Candida Diet

[confused]

His website is www.doctorbannock.com

The tests were around $600. His helping me with the tests cost another $350. I think his website now says $380.

When does this f*&^%ing headache go away. I'm dying from it. Is Advil OK to take on the Candida diet?

Im sure advil is ok to take, i only had the headache for one day when i was herxing and it was an nightmare but i never took anything. Ill go back and look around on his website now, thank you.

paula

[psipsina]

Ok so I think I answered the maltitol question. I think the candida likes it so its a no go. I was eating some think thin bars for breakfast for a few days and they made my sugar cravings even worse and then my die off symptoms with my antifungal doses were worse . . . I stopped eating them and I feel much better.

[moldlady]

Ok so I think I answered the maltitol question. I think the candida likes it so its a no go. I was eating some think thin bars for breakfast for a few days and they made my sugar cravings even worse and then my die off symptoms with my antifungal doses were worse . . . I stopped eating them and I feel much better.

Psipsina,

I found out the same thing. Fungus feeds on it... Most of those substitutes unfortunately are either toxic or the fungus feeds on it. I guess the only safe one right now is stevia until we hear more about that.... It is processed so I don't know if it is fully safe but I do know that it does not feed the fungus.

ML

[psipsina]

Psipsina,

I found out the same thing. Fungus feeds on it... Most of those substitutes unfortunately are either toxic or the fungus feeds on it. I guess the only safe one right now is stevia until we hear more about that.... It is processed so I don't know if it is fully safe but I do know that it does not feed the fungus.

ML

I do ok with xylitol too. Its super expensive so I don't bake with it usually but I use it to sweeten cappuchino drinks when I'm not doing a candida diet and I have baked with it in moments of desperation. I wish there were more gluten-free convienience products that used these sweeteners. I did find CF soy ice cream that was fruit juice sweetened which is better than cane sugar for when I relax this diet a bit.

[confused]

I havent tried any of the fake sugars yet, and i dont know if i will. I have not missed anything lately. My body really loves eating healthy and doesnt want to chance feeling bad lol.

How is everyone else doing?

paula

[aprilh]

That is great Paula! What a great attitude. Your body can really adjust to eating healthy.

I occasionally use stevia and xylitol.....but not everyday. I thought xylitol was antifungal.

[moldlady]

That is great Paula! What a great attitude. Your body can really adjust to eating healthy.

I occasionally use stevia and xylitol.....but not everyday. I thought xylitol was antifungal.

Congrats to Paula also for having success.

April, I've heard that some people have trouble with the xylitol. It gave me bloat and gas and for some they got headaches. It wasn't die off because most of us were already on a restricted diet and taking strong antifungals. So, I think it is a good thing that you are cautious and not eating a ton of it. I know that companies have made these claims but I'm not so sure.....

I've almost finished my 3rd week of gluten free and I "think" I'm noticing some improvement. It could just be placebo so I'll have to wait and see....

ML

[psipsina]

I'm so excited! I finally had my breakthrough day about three weeks into the candida diet. I was so busy enjoying my day that it didn't even occur to me until it was over how great I felt! I had no die off symptoms and the brain fog and arthritis pain is completely gone huray! Of course I'll be sticking with the diet for quite a bit longer to make sure I get everything healed up and back to normal before I start doing more carbs and fruits but still so exciting to know that all this effort and discomfort was actually worth it.

[moldlady]

I'm so excited! I finally had my breakthrough day about three weeks into the candida diet. I was so busy enjoying my day that it didn't even occur to me until it was over how great I felt! I had no die off symptoms and the brain fog and arthritis pain is completely gone huray! Of course I'll be sticking with the diet for quite a bit longer to make sure I get everything healed up and back to normal before I start doing more carbs and fruits but still so exciting to know that all this effort and discomfort was actually worth it.

That's great!!! :D :D :D :D :D

Everyone that I have tried to talk into this and has tried it has gotten better within 2-3 weeks. The trouble is trying to stay on it and making it a lifestyle is harder. But when one feels so much better it is motivation to stay with it!!

ML:)

[aprilh]

Moldlady,

That's good that you are noticing some improvement being gluten free. I noticed early on that gluten really caused me a lot of trouble. Now, I can tolerate it more, but try to eat mostly gluten free.

I have read somewhere that mercury damages the enzymes necessary to digest gluten. So, since you still have some fillings, this may be the case.

I certainly hope this is the last little effort needed to really feel better!

April

[moldlady]

Moldlady,

That's good that you are noticing some improvement being gluten free. I noticed early on that gluten really caused me a lot of trouble. Now, I can tolerate it more, but try to eat mostly gluten free.

I have read somewhere that mercury damages the enzymes necessary to digest gluten. So, since you still have some fillings, this may be the case.

I certainly hope this is the last little effort needed to really feel better!

April

April,

I was off of it for a long time just because of phase I so I'm sure I'm not too damaged and may recover faster than some???

It seems that mercury damages a lot in terms of enzymes necessary to digest: milk protein and now gluten too. Since mercury is in all shots as a preservative and in most fillings before the 90s I would say that most of the world may be gluten intolerate due to the mercury with no mention of the genetic factor.... That would be a double whammy.

ML

[psipsina]

That's great!!! :D :D :D :D :D

Everyone that I have tried to talk into this and has tried it has gotten better within 2-3 weeks. The trouble is trying to stay on it and making it a lifestyle is harder. But when one feels so much better it is motivation to stay with it!!

ML:)

I feel like its even easier to stick with it now because all the crazy cravings are gone. When I'm detoxing I feel like the candida are screaming for carbs and sugars and its hard to drown out that urge but once they are under control I don't have all those cravings and instead I want all the healthy stuff. The only thing that I'm really missing right now is fruit but it isn't an intense craving and I know I'll get it back soon enough.

[Guest digmom1014]

Anyone having a milk intolerance? I don't mean to dairy, just milk! I can't seem to drink milk anymore but, have no problem with cheese, etc.

I have only been gluten-free for one month, maybe if I wait a while longer. I hate testing out the milk again because I feel so bad and after feeling good I don't want to go back.

Anyone else in this situation?

Sarah

[aprilh]

digmom,

I have a milk/dairy intolerance. I wouldn't know the difference in why you would be having issues with milk and not cheese....???

I can tolerate some dairy in general but I try to avoid it because it clogs my already overworked lymphatic system and makes my digestion sluggish.

April

[moldlady]

digmom,

I agree with April in that cheese really is not a food even though we like it. Try to avoid it. The protein molecule is very hard to get to with all the fat around it.

The gouda cheese has no carbs and is best tolerated by someone that has trouble with milk. My guess is that it is the milk sugars that are fermenting in you and making you not feel well. They could be fermented by fungus or good bacteria depending on your health status. In this day and age, most people have had enough heavey metals and antibiotics to kill off healthy bacteria and now the fungus had taken root.

moldlady

[confused]

Anyone having a milk intolerance? I don't mean to dairy, just milk! I can't seem to drink milk anymore but, have no problem with cheese, etc.

I have only been gluten-free for one month, maybe if I wait a while longer. I hate testing out the milk again because I feel so bad and after feeling good I don't want to go back.

Anyone else in this situation?

Sarah

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My husband cant drink milk but he is fine with cheese and what not, even tho he dont eat much cheese cause he dont like it, he did have an lactose intolerance as a baby and had to be on soy but he outgrew some of that intolerance and can handle everything but whole milk, he can handle some 1 percent if need be tho.

paula

[confused]

Ok i have an question, last night i ate beans for the first time in a long time since i found out my body could not handle them, well last night i did pretty good on them, i only had 2 painful gas cramps, but that was not nearly as bad as how i lived before with beans, i would feel like i was glutened. So does this mean im starting to able handle more food cause of the anti candida diet. Is there hope that so many things i thought i was intolerant to i can sometime soon be able to eat again (well besides the gluten), if so i think i would be so happy. And also should i try beano when i eat beans and see if that helps with the couple of gas pains, or should i just deal with that part lol.

paula

[moldlady]

Ok i have an question, last night i ate beans for the first time in a long time since i found out my body could not handle them, well last night i did pretty good on them, i only had 2 painful gas cramps, but that was not nearly as bad as how i lived before with beans, i would feel like i was glutened. So does this mean im starting to able handle more food cause of the anti candida diet. Is there hope that so many things i thought i was intolerant to i can sometime soon be able to eat again (well besides the gluten), if so i think i would be so happy. And also should i try beano when i eat beans and see if that helps with the couple of gas pains, or should i just deal with that part lol.

paula

Hi Paula,

I think that is a sign that healing is taking place and maybe the good bacteria are feeding on the beans instead of fungus. This is kinda bad but fungus fermenting the beans will yield CO2 gas that has no smell. The bacteria feeding on the beans will yield a bit of methane gas that does smell. A bit is normal. Lots is not.

I don't take any chances.... I cook my beans in a crock over night on low with lots of water. Drain and fill up again and cook on low for long hours. Then, there isn't any of the sugars left in the beans to ferment... oligosaccharides are the sugars locked up in the beans.

ML

[scotty]

i have been reading as much as i can of this post and must say.....wow what a mindjob!! fantastic information!!

i might have had the worst case of candida known to man. i have done rotations and tried eliminatinos and tried all kinds of different probiotics and antifungals to see if i could get anything to consistently work. maybe i went overboard on them since at first they would feel like they had an impact but then they would seem to lose there potentcy and then seem to flare my prostate anymore??? all the way up my sides. something down there gets real irritated (but not when i stop taking the things that do) so i get not much of a chance to make the b-room and darn near piss myself at times where there is no bathroom and have to hold for longer than a minute. this bladder issue seems to be my downfall.

i can't much of handle most things you folks survive on. i am reading through guessing that is your problem......but i seem to be the exception here. things like garlic, onion, caprylic acid, probiotics as i said, peppers, more; most veggies in general (even cooked to mush) have a tendency to build up this burny incinerated feeling in my belly, like things are not absorbing but melting my insides to mush. here i go kind of twisting symptons all into one though.

i have had leaky gut my tongue remains white and fungy. i can't seem to cleanse with the foods that are supposed to work, fruits are never gonna work i swear--they just floor me, almost make me dizzy, like they are kryptonite!! i can't get a steady flow of carbs.--i have said this many times and sorry if you have read this somewhere in my other posts, but again just looking for the right response; maybe one of you is it. boy i could keep going with things but i won't....just searcing for a parallels and wanted to mention my presence i guess--awaiting test results and possible alleys to pursue with other tests; not to mention slow at work. mostly just trying to figure what to heal with.

[aprilh]

Scotty,

When you tried the candida diet did you avoid carbs, sugar, and high sugar fruits and foods that feed the candida?

I cannot tell from your post. When you were diagnosed with thrush in spring of 07, what were you treated with? Did the ND help you with that?

COuld be that the high sulphur foods like garlic and onions irritate your gut because of the die off effect. Sort of like a herx reaction. You need to go slow when killing off candida so you don't kill off more than your body can handle.

I think its common for men to have prostate problems with candida. Prostate problems are a sign of a sluggish backed up system. The doc told my hubby to avoid caffeine, drink lots of water, avoid lots of carbs and sugars. Sort of the same you would do with candida. Sometimes, you get worse before you get better. For instance, doing antifungals can cause a "die off" or Herx reaction, but the when you give it time, you feel much better than ever.

Just a thought.

April

[psipsina]

Scotty,

When you tried the candida diet did you avoid carbs, sugar, and high sugar fruits and foods that feed the candida?

I cannot tell from your post. When you were diagnosed with thrush in spring of 07, what were you treated with? Did the ND help you with that?

COuld be that the high sulphur foods like garlic and onions irritate your gut because of the die off effect. Sort of like a herx reaction. You need to go slow when killing off candida so you don't kill off more than your body can handle.

I think its common for men to have prostate problems with candida. Prostate problems are a sign of a sluggish backed up system. The doc told my hubby to avoid caffeine, drink lots of water, avoid lots of carbs and sugars. Sort of the same you would do with candida. Sometimes, you get worse before you get better. For instance, doing antifungals can cause a "die off" or Herx reaction, but the when you give it time, you feel much better than ever.

Just a thought.

April

I think its hard to see the difference between die off and an immune response sometimes. Those of us with food sensitivities are so trained to avoid anything that makes us feel bad, that upsets our stomach and yet the very things that will help us are going to make us feel this way. The first time I did coconut oil (caprylic acid) I thought I was going to die the die off was so bad and if I hadn't known that it was die off intellectually I would have surely avoided taking any more from then on. The western idea of healing expects to feel better immediately once the "cure" is ingested so the candida diet/supplements is very counter intuitive for us. You feel worse for a week or two when you start it which can be hard to maintain momentum through psychologically.

[scotty]

i dont know maybe i did not do the process right since i never worked with anyone professional and never had diagnosis persay just lots of information from this website which all seem legitimate enough in that it helped i guess is my only argument. i dont know are u supposed to take antifugals first is that the way it goes? i can't remember how i did it but i did not feel bad at first in fact first few days i thought i was cured. perhaps i took probiotics first. i think that is what i did

april,

i can't do fruits. real weird feeling they give me. like all the life has been sucked out of me...something like that. course every time i have tried since gluten-free i was eating other things that eventually i determined bothered through this long eliminating process here. which is growing and growing. so i could try them again. i thought i was ok there and added carbs back in finally after 6 mos. or so then i got messed up and the carbs really clear me out in the mornings. huge loads. but they give me energy. then they cut off my circulation. had some over the weekend and froze to death with my extremities tingly. cut them out and i am functioning for the most part again. i really think i just go overboard but i just always have a hungry feeling in my stomach in my body. i can't stop thinking about it and when ifinally get there i slam stuff cuz as i am eating i start getting more and more hungry. i have to cut myself off cuz i could just keep going. i never have a full sense, but did when i introduced carbs for teh first time in....i cant back to that level.

psipsina,

the only coconut oil i tried was in a jar not pill. used it to cook mahi-mahi. was real good but really burrowed into my gut. i'm talking wrenched contractions here. might have been the fish cuz it did stuff to me at another time w/o the oil. i avoid it now, but i am afraid of the oil. i know stuff will mess up my gut and clear me out. i have been throuhg all that. and psyched myself up to do it many times hoping it will work but it seems to make me worse. its different every time. i can't find one that is right for me. it is like everything i tried hurt more than it helped. what is a good plan of supplements? whats the correct way to do it?

[moldlady]

Scotty and others,

I posted this in two other places hoping it would help someone.

The underlying causes of this can be many things. It can be heavy metals from lots of shots and foods that contain them not to mention mercury from fillings, paint, or broken light bulbs, etc. The heavey metals can depress the immune system to the point of not being able to fight off diseases such as caused by bad bacteria and fungus. Antibiotics will kill off the bad bacteria but then the fungus goes unchecked and takes over the whole body. I believe that many that do not have a genetic propensity to celiac can acquire it by having heavy metals and /or fungus in the intestines. Either way, one has trouble keeping the intestines healthy for best absorption of nutrients for the body to be well.

I would suggest a lifestyle of no gluten, no sugars or white rice or potato starch, limited high sugar fruits (grapes, apples, bananas, etc.), and this will not only starve the fungus/yeast but it will also help heal the intestines. Pump your body with good probiotics to replace the ones that were killed off by antibiotics. Natren.com has a wide assortment of human strains to choose from. I recommend HT for the intestinal problems. For the heavy metals? I suggest making your own green drinks for detoxing. Detox. baths or saunas... I've posted the formulas on this forum elsewhere. AC also helps for Herz. reactions and die off. You will actually get a bit worse before you get better because when the yeast dies off it releases mycotoxins into the system. Also for the heavy metals... go slow.... used coriander in recipes ( a taste kinda like cinn. but not exactly), a sprinkle of dried cilantro on salads and things or in your salsas.

If you get to detoxing too fast: activated charcoal absorbs mycotoxins and detox baths help pull them out and also the heavy metals too. Exercise and sweating helps tremendously if you can do this.

ML

[psipsina]

i dont know maybe i did not do the process right since i never worked with anyone professional and never had diagnosis persay just lots of information from this website which all seem legitimate enough in that it helped i guess is my only argument. i dont know are u supposed to take antifugals first is that the way it goes? i can't remember how i did it but i did not feel bad at first in fact first few days i thought i was cured. perhaps i took probiotics first. i think that is what i did

april,

i can't do fruits. real weird feeling they give me. like all the life has been sucked out of me...something like that. course every time i have tried since gluten-free i was eating other things that eventually i determined bothered through this long eliminating process here. which is growing and growing. so i could try them again. i thought i was ok there and added carbs back in finally after 6 mos. or so then i got messed up and the carbs really clear me out in the mornings. huge loads. but they give me energy. then they cut off my circulation. had some over the weekend and froze to death with my extremities tingly. cut them out and i am functioning for the most part again. i really think i just go overboard but i just always have a hungry feeling in my stomach in my body. i can't stop thinking about it and when ifinally get there i slam stuff cuz as i am eating i start getting more and more hungry. i have to cut myself off cuz i could just keep going. i never have a full sense, but did when i introduced carbs for teh first time in....i cant back to that level.

psipsina,

the only coconut oil i tried was in a jar not pill. used it to cook mahi-mahi. was real good but really burrowed into my gut. i'm talking wrenched contractions here. might have been the fish cuz it did stuff to me at another time w/o the oil. i avoid it now, but i am afraid of the oil. i know stuff will mess up my gut and clear me out. i have been throuhg all that. and psyched myself up to do it many times hoping it will work but it seems to make me worse. its different every time. i can't find one that is right for me. it is like everything i tried hurt more than it helped. what is a good plan of supplements? whats the correct way to do it?

The first time I did this diet I was under the care of a Naturopathic doctor which was very helpful for me. I was able to go to him with questions and I wasn't trying to filter the many different opinions on the internet on my own. I had great success and only relapsed because of a pretty severe mold exposure. This time around I'm doing it on my own since I feel I have a better grasp of what I need to do. I used this website: Open Original Shared Link as a refresher course since it aligned best with what I had been taught by the Naturopathic doctor. I do a small amount of plain brown rice which isn't recommended on that site and I use colostrum in my regimen to help repair my leaky gut but those are the only big differences. I would read over the lists on that site of what you need to avoid and what foods are actually healing for candida infections and start to slowly change how you are eating. If you do it all at once it can hurt alot. Also activated charcoal and detox baths as recommended here are great ways to minimize how uncomfortable it can be while all the candida are dying off and releasing their toxins into your system which is what I think you felt when you tried the coconut oil. Good luck!

[aprilh]

Good Info Moldlady!

Scotty,

Sounds like you have a bad case of systemic candida among other things and the fruit that you ate fed the yeast. Instead of being an actual reaction to fruit, the sugars in the fruit fed the yeast creating the negative response you got.

I have had that happen before as well. My candida had become a *systemic* infection meaning the yeast spread beyond the walls of the gut and went to other areas of the body. The body brings on a antibody reaction when this happens. Anything with any amount of carb or sugars would feed the yeast (in my situation) and bring about a negative response.

The yeast can "burrow" into the intestinal lining creating the leaky gut which then other food proteins are allowed to seep through also creating an immune response.

I started reacting to fruits, carbs, soy, corn, gluten, dairy. Everyday NOT on the candida diet was another day with a new food reaction. I didn't know what I could eat or what was happening to me.

I then learned of the candida and went on the anti-candida diet and proceeded to heal leaky gut.

The rule of thumb is to

1) heal leaky gut - L-glutamine comes to mind as a good supplement to do so

2) starve the yeast with the diet changes - check out www.wholeapproach.com/diet

3) once you are healed and doing okay on the diet, use antifungals.

Just starving the yeast for some people can create terrible die off reactions. Hence, the coconut oil for you and your gut wrenching in pain. That was probably a die off reaction. Probably not a good idea for you to start antifungals right off, but more so take it a bit slower.

Your body has to process the mycotoxins and other toxins that the yeast put off in addition to the toxins that are released when they "die off". Good to go slow with this. Some try to keep some form of healthy carb in the diet for the first few weeks just to avoid a terrible die off reaction. Such as brown rice or sweet potato.

Some good ways to deal with die off are detox baths using epsom salts, sauna or sweating in general, and some even use coffee enemas. Activated Charcoal help absorb toxins and chlorella help absorb

It is believed that yeast are there when there are other underlying issues going on - like Moldlady said. Most of the time that is heavy metals. You can get metals from the everyday environment (like me) or you can really expose your body with metal fillings. Some people get bad yeast problems because they have been exposed to mold over a long period of time. Others have issues like lyme or undiagnosed celiac disease. OR celiac is brought on by the yeast.

The point is that once you get the yeast under control, then you gotta look into *why* you got such a bad infection to begin with. What compromised your immune system to that point.

Hope this info helps!

April