointing in comparison with the other available compounds.

The first caller was from Designs For Health (I think they were doing the interview).....she was upset about his comments on NAC being unsafe and glutathione being ineffective. She said studies have shown them to be effective and to work well....quoted some studies on rats, etc.

He said there was a time they were giving NAC to children and the kids started having seizures....when they were brought to him and he tested them they would have high amounts of mercury in the brain. He would chelate the mercury and the seizures would stop.

He said that this was also shown to be true for rats....so he uses it with extreme caution, only at the right time...with other things... and with the proper foundation of high mineral content, fatty acids, amino acids and detox enzymes. He said with all bases covered its a different ballgame and much safer.

He said NAC is effective but with risks....children are particularly vulnerable...especially when the blood brain barrier hasnt formed yet....(it doesnt develop until 18 months).

He said the decrease in body burden is very slow with NAC and the same with Glutathione.

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I think everyone is different on treatment order. I don't know though. We are still on the toxic group stuff. The first being sulfa. I wonder if the Toxic Focus on her papers (page 2 on what I previously sent you) is direction for treating toxic stuff first. :unsure:

I'm downloading right now....on my slow computer at home. :rolleyes:

From what Gigi told me and from what I read its always starting with sulfa...then autoimmune stuff (I'm guessing T. didnt have autoimmunity problems?)...and then onto the major toxins...usually mercury first.

I think thats how Cowden does it....I'm assuming most practitioners would follow the same order for the most part...and skipping what doesnt need to be covered.

S. said that he actually doesnt think I'm gonna have alot more than him (7)....he said it doesnt work that way from what he's seen.

Maybe because alot of its in groups....I dont really know?? Anyways...I guess we'll find out soon enough. :P

I'm thinking for sure I'll have over 10 and some stuff that needs to be redone....like the mercury and maybe mold toxins.

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Carla....from my previous post I think this explains it best.

These other "non chelators," which some refer to as chelators, are more effective when the mercury is first entering into the body and or when it is being pulled out of the cells and again being dumped back into the blood.

So thats essentially what would be happening if herxing is actually metals being released. They would be released from the cell wall of the microbe and dumped back into the system.

The stuff you're taking would then be effective in binding with it....there is no chelating involved. The main thing would be making sure it leaves the body and doesnt just get dragged somehwere else.

OMG....I *can* do this in less than 500 words. :o

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....he was explaining how he knows for sure that the herxes are metals because when he gives the DMPS in the middle of it...the herx immediately stops. It wouldnt stop if it werent being caused by metals since DMPS doesnt do anything for the toxins of dying bugs....it specifically targets metals.

I'm confused about some of this.

Are the herxes mentioned an all-encompassing ALL herxes or a subset, maybe the worst type of cases, as that's what he more often deals with?

I guess specifically I'm wondering whether my own candida herx is included.

Hmmmmmmm :huh:

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I'm confused about some of this.

Are the herxes mentioned an all-encompassing ALL herxes or a subset, maybe the worst type of cases, as that's what he more often deals with?

I guess specifically I'm wondering whether my own candida herx is included.

Hmmmmmmm :huh:

He's talking about all Herxheimer reactions...or "die-off" when killing any microbes....there is no sub-set.

He links chronic candida infections directly to mercury....so yeah....his belief is that when you kill candida (or other bugs) with an antifungal, antiviral, antiparasitic, antibacterial...whatever kind of treatment....the "die-off" is nothing other than mercury being released from the cell wall of that organism and overwhelming the system.

Obviously the more you kill....the more you would release and the worse you would feel.

Candida is the organism found to have the highest ability to absorb mercury...hence his theory that chronic candida is the immune systems attempt to protect the body from the mercury.

In chronic fungal syndromes, the scientific literature gives only circumstantial evidence that mercury fosters those infections. The most valuable clinical pearls I found in a book written for the mining industry: "Biosorption of Heavy Metals".

To increase the yield of precious metals in old mines, so-called '"biomasses" are sprayed into the mine shaft, washed out with water, and collected on ion exchange membranes. A biomass is a sludge of membranes from usually mono-cellular organisms that have a tendency to accumulate metals that they are exposed to in their outer cell wall.

The list of organisms that have the highest affinity for toxic metals reads like a "who's who" of our typical human infectious diseases: fungi of the candida species, streptococci, staphylococci, amoebas, etc., etc. The list is topped by two algae: chlorella pyeneidosa and chlorella vulgaris (not spirulina blue green algae!):

This list prompted me to state what in Germany is now referred to as the "Klinghardt Axiom": Most - if not all - chronic infectious diseases are not caused by a failure of the immune system, but are a conscious adaptation of the immune system to an otherwise lethal heavy metal environment.

Mercury suffocates the intracellular respiratory mechanism and can cause cell death. So, the immune system makes a deal: it cultivates fungi and bacteria that can bind large amounts of toxic metals. The gain: the cells can breathe. The cost. the system has to provide nutrition for the microorganisms and has to deal with their metabolic products ("toxins").

That does not imply that the tolerated guest cannot grow out of control, as it sometimes clearly does. Therefore, there is still a limited place for antifungal antibacterial treatment - but only for the acute phase of the disease.

A so-called "die-off effect" (the sometimes severe crisis or even lethal reaction a patient can have in the initial stages of aggressive pharmaceutical antifungal or antibacterial treatment) is often nothing else but acute heavy metal toxicity - metals released from the cell walls of dying microorganisms as suggested by my own correlation of clinical syndromes and urinalysis for metals.

Colleagues in Germany are working on a study at this time. Preliminary results show a dramatic improvement in clinical and scientific parameters in chronic Candidiasis using the Klinghardt protocol or heavy metal detoxification.

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When it comes to chronic viral conditions, our evidence is even more circumstantial. There are several articles in the chlorella literature showing remarkable effects on chronic viral illnesses.

Since the chief effect of chlorella is to bind and remove toxic metals, one has to'speculate that the reduced amount of toxic metal load was the curative factor. Clinical experience shows often dramatic improvements of chronic viral illnesses during a metal detox program.

Omura observed that the Japanese that contracted Minimata disease from eating mercury contaminated fish had by far more grave symptoms when they also simultaneously had a chronic viral illness.

I suggest, however, that it is more likely that many mercury toxic patients-not all-tend to contract viral illnesses secondary to the mercury exposure.

In other words, Omura's observation can be interpreted differently: when mercury toxic patients develop these typical secondary viral infections, their prognosis is poor.

Any mercury toxic person is at high risk for chronic viral illnesses. A proper detox program significantly improves the health in these patients (which are really all of us with a history of dental amalgam fillings, and those of us whose mothers had amalgam fillings before conceiving us).

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