Jump to content

  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.



  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):

    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Is Goat Milk And Goat Cheese O.k.?

taneil

Recommended Posts

taneil Apprentice
taneil
Posted

I was tested through enterolabs and was found to be sensitive to cow's milk as well as gluten (surprise, surprise :rolleyes: ). Does anyone know if goat's milk has the same reaction? Well I ate chicken stuffed with sun-dried tomatoes and goat cheese for dinner... it was yummy. But wasn't sure if I should stay away from goat products also. I eat Kefir made from Raw Cow's milk pretty much everyday and haven't had any problems with it. Anyone have any thoughts?

I actually haven't had the classic celiac disease symptoms. I tested positive for Hashimoto's Hypothyroidism and so had the enterolab test done. Everything tested positive and I have both genes. So I am now gluten-free for life, but don't want to be milk-free for life... Like I said, I dodn't get stomachaches, loose stools or such...gluten triggers my Thyroid to wack out and it also damaged my instines but no real bad symptoms. so what are your thougts?

Thanks

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):


Guest LisaB
Guest LisaB
Posted

My Mom does alright on goat's milk but can't tolerate cow's milk yet anyway. I am not sure if the test from Enterolab is saying that you currently can't tolerate milk or your genetically milk intolerant?

taneil Apprentice
taneil
Posted
  • Author

Enterolab says I am sensitive to Cow's milk protein (Caesin). I don't think it necessarily means genetically.

Guest LisaB
Guest LisaB
Posted

I don't know if you were told (or read yet) that Celiac patients usually cannot digest milk well until their intestines heal up (usually 6 months to 2 years). For me it was at about 6 months that I tried it again since I had heard others reintroduced it about then, I am doing alright with it now. My Mom as I mentioned earlier still hasn't healed enough for cow's milk but tried goat milk since we had heard it is easier to digest and she can tolerate it at least in small amounts and seems to be o.k. with butter and chedder cheese.

I'm not much help I know, sorry...hopefully someone else can add more.

taneil Apprentice
taneil
Posted
  • Author

Thank you Lisa. Yes I know that most Celiacs have problems with milk until the instines heal. I just wasn't sure how long I need to wait before trying Cow's Milk again, so thought I might do goat products until then.

I think I will wait on both for a while, though I didn't seem to do bad with the goat cheese.

Thank you for your response.

Guest aramgard
Guest aramgard
Posted

I have been gluten free for 3 years, but still have problems with Cow milk and drink only goat milk, which does not bother me at all. Most cheese now doesn't bother me so maybe, some day I can go back to regular milk. But for now I'm beginning to like goat milk. Shirley

mat4mel Apprentice
mat4mel
Posted

I posted a similar question the in the kids forum.. wondering when I should reintroduce dairy to my 2 yr old. She has been gluten-free/CF for about 3 weeks now and just started having normal bowel movements again last week. I don't necessarily want to give her cows milk to drink, but would like to have pizza and mexican food again!

mel

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):


cornflake girl Newbie
cornflake girl
Posted

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, and I certainly hope that I am, but I thought that the Enterolab casein sensitivity test being positive meant that you should be casein free for life. I tested positive for this also and I am absolutely dying for some cheese! I think it means that your body is experiencing an immunologic reaction to casein and it should always be avoided. This is different than celiacs who simply cannot properly digest lactose because their villi are so damaged. Once the villi heals they will probably be able to digest it again. Please, someone tell me that I'm wrong and that I'll be able to eat cheese again!

Guest aramgard
Guest aramgard
Posted

Unfortunately, you are absolutely right. Shirley

taneil Apprentice
taneil
Posted
  • Author

About cornflake girl's question...I don't know and wouldn't doubt that Shirley is correct, but what about this ?

I know from reading a book on Autism that gluten-free/CF diets greatly improve autistic childrens symptoms. But I also know from reading the book that it talks about how gluten and casein protiens are very similar to each other thus gluten-free/CF is essential to an autistic child. Yet we know that many people with celiac disease are able to tolerate Dairy after the intesines heal, could this be because before the intestines heal the antibodies think that Casein is Gluten since it is so similar and thus problems with casein antibodies. But once the instines heal the distinction between casein and gluten is able to be made and one may then tolerate casein even though previously sensitive?

That is only my hypothisis and I have no clue if I am correct or not, and I have no way of testing it currently, but would be very happy to get input on my poor or messed up reasoning and thoughts.

cornflake girl Newbie
cornflake girl
Posted

I think that being unable to tolerate it and having an immunologic reaction to it are two separate things. I'm under the impression that the people who go on to be able to digest dairy are not the same people who had the immunologic reaction to dairy in the first place. They simply had a hard time digesting it before the intestines healed. Can anyone verify that?

  • 11 years later...
waprog2 Newbie
waprog2
Posted

Some of us just have the wrong ancestors, and many of us are okay with goat and sheep's milk cheese. I do not recommend this to anyone whose ancestry is not from the Americas.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):


  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      131,857
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748
    LowellFrancis
    Newest Member
    LowellFrancis
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):

  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.4k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):



  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):


  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • Rogol72
      Ibuprofen

      By Rogol72 · Posted

      Some interesting articles regarding the use of Zinc Carnosine to help heal gastric ulcers, gastritis and intestinal permeability. I would consult a medical professional about it's use. https://www.nature.com/articles/ncpgasthep0778 https://www.rupahealth.com/post/clinical-applications-of-zinc-carnosine---evidence-review https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7146259/ https://www.fallbrookmedicalcenter.com/zinc-l-carnosine-benefits-dosage-and-safety/
    • Jillian83
      Celiac and dermatitis herpetiformis has taken Me from Me

      By Jillian83 · Posted

      He is. Which makes everything even more difficult. I’m not a believer in “staying for the kids” but I have nowhere to go and it’s not just me, it’s me plus my babies. We live in a beautiful place, lots of land in the country and me and the kids love the place we’ve called home for their entire lives. But Im seeing that he’ll never change, that my kids deserve a happy healthy Momma, and that staying in this as is will be the early death of me. Then I look at the scars covering my entire body…this disease and the chronic stress I’ve been enduring for years that tell me I’m no longer beautiful and no one will ever look at me with interest again. I try self care, try to give myself grace so I can just start loving myself enough to gain strength but the slightest sparkle in my eye and skip in my step attracts his wrath and it all comes crashing ten fold. Life is just absolutely railing me from every single direction leaving me wanting to wave that white flag bc I don’t feel like there’s much hope no matter what happens. 
    • trents
      Celiac and dermatitis herpetiformis has taken Me from Me

      By trents · Posted

      Is this man the father of your children?
    • Jillian83
      Celiac and dermatitis herpetiformis has taken Me from Me

      By Jillian83 · Posted

      Hi, I was recently diagnosed with Celiac and dermatitis herpetiformis after years of suffering without answers. I lost my mind. I lost my job. I lost so much time. I lost Me. Conventional doctors are opulent come near me and the one who did sat across the room, misdiagnosed me, pumped me full of steroids which collapsed my entire hip for 6 months. So without answers I began my holistic journey. Fast forward a couple of years and still struggling with a mysterious whole body itchy, crawling “skin hell”, perfect teeth now deteriorating, thick hair now thinning rapidly and no more than a day or 2 at most relief….An acquaintance opened up a functional medicine practice. Cash only, I found a way. Within a month tests clearly showing my off the charts gluten allergy/sensitivity as well as the depletion of vital nutrients due to leaky gut and intestinal damage. dermatitis herpetiformis was more than likely what I was experiencing with my skin. I was happy. I thought this is easy, eat healthy Whole Foods, follow the diet restrictions and I finally get to heal and feel confident and like myself again very soon! 😔 Supplements are very pricey but I got them and began my healing. Which leads to the other major issue: not working, stay at home Mom of young kids, entirely financially dependent on my man of 7 plus years. He’s never been supportive of anything I’ve ever done or been thru. He controls everything. I’m not given much money ever at a time and when he does leave money it’s only enough to possibly get gas. His excuse is that I’ll spend it on other things. So my “allowance” is inconsistent and has conditions. He withholds money from me as punishment for anything he wants. Since being diagnosed, he’s gained a new control tactic to use as punishment. He now is in control of when I get to eat. He asked for proof of my diagnosis and diet bc he said I made it up just to be able to eat expensive organic foods. Then after I sent him my file from my doctor he then said she wasn’t a real doctor. 😡. I go days upon days starving, sometimes breaking down and eating things I shouldn’t bc I’m so sick then I pay horribly while he gets annoyed and angry bc I’m not keeping up with all the duties I’m supposed to be doing. His abuse turns full on when I’m down and it’s in these desperate times when I need his support and care the most that I’m punished with silence, being starved, ignored, belittled. He will create more of a mess just bc I’m unable to get up and clean so that when I am better, I’m so overwhelmed with chores to catch up that the stress causes me to go right back into a flare from hell and the cycle repeats. I’m punished for being sick. I’m belittled for starving and asking for healthy clean water. I’m purposely left out of his life. He won’t even tell me he’s going to the grocery or to get dinner bc he doesn’t want me to ask him for anything. I have no one. I have nothing. Im not better. My supplements ran out and I desperately need Vitamin D3 and a methylated B complex at the very minimal just to function….he stares at me blankly…no, a slight smirk, no words. He’s happiest when im miserable and I am miserable.  this is so long and im condensing as much as I can but this situation is so complicated and disgusting. And it’s currently my life. The “IT” girl, the healthy, beautiful, perfect skin, perfect teeth, thick and curly locks for days, creative and talented IT girl….now I won’t even leave this house bc Im ashamed of what this has dont to my body, my skin. Im disgusted. The stress is keeping me from healing and I think he knows that and that’s why he continues to keep me in that state. He doesn’t want me confident or successful. He doesn’t want me healed and healthy bc then how would he put the blame of all his problems on me? This journey has been hell and I’ve been in Hell before. I’ve been killed by an ex, I’ve been raped, robbed, held hostage, abused beyond nightmares but the cruelty I’ve experienced from him bc of this disease is the coldest I’ve ever experienced. I’ve wanted to give up. Starving and in tears, desperate…I found a local food pantry in our small town so I reached out just saying I had Celiac and was on hard times. This woman is blessing me daily with prepared gluten free meals, donations, educational info, people who know this disease and how they manage life and the blessings just keep coming. But it’s overwhelming and I feel like I don’t deserve it at all. He just glared and I know he’s going to sabotage it somehow. I don’t even know what to do anymore. I’m so broken and just want peace and healing. 
    • cristiana
      Ibuprofen

      By cristiana · Posted

      @Colleen H   I am just curious,  when you were tested for coeliac disease, did the doctors find out if you had any deficiencies? Sometimes muscle pain can be caused by certain deficiencies, for example, magnesium, vitamin D, calcium, and potassium.   Might be worth looking into having some more tests.  Pins and needles can be neuropathy, again caused by deficiencies, such as iron and B12,  which can be reversed if these deficiencies are addressed. In the UK where I live we are usually only tested for iron, B12 and vitamin D deficiencies at diagnosis.   I was very iron anemic and supplementation made a big difference.  B12 was low normal, but in other countries the UK's low normal would be considered a deficiency.  My vitamin D was low normal, and I've been supplementing ever since (when I remember to take it!) My pins and needles definitely started to improve when my known deficiencies were addressed.  My nutritionist also gave me a broad spectrum supplement which really helped, because I suspect I wasn't just deficient in what I mention above but in many other vitamins and minerals.  But a word of warning, don't take iron unless blood tests reveal you actually need it, and if you are taking it your levels must be regularly monitored because too much can make you ill.  (And if you are currently taking iron, that might actually be making your stomach sore - it did mine, so my GP changed my iron supplementation to a gentler form, ferrous gluconate). Lastly, have you been trying to take anything to lessen the pain in your gut?  I get a sore stomach periodically, usually when I've had too much rich food, or when I have had to take an aspirin or certain antibiotics, or after glutening.  When this happens, I take for just a few days a small daily dose of OTC omeprazole.  I also follow a reflux or gastritis diet. There are lots online but the common denominators to these diets is you need to cut out caffeine, alcohol, rich, spicy, acidic food etc and eat small regularly spaced meals.   When I get a sore stomach, I also find it helpful to drink lots of water.  I also find hot water with a few slices of ginger very soothing to sip, or camomile tea.  A wedge pillow at night is good for reflux. Also,  best not to eat a meal 2-3 hours before going to bed. If the stomach pain is getting worse, though, it would be wise to see the doctor again. I hope some of this helps. Cristiana    
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.