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Should I Stop Eating Ice Cream If It Gives Me "d" ?

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I know gluten will cause permanent damage, but if ice cream only upsets my stomach a little, why not eat it ? :ph34r:


Jan 1990 - Dx CFS/ME/FM (URI's, Ataxia, myoclonus, orthostatic hypotension, insomnia, brain fog, swollen lymph nodes, sore throat... ) Completely Disabled (housebound and bedridden at times)

2004 - Digestive pain all the time.

May 2004 - Hiatal hernia, erosive gastritis, gastroparesis (endoscopy)

August 2004 - Colon polyps, diverticulitus, internal hemorrhoids (colonoscopy)

No relief from Nexium, Prilosec, Protonix, Zelnorm, Miralax, Imodium, Lomotil ...

July 2005 - GP recommended WFDFSFEFCF + vegan (Also, anything that hurts free)

Immediately stopped needing naps and digestive pain reduced.

Sept 2005 - GFDFCFSFEF + chemical free - Immediately stopped feeling jittery / buzzing and digestive issues were much better.

June 2006 - Dx B12 and iron deficient. Started B12 injections and using cast iron pan.

August 2006 - MYOCLONUS GONE. (off Klonopin)

September 2006 - ATAXIA, INSOMNIA and Feeling like the floor was moving under my feet gone.

June 19, 2007 - Positive DQ2, Dx Celiac

October 2007 - Sleeping like a baby, waking up with energy, but still having fatigue/stamina issues

Nov 2007 - Started Paleo diet for chronic hypoglycemia

April 2008 - GTT normal. I'm no longer hypoglycemic. Started Low oxalate diet for kidney stones.

May 1, 2008 - Began salt loading for OI/NMH - noticed immediately muscle weakness was gone. I was sodium deficient but my labs don't reflect it. Still working on OI and PEM.

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If you're casein sensitive, then you'd need to stay away from it ... but if you're not, a little d wouldn't bother me too much!! I get it from a cup of coffee, but I still drink coffee once a week or so!! ;)


gluten-free 12/05

diagnosed with Lyme Disease 12/06

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Hi Carla,

Thanks for replying ...

I'm a little sensitive to dairy, but all my sensitivities are beginning to lessen. I added back chocolate, tomatoes, etc a couple of months ago.

I don't think anything else is happening to my body other than the "D", but I thought maybe the "D" meant I should avoid that food anyway.

Is "D" or "C" our bodies most obvious way of telling us to stay away from certain foods ? Or is it just a digestive symptom that if I can live with it, I can ignore it ? :)


Jan 1990 - Dx CFS/ME/FM (URI's, Ataxia, myoclonus, orthostatic hypotension, insomnia, brain fog, swollen lymph nodes, sore throat... ) Completely Disabled (housebound and bedridden at times)

2004 - Digestive pain all the time.

May 2004 - Hiatal hernia, erosive gastritis, gastroparesis (endoscopy)

August 2004 - Colon polyps, diverticulitus, internal hemorrhoids (colonoscopy)

No relief from Nexium, Prilosec, Protonix, Zelnorm, Miralax, Imodium, Lomotil ...

July 2005 - GP recommended WFDFSFEFCF + vegan (Also, anything that hurts free)

Immediately stopped needing naps and digestive pain reduced.

Sept 2005 - GFDFCFSFEF + chemical free - Immediately stopped feeling jittery / buzzing and digestive issues were much better.

June 2006 - Dx B12 and iron deficient. Started B12 injections and using cast iron pan.

August 2006 - MYOCLONUS GONE. (off Klonopin)

September 2006 - ATAXIA, INSOMNIA and Feeling like the floor was moving under my feet gone.

June 19, 2007 - Positive DQ2, Dx Celiac

October 2007 - Sleeping like a baby, waking up with energy, but still having fatigue/stamina issues

Nov 2007 - Started Paleo diet for chronic hypoglycemia

April 2008 - GTT normal. I'm no longer hypoglycemic. Started Low oxalate diet for kidney stones.

May 1, 2008 - Began salt loading for OI/NMH - noticed immediately muscle weakness was gone. I was sodium deficient but my labs don't reflect it. Still working on OI and PEM.

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I know gluten will cause permanent damage, but if ice cream only upsets my stomach a little, why not eat it ? :ph34r:

a little D wont be too bad but what if you get glutend on accident ( double dose) and i worry with D you can suffer from dehydration. once in a while is suppose but be carefull! ;)


married with 3 boys, maclain, dylan and finlay. symptoms for more than 10 years but only diagnosed may 06. lactose and casien intolerant may 06.

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I ate some of my daughter's Breyer's mint chocolate chip. This is gluten free, right ?

I didn't have any stomach pains. Just a little "D". :D


Jan 1990 - Dx CFS/ME/FM (URI's, Ataxia, myoclonus, orthostatic hypotension, insomnia, brain fog, swollen lymph nodes, sore throat... ) Completely Disabled (housebound and bedridden at times)

2004 - Digestive pain all the time.

May 2004 - Hiatal hernia, erosive gastritis, gastroparesis (endoscopy)

August 2004 - Colon polyps, diverticulitus, internal hemorrhoids (colonoscopy)

No relief from Nexium, Prilosec, Protonix, Zelnorm, Miralax, Imodium, Lomotil ...

July 2005 - GP recommended WFDFSFEFCF + vegan (Also, anything that hurts free)

Immediately stopped needing naps and digestive pain reduced.

Sept 2005 - GFDFCFSFEF + chemical free - Immediately stopped feeling jittery / buzzing and digestive issues were much better.

June 2006 - Dx B12 and iron deficient. Started B12 injections and using cast iron pan.

August 2006 - MYOCLONUS GONE. (off Klonopin)

September 2006 - ATAXIA, INSOMNIA and Feeling like the floor was moving under my feet gone.

June 19, 2007 - Positive DQ2, Dx Celiac

October 2007 - Sleeping like a baby, waking up with energy, but still having fatigue/stamina issues

Nov 2007 - Started Paleo diet for chronic hypoglycemia

April 2008 - GTT normal. I'm no longer hypoglycemic. Started Low oxalate diet for kidney stones.

May 1, 2008 - Began salt loading for OI/NMH - noticed immediately muscle weakness was gone. I was sodium deficient but my labs don't reflect it. Still working on OI and PEM.

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I know gluten will cause permanent damage, but if ice cream only upsets my stomach a little, why not eat it ? :ph34r:

Do you know if it's lactose intolerance or casein sensitivity? For lactose intolerance, you could try Lactaid with ice cream (gluten free ice cream of course;) ). According to the manufacturer's website, "LACTAID® Fast Act caplets and LACTAID® Original strength caplets do not contain gluten."

Michelle

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Are your sensitivities lessening because you're not eating as much of the food item? If you are casein intolerant, it is permanent like gluten intolerance is. If you're just lactose intolerant, then it would just be discomfort you are choosing to live with. You might take some lactaid next time you consume dairy. If it's lactose intolerance, it will help; if it's casein intolerance, it will not.

That flavor should be gluten-free, but I am not familiar with the ingredients in that particular brand since I can't eat ice cream anyway. But, that flavor would normally be gluten-free.


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diagnosed with Lyme Disease 12/06

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I don't know if it is a casein intolerance or lactose intolerance. I didn't have any tests. Dumb doctors :P

My stomach had stopped digesting anything last year and that is how I found out about food allergies and gluten.

My stomach has healed quite a bit this past year and now I am in the process of adding back foods to see what I can handle. And the ice cream was calling my name. :D

I will try the lactaid this afternoon. As long as you are twisting my arm to try the ice cream again :D:D


Jan 1990 - Dx CFS/ME/FM (URI's, Ataxia, myoclonus, orthostatic hypotension, insomnia, brain fog, swollen lymph nodes, sore throat... ) Completely Disabled (housebound and bedridden at times)

2004 - Digestive pain all the time.

May 2004 - Hiatal hernia, erosive gastritis, gastroparesis (endoscopy)

August 2004 - Colon polyps, diverticulitus, internal hemorrhoids (colonoscopy)

No relief from Nexium, Prilosec, Protonix, Zelnorm, Miralax, Imodium, Lomotil ...

July 2005 - GP recommended WFDFSFEFCF + vegan (Also, anything that hurts free)

Immediately stopped needing naps and digestive pain reduced.

Sept 2005 - GFDFCFSFEF + chemical free - Immediately stopped feeling jittery / buzzing and digestive issues were much better.

June 2006 - Dx B12 and iron deficient. Started B12 injections and using cast iron pan.

August 2006 - MYOCLONUS GONE. (off Klonopin)

September 2006 - ATAXIA, INSOMNIA and Feeling like the floor was moving under my feet gone.

June 19, 2007 - Positive DQ2, Dx Celiac

October 2007 - Sleeping like a baby, waking up with energy, but still having fatigue/stamina issues

Nov 2007 - Started Paleo diet for chronic hypoglycemia

April 2008 - GTT normal. I'm no longer hypoglycemic. Started Low oxalate diet for kidney stones.

May 1, 2008 - Began salt loading for OI/NMH - noticed immediately muscle weakness was gone. I was sodium deficient but my labs don't reflect it. Still working on OI and PEM.

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Hi Carla,

Thanks for replying ...

I'm a little sensitive to dairy, but all my sensitivities are beginning to lessen. I added back chocolate, tomatoes, etc a couple of months ago.

I don't think anything else is happening to my body other than the "D", but I thought maybe the "D" meant I should avoid that food anyway.

Is "D" or "C" our bodies most obvious way of telling us to stay away from certain foods ? Or is it just a digestive symptom that if I can live with it, I can ignore it ? :)

When you say your dairy sensitivity is lessening, do you mean your D is happening less and less? Your question is hard to answer. Its really impossible to say. D is telling you something--it is stimulating your GI tract to shoot the dairy through quickly. Impaired digestion in the small intestine can send sugars, proteins etc. into the colon, which, when not broken down, can cause D. So, that is one potential for dairy causing your D. I would experiment to try and gather more info. Have you tried taking any lactaid enzyme type supplements with the dairy? If that makes a significant difference, than it is more likely to be lactose intolerance. Most people become lactose intolerant to some degree as they get older, but you may gain some of this ability to digest milk as your intestines continue to heal. (However, if you've been gluten-free for a long time, this is probably less likely to happen...) If not, perhaps it is a casein intolerance. Keep a food journal, pay good attention to make sure you aren't missing other symptoms/reactions as well. If it is a casein intolerance I'd steer clear. Either way, I'd eat it in moderation if at all. Its certaining not adding benefit to your diet, system. These areas aren't always clear, so you need to do as much "research" as you can, then use your discernment as to where this falls.


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Jen

Indianapolis, IN

gluten-free since Feb 2005

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I had completely eliminated dairy, corn, wheat, eggs, etc so that I could see what was causing my symptoms. And now I am adding foods back.

When I say less sensitive, I just mean I am not having stomach cramps anymore. My stomach was spasming immediately last year whenever I ate dairy. Or soy.

My bm's have been completely normal most of the time for several months now.

I've been drinking Kefir for about 6 months now and I am doing fine with it, so I wanted to try a different form of dairy. And the ice cream seemed like just as good as any place to start. :D


Jan 1990 - Dx CFS/ME/FM (URI's, Ataxia, myoclonus, orthostatic hypotension, insomnia, brain fog, swollen lymph nodes, sore throat... ) Completely Disabled (housebound and bedridden at times)

2004 - Digestive pain all the time.

May 2004 - Hiatal hernia, erosive gastritis, gastroparesis (endoscopy)

August 2004 - Colon polyps, diverticulitus, internal hemorrhoids (colonoscopy)

No relief from Nexium, Prilosec, Protonix, Zelnorm, Miralax, Imodium, Lomotil ...

July 2005 - GP recommended WFDFSFEFCF + vegan (Also, anything that hurts free)

Immediately stopped needing naps and digestive pain reduced.

Sept 2005 - GFDFCFSFEF + chemical free - Immediately stopped feeling jittery / buzzing and digestive issues were much better.

June 2006 - Dx B12 and iron deficient. Started B12 injections and using cast iron pan.

August 2006 - MYOCLONUS GONE. (off Klonopin)

September 2006 - ATAXIA, INSOMNIA and Feeling like the floor was moving under my feet gone.

June 19, 2007 - Positive DQ2, Dx Celiac

October 2007 - Sleeping like a baby, waking up with energy, but still having fatigue/stamina issues

Nov 2007 - Started Paleo diet for chronic hypoglycemia

April 2008 - GTT normal. I'm no longer hypoglycemic. Started Low oxalate diet for kidney stones.

May 1, 2008 - Began salt loading for OI/NMH - noticed immediately muscle weakness was gone. I was sodium deficient but my labs don't reflect it. Still working on OI and PEM.

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Enterolab tests for casein intolerance. Dr. Fine said that casein intolerance is linked to autoimmune disease, but this whole area hasn't been studied anywhere near as much as gluten intolerance. So, I think the short answer is, no one really knows. But personally, after having acquired 2 autoimmune diseases because of this stuff... I'm listening to what my body is telling me (for the most part, I'm not perfect).

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If you're handling kifir okay, I'd guess that it's lactose intolerance, but it's something you need to explore a bit more.


gluten-free 12/05

diagnosed with Lyme Disease 12/06

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Thanks for all your replies. But, I am still wondering if dairy can be contributing to other symptoms I am having. And the "D" is my body's way of telling me it is bad for me. :blink:

I have been looking into foods that cause brain fog lately and found this article : Sorry it is so long, but I didn't want ya'll to miss any of this :unsure:

Food Allergies and Depression

From Ron Hoggan M.A. & James Braly M.D.

How Modern Eating Habits May Contribute to Depression

The causes of depression may vary as much as our individuality, yet we often fail to consider our eating habits as possible culprits.

With each passing year's increased understanding of the biological complexities of the human animal, more data suggesting dietary factors are unveiled.

The use of drugs such as SSRIs (selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors) and herbal extracts such as St. John's Wort (1, 2, 3) and 5-hydroxytryptophan (4) to manipulate quantities of serotonin at the synapses within the brain has demonstrated that available serotonin beyond the blood brain barrier (BBB) is an important factor in alleviating depression for many people.

The brand name of one such drug, Prozac, has become a household word in our North American culture.

Protein, if consumed in excessive quantity, suppresses CNS serotonin levels.

Carbohydrate intake, as well as alcohol and cocaine abuse increase levels initially, but if use is chronic, such use dramatically lowers CNS serotonin, resulting in depression, carbohydrate cravings, sleep disturbances, and proneness to argumentativeness, irritability.

Violence can also be used to manipulate serotonin levels.

Additionally, the morphine-like substances derived from the incomplete digests of dairy and cereal grain proteins are other dietary factors which may alter mood by depressing CNS serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine levels (5).

The reduced number of platelet receptors for serotonin found in patients with celiac disease, which is also caused, at least in part, by dietary factors, again points to food as a factor in some cases of depression.

Such a propensity for depression, as is now seen in our modern world, seems to run counter to the process of natural selection.

It is of more than passing interest that many of the foods which seem to be implicated in depression are also foods which Humanity has had only a relatively short time, on the evolutionary calendar, to adapt to (6).

And we have been consuming more and more of these new foods during this century.

Regardless of the causes of the high frequency of depression in our contemporary world, we now have fairly effective drugs to treat this condition.

One such group of drugs, SSRIs, act to reduce the rate of re-uptake of serotonin at the synapses, working to conserve serotonin and increase its synaptic concentration for longer periods of time.

Serotonin is an important neurotransmitter which is needed for sleep onset, mood regulation, carbohydrate craving and consumption, and a host of other functions (7).

But there are other means to manipulate its presence in the brain.

If we have recently digested protein, resulting in an increased level of large neutral amino acids (LNAA) in the blood stream, and we subsequently eat enough carbohydrate to induce a significant rise of circulating insulin, most of these amino acids will be transported across cell walls, for storage or energy.

Due to tryptophan's resistance to insulin, this will result in an increase of circulating tryptophan.

Since LNAAs compete for transport across the BBB, and since its competitors have been reduced, the relative increase in tryptophan leads to increased quantities of tryptophan being moved into the brain.

Since the BBB is the primary limiting factor in conversion of tryptophan to serotonin, this results in increased levels of serotonin within the brain (8).

Since such manipulations of serotonin are difficult to regulate, and unlikely to have long-lasting effects (although some of the mystery of obesity may be revealed in this dynamic) a much more important dietary factor in depression may be the morphine-like substances which derive from the incomplete digests of proteins in cereal grains and dairy products.

These were first reported by Christine Zioudrou et al. who dubbed such peptides "exorphins" (9).

Further elucidation of this issue has been provided through the extensive work of Fukudome and Yoshikawa, published over the last decade (10,11) who have identified and characterized five distinct exorphins in the pepsin digests of gluten.

Eight distinct exorphins have also been identified in the pepsin digests of milk (12).

This work has given us a clearer sense of the morphine-like psychoactive nature of the peptides which result from the incomplete digests of these dietary proteins, as well as offering a possible explanation for some of the reported psychiatric reactions to these proteins (13,14,15) including the sense of "brain fog" that often accompanies immune reactions to these foods.

What do you think ??? :ph34r:


Jan 1990 - Dx CFS/ME/FM (URI's, Ataxia, myoclonus, orthostatic hypotension, insomnia, brain fog, swollen lymph nodes, sore throat... ) Completely Disabled (housebound and bedridden at times)

2004 - Digestive pain all the time.

May 2004 - Hiatal hernia, erosive gastritis, gastroparesis (endoscopy)

August 2004 - Colon polyps, diverticulitus, internal hemorrhoids (colonoscopy)

No relief from Nexium, Prilosec, Protonix, Zelnorm, Miralax, Imodium, Lomotil ...

July 2005 - GP recommended WFDFSFEFCF + vegan (Also, anything that hurts free)

Immediately stopped needing naps and digestive pain reduced.

Sept 2005 - GFDFCFSFEF + chemical free - Immediately stopped feeling jittery / buzzing and digestive issues were much better.

June 2006 - Dx B12 and iron deficient. Started B12 injections and using cast iron pan.

August 2006 - MYOCLONUS GONE. (off Klonopin)

September 2006 - ATAXIA, INSOMNIA and Feeling like the floor was moving under my feet gone.

June 19, 2007 - Positive DQ2, Dx Celiac

October 2007 - Sleeping like a baby, waking up with energy, but still having fatigue/stamina issues

Nov 2007 - Started Paleo diet for chronic hypoglycemia

April 2008 - GTT normal. I'm no longer hypoglycemic. Started Low oxalate diet for kidney stones.

May 1, 2008 - Began salt loading for OI/NMH - noticed immediately muscle weakness was gone. I was sodium deficient but my labs don't reflect it. Still working on OI and PEM.

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I just buy lactose-free AND gluten-free ice cream, then I dont work to worry about getting affected by either ;) ... but if I do eat normal ice cream that I know is gluten-free, I take a Lactaid pill :P

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Lactose free and gluten free ice cream .. WOW .. what a good idea ... Breyer's right ?

I've been researching casein intolerance. I sure hope I don't have that. :o

I'm testing lactaid as I type. I had to switch to Vanilla Fudge swirl. :D

Thanks folks :rolleyes:

Ok, it's been 10 minutes and I am nauseas and it feels like it is coming back up on me. Bleh !!!!


Jan 1990 - Dx CFS/ME/FM (URI's, Ataxia, myoclonus, orthostatic hypotension, insomnia, brain fog, swollen lymph nodes, sore throat... ) Completely Disabled (housebound and bedridden at times)

2004 - Digestive pain all the time.

May 2004 - Hiatal hernia, erosive gastritis, gastroparesis (endoscopy)

August 2004 - Colon polyps, diverticulitus, internal hemorrhoids (colonoscopy)

No relief from Nexium, Prilosec, Protonix, Zelnorm, Miralax, Imodium, Lomotil ...

July 2005 - GP recommended WFDFSFEFCF + vegan (Also, anything that hurts free)

Immediately stopped needing naps and digestive pain reduced.

Sept 2005 - GFDFCFSFEF + chemical free - Immediately stopped feeling jittery / buzzing and digestive issues were much better.

June 2006 - Dx B12 and iron deficient. Started B12 injections and using cast iron pan.

August 2006 - MYOCLONUS GONE. (off Klonopin)

September 2006 - ATAXIA, INSOMNIA and Feeling like the floor was moving under my feet gone.

June 19, 2007 - Positive DQ2, Dx Celiac

October 2007 - Sleeping like a baby, waking up with energy, but still having fatigue/stamina issues

Nov 2007 - Started Paleo diet for chronic hypoglycemia

April 2008 - GTT normal. I'm no longer hypoglycemic. Started Low oxalate diet for kidney stones.

May 1, 2008 - Began salt loading for OI/NMH - noticed immediately muscle weakness was gone. I was sodium deficient but my labs don't reflect it. Still working on OI and PEM.

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I don't know which I have...

When I got a scratch test last year, they said I have an allergy to milk products. They said to avoid them for 6 months and then try adding them back. I added them back, didn't feel so great, stopped again for a few weeks, and now a little is OK. My reaction isn't consistent, but I don't really get sick anymore. I only have ice cream occasionally and cheese sometimes, no milk. I don't put real milk products into anything, so mostly only when I eat out, which isn't that often.

Lactaid seems to help to a point, as long as I don't eat a gallon of ice cream, but since my reaction is so inconsistent, it's hard to tell if it really helps.

I got a really bad stomach ache when I ate an ice cream sundae the other day, but I think that was just from eating too much!

The doctor never said anything about caesin, but that doesn't mean much.

They also said I'm allergic to oats and pecans...and pecans don't kill me so I assume milk won't either. ;) Oats I avoid for obvious reasons.

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