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I'm having one of my "woe is me" days feeling sorry for myself and craving the gluten free treats that I've been comforting myself with for the past two years. I'm really achy from the die off and have a headache. I've done good with my diet though . . . plain brown rice cereal for breakfast and ginger chicken with broccoli and carrots for lunch. I'd kill for some gluten-free pizza or chinese food at PF changs right about now. I wish I could do more of the coping mechanisms for the mycotixins . . . I can't take activated charcol because it would negate my pain meds and I'm still recovering from my last surgery and I can't do the detox bath because I have an open wound.

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I'm having one of my "woe is me" days feeling sorry for myself and craving the gluten free treats that I've been comforting myself with for the past two years. I'm really achy from the die off and have a headache. I've done good with my diet though . . . plain brown rice cereal for breakfast and ginger chicken with broccoli and carrots for lunch. I'd kill for some gluten-free pizza or chinese food at PF changs right about now. I wish I could do more of the coping mechanisms for the mycotixins . . . I can't take activated charcol because it would negate my pain meds and I'm still recovering from my last surgery and I can't do the detox bath because I have an open wound.

psipsina,

I get this way too sometimes. I'm so sorry you are not feeling well.

It comes with being toxic, die off, etc. When ever I increase my antifungal dosesages, I sometimes feel this way. It is die off. This is when I hop into the tub and take a detox bath and it makes me feel so much better. Get those toxins and dead skin outta here!! Then, I follow up with a nice cool/warm shower to rinse off the toxins and salt right down the drain!

It seems like you have really done well and know that it takes time to re educate your taste buds and train your body to accept what it gets and not to crave more. You can take the AC 4-6 hours after your pain meds.

I just re read your post and see that you cannot take a detox bath and can't take AC yet. Well, know that eating this way will help the body heal faster. If you don't mind me asking what pain meds are they? Really strong stuff or OTC meds.

I have heard that some people detox with just soaking their feet. I don't think that is enough surface area to help the liver but maybe if you can soak your legs in the tub with epsom salts, baking soda, h2o2, and potassium salts it would be better than nothing????

Hang in there and know that each 24 hr. period since the surgery things get better and better. I remember my first 2 days being the worst and then things really got better fast.

moldlady :-)

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psipsina,

I get this way too sometimes. I'm so sorry you are not feeling well.

It comes with being toxic, die off, etc. When ever I increase my antifungal dosesages, I sometimes feel this way. It is die off. This is when I hop into the tub and take a detox bath and it makes me feel so much better. Get those toxins and dead skin outta here!! Then, I follow up with a nice cool/warm shower to rinse off the toxins and salt right down the drain!

It seems like you have really done well and know that it takes time to re educate your taste buds and train your body to accept what it gets and not to crave more. You can take the AC 4-6 hours after your pain meds.

I just re read your post and see that you cannot take a detox bath and can't take AC yet. Well, know that eating this way will help the body heal faster. If you don't mind me asking what pain meds are they? Really strong stuff or OTC meds.

I have heard that some people detox with just soaking their feet. I don't think that is enough surface area to help the liver but maybe if you can soak your legs in the tub with epsom salts, baking soda, h2o2, and potassium salts it would be better than nothing????

Hang in there and know that each 24 hr. period since the surgery things get better and better. I remember my first 2 days being the worst and then things really got better fast.

moldlady :-)

I've had 5 surgeries since last may and they left an open wound with a drain in it the last time. Hopefully they will be closing me up in march with one last surgery but until then I'm stuck on perscription narcotics. I cut the pills in half as much as possible but I have to take them every 4-6 hours. Its frustrating because I know that the pain meds are bad for the candida but there isn't much I can do about it. When this started and I had to start taking massive doses of antibiotics I knew I was going to have to rebalance my gut when this was over and I kept putting it off until it was done but it keeps getting dragged out with one more surgery. I've realized that I just need to deal with it now because the candida is probably making it even harder for my body to heal. Its really hard not to comfort myself with foods since I'm in pain and dealing with the psychological issues of being so sick and being afraid of the surgeries.

The biggest irony is that the whole reason I'm sick is because of my allergies. On my ND's recommendation I did a gluten tolerance test in april to see if it was really an allergy after having it eliminated for a while and thats when everything went horribly downhill. Over the past two years I've gotten myself to a point where I wasn't feeling deprived with my gluten free yeast free diet but going on the candida diet has me feeling deprived again. That mixed with the pain and the die off just has me bummed out today. Hopefully tomorrow will be better.

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I've had 5 surgeries since last may and they left an open wound with a drain in it the last time. Hopefully they will be closing me up in march with one last surgery but until then I'm stuck on perscription narcotics. I cut the pills in half as much as possible but I have to take them every 4-6 hours. Its frustrating because I know that the pain meds are bad for the candida but there isn't much I can do about it. When this started and I had to start taking massive doses of antibiotics I knew I was going to have to rebalance my gut when this was over and I kept putting it off until it was done but it keeps getting dragged out with one more surgery. I've realized that I just need to deal with it now because the candida is probably making it even harder for my body to heal. Its really hard not to comfort myself with foods since I'm in pain and dealing with the psychological issues of being so sick and being afraid of the surgeries.

The biggest irony is that the whole reason I'm sick is because of my allergies. On my ND's recommendation I did a gluten tolerance test in april to see if it was really an allergy after having it eliminated for a while and thats when everything went horribly downhill. Over the past two years I've gotten myself to a point where I wasn't feeling deprived with my gluten free yeast free diet but going on the candida diet has me feeling deprived again. That mixed with the pain and the die off just has me bummed out today. Hopefully tomorrow will be better.

I'm so sorry that you have had to go through so many surgeries and they have left one of them open to drain.

I think you have figured out what you must do to be well in the eating department. Listen to your body and I will pray that you will have record healing time and maybe you can avoid that last surgery.

I just talked to a fellow today that was very encouraging. Last year the doctor told him he was in congestive heart failure and will need a pace maker and possibly more soon. Well, he changed his ways and just got his check up this week. The doctor couldn't believe the results. The heart is stronger than ever and he doesn't need the pacemakter. This fellow basically did only one thing different. He changed his diet to all plant based. He doesn't even know about the plants we should avoid and it worked for him. He was very happy to say the least. Very few men are willing to change but I guess he was scared.

God Bless and please keep us posted on your progress,

moldlady :)

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Moldlady,

I want to go towards more plant based but I have a hard time staying full without a protein at every meal. I do eat way more veggies at each meal and only a smigen of meat. Plus I need cooking ideas. Hey, maybe i'll get a book from the library on vegetarian cooking! :)

psipsina,

Sorry about all of that surgery! Gosh that sounds scary and hard to deal with on top of candida diet. I think eating this well will help your body to heal faster. Candida can cause slow wound healing. So keep that in mind when you feel like cheating!! :P

I have to remind myself A LOT because I get this mentality that "one night" won't hurt.

It took me about 2 weeks on a strict diet for the cravings to diminish. The candida can cause VERY strong cravings. Plus leaky gut causes the food proteins to leak through into the blood stream. The body releases opoid responses which is like an opium type craving in the body. Not sure if you have leaky gut or not, but just a thought.

You will feel good once you get past that point.

I hope you don't have to have another surgery.

April

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I'm so sorry that you have had to go through so many surgeries and they have left one of them open to drain.

I think you have figured out what you must do to be well in the eating department. Listen to your body and I will pray that you will have record healing time and maybe you can avoid that last surgery.

I just talked to a fellow today that was very encouraging. Last year the doctor told him he was in congestive heart failure and will need a pace maker and possibly more soon. Well, he changed his ways and just got his check up this week. The doctor couldn't believe the results. The heart is stronger than ever and he doesn't need the pacemakter. This fellow basically did only one thing different. He changed his diet to all plant based. He doesn't even know about the plants we should avoid and it worked for him. He was very happy to say the least. Very few men are willing to change but I guess he was scared.

God Bless and please keep us posted on your progress,

moldlady :)

Thank you!! I know that this is worth the effort. Two years ago I could barely use my hands from athritis. I was quite distressed because I am in medical school with the dream of becoming a surgeon! My rheumatologist wanted to put me on an immune suppressant that had lymphoma as a major side effect which is what my father died at 50 years old of. I was terrified of the medicine and I started doing some reading. I read in the journal of rheumatology about how people going on gluten free diets have great results with their arthritis and so I asked her about it. She refused to acknowledge the possibility that my inflammation could be because of food allergies. Thats when I started seeing a naturopathic doctor and had such great results. I caught alot of slack from my primary care doc and the rheumatologist for seeing him but it worked and you just can't deny that. I've read alot about it and the scientific basis makes perfect sense so I don't understand why it isn't acknowledged by western medicine. Even with my relapse post antibiotics my hands haven't swollen up again .. . just a small ache and some brain fog. I don't want to let it get any further though. Thanks for listening to me. Its so hard when no one around you in "real" life has gone thru this severe diet and all the die off symptoms. Its nice to have someone to talk to who understands.

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Moldlady,

I want to go towards more plant based but I have a hard time staying full without a protein at every meal. I do eat way more veggies at each meal and only a smigen of meat. Plus I need cooking ideas. Hey, maybe i'll get a book from the library on vegetarian cooking! :)

psipsina,

Sorry about all of that surgery! Gosh that sounds scary and hard to deal with on top of candida diet. I think eating this well will help your body to heal faster. Candida can cause slow wound healing. So keep that in mind when you feel like cheating!! :P

I have to remind myself A LOT because I get this mentality that "one night" won't hurt.

It took me about 2 weeks on a strict diet for the cravings to diminish. The candida can cause VERY strong cravings. Plus leaky gut causes the food proteins to leak through into the blood stream. The body releases opoid responses which is like an opium type craving in the body. Not sure if you have leaky gut or not, but just a thought.

You will feel good once you get past that point.

I hope you don't have to have another surgery.

April

The ND I was seeing said that I probably do have leaky gut and he thought that is the origin of all of my food sensitivities. He said that the gluten and the yeast reactions were so strong that my body will probably always be sensitive even if I do get my gut all healed up. Even though I know the narcotics aren't a healthy thing to be on they have helped the cravings a bit I think because they fulfill the opiate cravings. Its definitely not as bad as it was the first time I did this . . . probably also because the candida hasn't been overgrowing for years this time.

Has anyone heard of using colostrum for healing leaky gut? I read about it somewhere and I bought some but I haven't taken any because I'm afraid it will feed the candida since its dairy. I'm thinking maybe once I'm done with the candida I'll try that to try and accelerate healing. I am lactose intolerant but am fine if I take lactaid with dairy. I'm also unsure of how long I need to do the candida diet for. The last time I was doing it I was seeing a ND who was doing stool samples to measure the candida but I can't afford all those lab tests this time around (and I don't know anyone in the area who does them) especially since I already know all the supplements to take etc. I've heard about the spit test but I'm not sure how accurate it is. I was planning on doing 6 weeks really really strict on the carbs and then adding in a bit more carbs (some rice probably) and some sheep/goat dairy for 6 more weeks and then adding in some fruit for 6 more weeks after that before I have any sweetners and gluten-free baked goods. I'm also not sure if I should keep up some antifungals (maybe raw garlic) forever even when I'm sure I've killed off the candida.

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Thank you!! I know that this is worth the effort. Two years ago I could barely use my hands from athritis. I was quite distressed because I am in medical school with the dream of becoming a surgeon! My rheumatologist wanted to put me on an immune suppressant that had lymphoma as a major side effect which is what my father died at 50 years old of. I was terrified of the medicine and I started doing some reading. I read in the journal of rheumatology about how people going on gluten free diets have great results with their arthritis and so I asked her about it. She refused to acknowledge the possibility that my inflammation could be because of food allergies. Thats when I started seeing a naturopathic doctor and had such great results. I caught alot of slack from my primary care doc and the rheumatologist for seeing him but it worked and you just can't deny that. I've read alot about it and the scientific basis makes perfect sense so I don't understand why it isn't acknowledged by western medicine. Even with my relapse post antibiotics my hands haven't swollen up again .. . just a small ache and some brain fog. I don't want to let it get any further though. Thanks for listening to me. Its so hard when no one around you in "real" life has gone thru this severe diet and all the die off symptoms. Its nice to have someone to talk to who understands.

psipsina,

I posted 5 or 6 recipes on one of these threads that had to do with candida. Maybe you can find them? Is there a way to search all of my posts to find it easier? I have plenty more but I don't want to bore people. If you get really desperate give me a private email in the p.m. part of this and I will send you a ton of stuff if you are interested. :)

moldlady :)

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psipsina,

Wow, you are studying to be a surgeon. And it's great you have found that there are a lot of illnesses that are healed through alternative measures. What a great knowledge you will have to pass on to your patients. Just too bad that you have had to go through this much to learn it.

I agree with you that sometimes mainstream medical does not recognize that our results cannot always be measure or recognized by their "standards". Sometimes results speak for themselves. I wish more would recognize that.

When I went gluten free - without testing - and felt so much better, people did not want to believe me. I didn't feel I needed a test to tell me how i felt. I got a lot of grief for it. I would say to people, if you felt bad after eating strawberries, you wouldn't eat strawberries. So, this is the same thing, just a different food.

My ND gave my mother in law an "anti-inflammatory diet" that you might benefit from. It's good for candida too. No gluten, soy, tomatoes, sugar, dairy, or potatoes. This is supposed to help reduce inflammation in the body.

Leaky gut can be healed with L-Glutamine. Colostrum helps this and the immune system as well. I did take it for a while. I cannot do dairy at all and did not have a problem with this. I think its because its "mothers first milk". It is the most digestible form. It would be a good idea to get on L-glut or something similar to heal leaky gut as soon as you can. That will greatly reduce your symptoms and reactions. I did a lot of research on colostrum for my cousin who was in a car accident and was paralyzed. I read it can help regenerate nerves and healing. He chose not to take it because he only wanted to rely on the mainstream medical - and as a result he is still paralyzed. Oh well, what can you do.

I am not sure you would necessarily need the lab test for candida unless you found you were not getting better on the diet and antifungals. However, you may eventually need to look at underlying causes. Candida doesn't just "happen". The immune system is most of the time comprimised by another cause allowing the candida to take over.

April

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psipsina,

Wow, you are studying to be a surgeon. And it's great you have found that there are a lot of illnesses that are healed through alternative measures. What a great knowledge you will have to pass on to your patients. Just too bad that you have had to go through this much to learn it.

I agree with you that sometimes mainstream medical does not recognize that our results cannot always be measure or recognized by their "standards". Sometimes results speak for themselves. I wish more would recognize that.

When I went gluten free - without testing - and felt so much better, people did not want to believe me. I didn't feel I needed a test to tell me how i felt. I got a lot of grief for it. I would say to people, if you felt bad after eating strawberries, you wouldn't eat strawberries. So, this is the same thing, just a different food.

My ND gave my mother in law an "anti-inflammatory diet" that you might benefit from. It's good for candida too. No gluten, soy, tomatoes, sugar, dairy, or potatoes. This is supposed to help reduce inflammation in the body.

Leaky gut can be healed with L-Glutamine. Colostrum helps this and the immune system as well. I did take it for a while. I cannot do dairy at all and did not have a problem with this. I think its because its "mothers first milk". It is the most digestible form. It would be a good idea to get on L-glut or something similar to heal leaky gut as soon as you can. That will greatly reduce your symptoms and reactions. I did a lot of research on colostrum for my cousin who was in a car accident and was paralyzed. I read it can help regenerate nerves and healing. He chose not to take it because he only wanted to rely on the mainstream medical - and as a result he is still paralyzed. Oh well, what can you do.

I am not sure you would necessarily need the lab test for candida unless you found you were not getting better on the diet and antifungals. However, you may eventually need to look at underlying causes. Candida doesn't just "happen". The immune system is most of the time comprimised by another cause allowing the candida to take over.

April

I'm pretty sure I know what precipitated this both times. The first was when I got an awful case of sub-lingual tonsilitis in early high school . . . I took a ton of antibiotics and had an awful diet at the time and I remember all of my bad symptoms coming on right after that. . . it was almost like my whole personality changed suddenly too. I didn't realise what was going on for years until I got arthritis in my hands and I started doing some reading and realised that all of my symptoms were explained by food sensitivities.

I had it under control but then during my first year in medical school my cadaver got moldy. We didn't realize it because it was on his back and we were working on his head for about 6 weeks straight. I had these colds I couldn't kick and I couldn't figure out why until I saw that mold creeping up on the body's arms. A week later I was hospitalized with as severe kidney infection and had to go on massive antibiotics. I was so overwhelmed trying to keep up with my schoolwork that I did a half way shoddy job of making sure that the candida didn't come back. I didn't do a hard core diet and I don't think the antifungal I was using was a good one and I didn't start with the antifungal and the probiotics right away like I should have. I thought I had it under control and then I got glutened (it was actually on purpose to see if it was a true allergy . . . man do I feel stupid for that) and then I got an internal abscess. My surgeon says that they usually only see that in someone who is immunocompromised. That lead to 5 surgeries and months and months of multiple antibiotics. I don't think its too bad right now . . . I'm just a bit brain foggy and achy but I'm trying to go super strict and really fight to rebalance my GI system before it gets any farther. I also learned that if I'm in situations that might expose me to mold I have to wear a respirator and not be embarrassed by trying to be tough. I'm sure I'll have to work with cadavers again so this was an important lesson to learn. I do want to get tested for heavy metal toxicity and to see an allergist once I'm finally healed up to make sure there is no other underlying problems. I do have metal fillings but there is no way I could afford to have them redone right now since I have zero income other than student loans and no dental insurance.

Thanks for the info about the colostrum and the L-Glutamine. I'm going to give them a try! My husband makes fun of me because sometimes I buy these expensive supplements and then never use them . . . its like I have an herbal pharmacy in my kitchen lol. Also interesting about the anti-inflammatory diet. I take rheu-tox for my hands still and I try to eat naturally anti inflammatory stuff like fish oils and olive oils. The only food you listed above that I do eat is tomatoes but not too much. I'm thinking that whenever I'm done with the hardcore phase of this diet I'm going to try not to start up with the potatoes again. I do eat soy sauce but I don't think I can make myself give that up forever. Sushi and gluten-free chinese are my happy thoughts!!

I do feel like I've learned soooo much about being a better doctor from this crazy experience. I wish there was some easier way to learn it though! I've learned alot about bedside manner . . . how much small gestures can mean and how frustrating it can be when your not being listened to. I also have a strong interest in complementary medicine that I'm not sure I would have pursued without this experience. My ND tried to get me to go to naturopathic medical school rather than allopathic but I do believe there is a place and a need for surgeons. The way I look at it is that wester medicine is great for acute situations and eastern medicine is great for all of the chronic conditions that western medicine fails to deal with.

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Yeah, that is creepy!!!

Psipina,

Have you tried Tamari? The wheat free version of soy sauce? That is what I use in place. It's good!

Sounds like a lot of cascading events leading up to this.....hope you get it figured out and resolved. One day look into having those fillings removed. That is exposing you to mercury on a daily basis. That might be one of the reasons that your immune was so comprimised so that the yeast could take over.

The anti-yeast diet and anti-inflammatory diet will help in the meantime.

April

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I agree with April that the heavy metals are really an issue. I've found that green juicing has really helped and does not have many side effects at least that I have noticed. It is a lot of work but well worth it!

ML :)

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I agree with April that the heavy metals are really an issue. I've found that green juicing has really helped and does not have many side effects at least that I have noticed. It is a lot of work but well worth it!

ML :)

OMG I've been lusting after a juicer!! That and a stand mixer to help me make gluten-free breads. I saw a show on Martha where they were talking about the health benefits of green juicing and I've been dying for one ever since! I hate that I even let them put these metal fillings in. My teeth are really bad (I think its from the candida because I'm very good about oral hygiene and I still got tons of cavities) and the first dentist I saw wanted to put in all these metal fillings first and then replace them with porcelain crowns one at a time. She did half of my mouth (she did do any front teeth with the white amalgam stuff) and then I had to switch dentists because of insurance and he did the other half all in the white amalgam and said there is no reason to use the metal stuff. I've never had enough money to replace all those metal fillings with crowns and it is soo frustrating. I hope to be able to do one at a time when I've recovered and am contributing income to the house again but I've been so sick that my poor husband has been paying all my medical bills on top of all our normal bills all by himself so dental work is out of the question. I still need my wisdom teeth out which is a whole different issue altogether.

I've been doing much better today. I was reading about probiotics on here last night and I went to the store to get the trinity stuff that everyone is raving about and I got some coconut oil to cook with so I'm excited about that. I love the days when I go to the health food store because it totally re-inspires me to pick out tons of fresh produce. Its also really pretty outside (like 70 degrees!!) so that always cheers me up. I have the windows open for sunshine and fresh air!

Oh and yes the moldy cadaver was quite disturbing to say the least!! When I realized what was making me sick I totally had to nag my proffessors to get it fixed too . . . they didn't even understand how much damage mold could do to someone with allergies!! They just thought I was upset because it smelled bad!?!

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What all do you put in your green juice?

paula

Hi Paula,

I must tell you that I'm pretty lazy about preparing the veggies for juicing. If I can find them already washed and cut up I do. I have a heavy duty champion juicer for this.

parsley

lemon (peeling off)

garlic clove

spinach

romaine lettuce

celery

brocc. carrot cabbage mix shredded

granny smith apple

radishes 2

cucumber

ginger ...just a bit

Then I mix it up and taste. If it needs something you can add a bit of stevia or agave if you need it. Sometimes I add a bit of V8 if it needs more liquid. I kinda just wing it and do a handful of each one of these. I have one glass immediately. Store another in the frig for the next day and freeze the rest. That way, I don't have to be juicing everyday as it is a big job.

It does have a kick to it :)

moldlady :)

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Here's a green juice I like

spinach

celery

juice of 1/2 lime and 1/2 lemon

1 green apple

cucumber

parsley

when you have it add some zucchini, or brocolli stems, or kale stems - whatever green you have on hand.

Then I do this one:

carrot

beet

ginger

garlic

For the kids:

carrot

apple

slice of beet

Also, when I steam brocolli, I keep the stems for juicing. Same with kale.

I try to always buy organic when juicing.

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Thanks for the juicing recipes, i use to do apples and carrots in the morning, or whatever i had on hand, but i never tried greens so this will be interesting.

I have a few questions:

1. what can i do for the nasuea, i woke up so sick to my stomach and with alot of die off down below and it is driving me nuts.

2. and do blueberries turn ur BM's black, i havent started teh charcoal yet, but been eating blueberries, so im hoping that is why its black now lol.

paula

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Thanks for the juicing recipes, i use to do apples and carrots in the morning, or whatever i had on hand, but i never tried greens so this will be interesting.

I have a few questions:

1. what can i do for the nasuea, i woke up so sick to my stomach and with alot of die off down below and it is driving me nuts.

2. and do blueberries turn ur BM's black, i havent started teh charcoal yet, but been eating blueberries, so im hoping that is why its black now lol.

paula

Ginger is naturally anti-nausea. I keep ginger root to cook with or to make tea with. I have a tea ball I use but you can just strain out the chunks with a spoon if you don't have one when its done brewing. It works on the same principal as ginger ale but without all the sugar to feed the natsies in your GI tract. I hope you feel better soon! :)

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psipsina,

Yes, the ginger is great for the nausea and everything else that goes with it. It really calms the inflammation.

Paula,

Depending on what is causing the nausea maybe some probiotics too. If you had die off then getting the good guys back in there would be a good thing.

Blueberries will make a little bit black here and there depending on how much you ate??? The AC will be very black no question.

April,

All good recipes for juicing. I too will find things here and there and throw them in too. :) I hate throwing away good food!! :)

moldlady :)

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Thanks for the tips on the naseua, im sure its die off cause i know im not pg lol.

I guess i better try to pry my body from this bed and go get some probotics, i wish they delivered. Im feeling so sick its not even funny.

paula

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Ok im feeling so much better now I took an nice long epson bath and now im so energized and driving my husband crazy, he asked what i did in that tub lol. I then ate some blueberries and feel even better, does this mean this herx is about to leave me.

I was also wondering when i can start phase 2 of the candida diet. I wasnt sure if it was after 3 weeks or 6 weeks, since all websites are different.

I just want to thank you all for helping me feel better. I sitll havent got any probotics of charcoal cause today was not a good day, i went out to go to the store and i had a flat tire, but once i take kids to school tommorow i will go shopping.

paula

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Paula,

Thanks for that link. It is good to know that processed anything may have some side effects if we do too much of it. I backed way off stevia about 3 months ago and just learned to eat/drink things without. Going back to just the natural taste. I also use a bit of agave here and there just to get something bitter down the hatch. :)

moldlady :)

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Hey Paula, glad you are feeling better. Sounds like you were having a lot of toxic buildup. Glad the bath worked. You might try that anytime you aren't feeling so good.

I don't know about the length of time with phases, but since you are still herxing, I would say you need to be on it a bit longer.

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