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I was in the health food store the other day and saw a bag of GLUTEN! Bob's Red Mill, I think it was. I just looked at it thinking it was a bag of pure poison to all of us! :o


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I see bags of "gluten flour" in the supermarkets too , and yuck, it makes my stomach turn. How could anybody with a conscience even consider marketing the stuff!

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I was in the health food store the other day and saw a bag of GLUTEN! Bob's Red Mill, I think it was. I just looked at it thinking it was a bag of pure poison to all of us! :o

I have an bag in my kitchen lol. My poor mom thought she grabbed me the gluten free bread mix. So i was getting to make it, and looked at the label and it was just gluten bread, i was like omg, im glad i didnt open it.

paula


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on low carb/low sugar diet

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Vital wheat gluten is an important ingredient when making whole wheat bread as whole wheat flour doesn't have as much gluten as bread flour and hence doesn't rise as well. I had to throw out a bag from my kitchen when I went gluten free.


Tiffany aka "Have I Mentioned Chocolate Lately?"

Inconclusive Blood Tests, Positive Dietary Results, No Endoscopy

G.F. - September 2003; C.F. - July 2004

Hiker, Yoga Teacher, Engineer, Painter, Be-er of Me

Bellevue, WA

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When i saw it at the health food store i was thinking it was also a bag of poision and my daughter could not beleive they sell it.

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Imagine the seitan -- that is pretty much straight gluten that is eaten by itself! It is used as a mock meat in some vegetarian dishes. I used to love the stuff :blink:


McDougall diet (low fat vegan) since 6/00

Gluten free since 1/6/07

Soy free and completely casein and egg free since 2/15/07

Yeast free, on and off, since 3/1/07 -- I can't notice any difference one way or the other

Enterolab results -- 2/15/07

Fecal Antigliladin IgA 140 (Normal Range <10 units)

Fecal Antitissue Transglutaminase IgA 50 (Normal Range <10 units)

Quantitative Microscopic Fecal Fat Score 517 (Normal Range <300 units)

Fecal anti-casein (cow's milk) IgA antibody 127 (Normal Range <10 units)

HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0501

HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 06xx

Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 1,1 (subtype 5,6)

Fecal anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA antibody 11 (Normal range <10 units)

Fecal Anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast) IgA 11 (Normal range <10 units)

Fecal Anti-Soy IgA 119 (Normal Range < 10 units)

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I was in the health food store the other day and saw a bag of GLUTEN! Bob's Red Mill, I think it was. I just looked at it thinking it was a bag of pure poison to all of us! :o

I use to add vital wheat gluten to my bread all the time. Was one of the many things I had to dispose of three months ago.

I'm finding that it's important to keep in mind that wheat is not "bad" or "evil" to normal people. It is to us of course, but we are an extremely small group. I had never even heard of Celiac Disease prior to last December.

By comparison, I was well aware of peanut allergies due to the media, product packaging warnings (I wonder if that was the first warnings), the airlines stopping the peanut servings, and my neighbor's kids having peanut allergies. We don't think anything about eating peanuts or react in any way when we see a bag or can of peanuts, but I'm sure they do. It doesn't mean that peanuts are "bad" or "evil" though.

Same for dairy and any number of other foods. Just because some people have dairy intolarance doesn't mean cheese is "bad" or "evil".

If everyone eliminated everything everyone else was intolarant to, nobody would be able to eat anything!

best regards, lm


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colonoscopy, upper GI
blood, urine, stool tests, prometheus panel
positive endoscopy/positive duodenal biopsies (severe villous atrophy, high intraepithelial lympocytes)
diagnosed celiac disease by Gastroenterologist Andrew R. Gottesman, 12-18-06

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Vital wheat gluten is an important ingredient when making whole wheat bread as whole wheat flour doesn't have as much gluten as bread flour and hence doesn't rise as well. I had to throw out a bag from my kitchen when I went gluten free.

Apparently they don't know about guar gum <_<


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Vital wheat gluten is an important ingredient....

I love seeing it labeled that way on the store shelf. Makes me expect to see "Vital arsenic" on the next product over.

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Apparently they don't know about guar gum <_<

Gah. Guar doesn't work *nearly* as well. Another reason I just don't do bread. :P

(So sayeth the food snob. :P:D:P)


Tiffany aka "Have I Mentioned Chocolate Lately?"

Inconclusive Blood Tests, Positive Dietary Results, No Endoscopy

G.F. - September 2003; C.F. - July 2004

Hiker, Yoga Teacher, Engineer, Painter, Be-er of Me

Bellevue, WA

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Tarnalberry, the food snob, I was wondering... Do you have a blog or something with recipes you make on it?? You always post these wonderful snobby menus from holidays and the like. I want! lol Where do you get your recipes? If you tell me you make them up then you better be making a cookbook! I want to be a food snob too!

P.S. I have never had dark chocolate! lol


~Savoring this new world of dark chocolate~

graves disease 1998

pos blood test sept 2006

pos biopsy oct 2006

gluten-free since oct 2006

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Tarnalberry, the food snob, I was wondering... Do you have a blog or something with recipes you make on it?? You always post these wonderful snobby menus from holidays and the like. I want! lol Where do you get your recipes? If you tell me you make them up then you better be making a cookbook! I want to be a food snob too!

P.S. I have never had dark chocolate! lol

I have a website, but the easiest place to find them at the moment is here, on a thread I started for posting my recipes: As Promised, A Few Recipes

I primarily make them up, often with inspiration from cookbooks, food shows, restaurants, and friends.

PS- get yourself some tasty chocolate! :) thursdays are chocolate tasting days, after all. you've got five days to get yourself some. :P


Tiffany aka "Have I Mentioned Chocolate Lately?"

Inconclusive Blood Tests, Positive Dietary Results, No Endoscopy

G.F. - September 2003; C.F. - July 2004

Hiker, Yoga Teacher, Engineer, Painter, Be-er of Me

Bellevue, WA

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Oh thank you so much!! I am just beside myself, I can't wait to try the butternut squash soup!!! YUMMY! Thanks again!! And, to help out a dark chocolate newbie, what kind should I try that I can get fairly easily by thursday? Not from a specialty shop... I am far away from them at the moment. I am near a Haggen, Safeway, etc. I had no idea thursdays were chocolate tasting days! Onward to new traditions! :D


~Savoring this new world of dark chocolate~

graves disease 1998

pos blood test sept 2006

pos biopsy oct 2006

gluten-free since oct 2006

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And, to help out a dark chocolate newbie, what kind should I try that I can get fairly easily by thursday? Not from a specialty shop... I am far away from them at the moment.

It really is dependent on what your stores have. I would advise against the Hershey's dark chocolate bar because it contains dairy and it isn't that good (IMHO, of course -- people have different tastes). Be sure to check the ingredients.

I always try to go for organic because I think it is better for the planet, it is less likely to have chemicals or other additives, it seems to taste better, and I know that none of the countries with appalling labor conditions have any organic production (google "child slavery chocolate"). You also might look for chocolate by non-US countries, less likely to be overly sweet (this is just a generalization -- so, of course, there are exceptions: just giving you a couple hints in making an initial selection if you have more than one possibility readily available to you).

I like Dagoba, Green & Black, and Endangered Species. Trader Joes has some dark chocolate specific to particular countries that is also nice. But there is a lot of yummy stuff out there. I'm just listing the stuff I see when I go to the grocery store!

As a newbie, you probably want to develop your taste. Good dark chocolate will list the cacao percentage. If you go for a high percentage at first, it may seem overly bitter to you, accustomed as you are to very sweet milk chocolate (which now seems too sweet for my taste). So pick something that is lower at first, without containing anything you don't want. Savor it slowly ...

Try out different things and see which you like. Sounds like fun to me :wub:

Oh my, I need to go buy some chocolate :lol:


McDougall diet (low fat vegan) since 6/00

Gluten free since 1/6/07

Soy free and completely casein and egg free since 2/15/07

Yeast free, on and off, since 3/1/07 -- I can't notice any difference one way or the other

Enterolab results -- 2/15/07

Fecal Antigliladin IgA 140 (Normal Range <10 units)

Fecal Antitissue Transglutaminase IgA 50 (Normal Range <10 units)

Quantitative Microscopic Fecal Fat Score 517 (Normal Range <300 units)

Fecal anti-casein (cow's milk) IgA antibody 127 (Normal Range <10 units)

HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0501

HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 06xx

Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 1,1 (subtype 5,6)

Fecal anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA antibody 11 (Normal range <10 units)

Fecal Anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast) IgA 11 (Normal range <10 units)

Fecal Anti-Soy IgA 119 (Normal Range < 10 units)

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Why thank you Hathor! I will try one of the brands you mentioned. I have never been a milk chocolate person, it is too sweet for me, but never thought to try dark chocolate! I think I will venture out today and see what chocolate I can find, this may make a great new hobby! lol


~Savoring this new world of dark chocolate~

graves disease 1998

pos blood test sept 2006

pos biopsy oct 2006

gluten-free since oct 2006

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Savor it slowly ...

heh... good point. I see people talk about how they eat a whole chocolate bar in a day, and I think "Gah! I'd be sick, and I LOVE chocolate." Good dark chocolate is strong stuff, and a little piece (like 1/2" by 1/2") is a good place to start. Three pieces that size, and I'm done - leaving a small bar like Dagoba makes good for ... four days, at least. A Tropical Source bar is easily a week of chocolate.

and all this chocolate talk has doomed me - I just placed a very large order for a very large amount of good dark chocolate. *sigh* :P (Bonnat, Castelain, Dagoba, Domori, Cluizel, Pralus, Slitti, Theo, and Valhrona... Long live Chocolate Tasting Thursdays!)


Tiffany aka "Have I Mentioned Chocolate Lately?"

Inconclusive Blood Tests, Positive Dietary Results, No Endoscopy

G.F. - September 2003; C.F. - July 2004

Hiker, Yoga Teacher, Engineer, Painter, Be-er of Me

Bellevue, WA

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I usually get my chocolate at Trader Joe's. I like the Noir 85% and the chocolate from one source the best. lindt 85% is good too. But I now have a chocolate box where I keep my chocolate bars. Yeah, you really can't eat that much of the really, really dark stuff. I have a square or two and I'm totally satisfied. With more sugar that stuff goes down a lot faster. :P

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Ok, I went out and got some! I got the 59% Dagoba semisweet dark, and it is good, I like it alot. I also got Green & Black's 70% bittersweet, but then noticed on the back it says made in a facility that manufactures wheat, so I haven't tried it. I also got Endangered Species 70% Dark chocolate with deep forest mint and that one is the big winner!!! I LOVE that one, it is perfect, the best chocolate I have ever had, which, lol, is not saying much as these are the only dark chocolates I have ever tried. But I will definately but that one over and over. I will buy the Dagoba also, but really really like that mint one. I had 2 peices of each and you are so correct, they are rich, and they will last me several days. How fun is this! Thanks so much for luring me into the world of dark chocolate, I had no idea what I was missing out on!!


~Savoring this new world of dark chocolate~

graves disease 1998

pos blood test sept 2006

pos biopsy oct 2006

gluten-free since oct 2006

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edited / lm


gluten-free 12-18-06

colonoscopy, upper GI
blood, urine, stool tests, prometheus panel
positive endoscopy/positive duodenal biopsies (severe villous atrophy, high intraepithelial lympocytes)
diagnosed celiac disease by Gastroenterologist Andrew R. Gottesman, 12-18-06

"Sobriety sucks. That's why they invented booze in the first place." Denis Leary - Rescue Me

Beware the chocolate of Chiapa

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Oh Larry,

I am so sorry for the hijacking of the thread. I did just pop in and do that rather rudely in my chcoclate excitement! A new chocolate thread will be started, a fantastic idea I might add. Come on over and join, I am new to chocolate and need some help, lol.

I will now return you to your bag of gluten topic, enjoy!


~Savoring this new world of dark chocolate~

graves disease 1998

pos blood test sept 2006

pos biopsy oct 2006

gluten-free since oct 2006

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Oh Larry,

I am so sorry for the hijacking of the thread. I did just pop in and do that rather rudely in my chcoclate excitement! A new chocolate thread will be started, a fantastic idea I might add. Come on over and join, I am new to chocolate and need some help, lol.

I will now return you to your bag of gluten topic, enjoy!

Thank you but I pretty much think the Bag 'O Gluten is dead, I killed it. Sorry, just my misguided idea of levity.

I'm not personally knowlegeable about fancy chocolate. Although I did recently try some of the new dark chocolate products showing up in the regular stores. Thought they were really tasty.

best regards, lm


gluten-free 12-18-06

colonoscopy, upper GI
blood, urine, stool tests, prometheus panel
positive endoscopy/positive duodenal biopsies (severe villous atrophy, high intraepithelial lympocytes)
diagnosed celiac disease by Gastroenterologist Andrew R. Gottesman, 12-18-06

"Sobriety sucks. That's why they invented booze in the first place." Denis Leary - Rescue Me

Beware the chocolate of Chiapa

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Oh Larry,

I am so sorry for the hijacking of the thread. I did just pop in and do that rather rudely in my chcoclate excitement! A new chocolate thread will be started, a fantastic idea I might add. Come on over and join, I am new to chocolate and need some help, lol.

I will now return you to your bag of gluten topic, enjoy!

Thank you but I pretty much think the Bag 'O Gluten is dead, I killed it. Sorry, just my misguided idea of levity. I'm not personally knowlageable about fancy chocolate. Although I did recently try some of the new dark chocolate products showing up in the regular stores. Thought they were really tasty.

best regards, lm

p.s., Think I better go mow the yard now!


gluten-free 12-18-06

colonoscopy, upper GI
blood, urine, stool tests, prometheus panel
positive endoscopy/positive duodenal biopsies (severe villous atrophy, high intraepithelial lympocytes)
diagnosed celiac disease by Gastroenterologist Andrew R. Gottesman, 12-18-06

"Sobriety sucks. That's why they invented booze in the first place." Denis Leary - Rescue Me

Beware the chocolate of Chiapa

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I spent considerable effort writing a response to Bag 'O Gluten (coming up with what I thought was a very witty statement) and then you, tarnalberry, Nancym, and hathor hijacked the thread!

Sorry :rolleyes: Given the interest, perhaps we need an entire forum devoted to the subject. There is another thread (about dairy intolerance) that has turned into a discussion of dark chocolate as well ...


McDougall diet (low fat vegan) since 6/00

Gluten free since 1/6/07

Soy free and completely casein and egg free since 2/15/07

Yeast free, on and off, since 3/1/07 -- I can't notice any difference one way or the other

Enterolab results -- 2/15/07

Fecal Antigliladin IgA 140 (Normal Range <10 units)

Fecal Antitissue Transglutaminase IgA 50 (Normal Range <10 units)

Quantitative Microscopic Fecal Fat Score 517 (Normal Range <300 units)

Fecal anti-casein (cow's milk) IgA antibody 127 (Normal Range <10 units)

HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 1 0501

HLA-DQB1 Molecular analysis, Allele 2 06xx

Serologic equivalent: HLA-DQ 1,1 (subtype 5,6)

Fecal anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA antibody 11 (Normal range <10 units)

Fecal Anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast) IgA 11 (Normal range <10 units)

Fecal Anti-Soy IgA 119 (Normal Range < 10 units)

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Sorry :rolleyes: Given the interest, perhaps we need an entire forum devoted to the subject. There is another thread (about dairy intolerance) that has turned into a discussion of dark chocolate as well ...

Yes dear hathor, I was very aware of the other thread. That's why I couldn't stand idly by and do nothing all the while the forum was being hijacked by the chocolate girls! Actually, it was an ill timed attempt at facetiousness (on a scale of one to ten, about a seven). :wacko:

yours truly, lm


gluten-free 12-18-06

colonoscopy, upper GI
blood, urine, stool tests, prometheus panel
positive endoscopy/positive duodenal biopsies (severe villous atrophy, high intraepithelial lympocytes)
diagnosed celiac disease by Gastroenterologist Andrew R. Gottesman, 12-18-06

"Sobriety sucks. That's why they invented booze in the first place." Denis Leary - Rescue Me

Beware the chocolate of Chiapa

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