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Australian Study On Non Celiac Gluten Sensitivity As Rare


Mr. GF in Indiana

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Apologies if this has already been discussed recently. Those of us who are diagnosed celiac or ncgs by a doctor, are not the point of the following article. The point is to take those who suffer some symptoms medically, who self-diagnose gluten is their problem, and find out what percent of that small group (population-wise) can in fact eat gluten without those symptoms arising. I have no idea if the self-diagnosed ncgs (non-celiac!) group in the USA is 50,000 or 500,000, or even in the millions. Note the doctors doing the study, very much assert that ncgs is a very real condition, what they are addressing is the accuracy of diagnosis for the very large group of self-diagnosing people.

This is the article:

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Here is an explanation in English, and runner's world has a sizeable audience:

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Note that the elimination of Fodmaps by the researchers is important: these foods may themselves cause distress, and it is possible they cause the gut to react more readily with gluten (which may be an issue already researched and analyzed elsewhere).

So perhaps 10% or less of those who self-diagnose as gluten sensitive for their symptoms, have got it right...pretty serious mistake, depending what their real issue is. In the 1960's, this was called "reader's digest disease", the digest would feature some arcane disease each month, and tens of thousands of old people would deluge their doctors convinced they had it...until the next month (now seeing the same effect with the aarp magazine, apparently).


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