Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Internation Celiac Symposium


2Boys4Me

Recommended Posts

2Boys4Me Enthusiast

(Not sure if this is the right forum)

I found this on the braintalk forums. I thought this first bit was interesting.

Dr.Ciacci - from Italy. In Italy, like the UK, gluten-free food is by prescription and covered under the National Health Care. gluten-free is defined as no more than 10-20ppm. They also have a law called 104 that gives a celiac patient 2 paid days off a month. These can be used for doctor visits or buying food. There is also a law thet the community must take celiac disease into account for any public event. As the number of people with celiac disease rise, it may become more difficult for the NHC to pay for food. Because of the cost, they do not want people to be self diagnosed. She called these people celi-hooligans because they may generate confusion. (guess I have a new name )

She said that there have been rumors that Italy had/has a program to screen all children for celiac disease. She said this is not true. (emphasis added by me)

Dr. James from NIH - Went over the NIH Consensus Conference of 2004. They now have a gluten-free awareness campaign at www.celiac.nih.gov The primary target will be PCP's, Pediatricians, Ob/GYN's and Physician Assistants. They feel that it is best to start with them as these are the people who refer to the sepcialists. The secondary targets will be Nurse Practicioners, heamtologists, allergists and dermatologists. (I either missed where the GI docs fit in or they were not on this list. Maybe he thinks the GI docs already know about celiac disease? Also missing from this list are neurologists.)

Cynthia Kupper, head of GIG said the best thing to do when reading a label that says "made in a facility with wheat...." is to ignore the label as it means nothing. There is still no definition for gluten-free in the US. It is impossible to test to 0 gluten.

Almost all of the doctors speaking talk about classic celiac disease - positive TTG and EMA and positive biopsy. The only doctor who spoke of using the IgA AGA and IgG AGA was Dr. Pietzac. She is a pediatric GI doc and says these are useful in children up to the age of 7-8 years. She also said that they can be falsely positive in any condition with increased intestinal permeability such as cystic fibrosis, Down's, food allergy, chronic diarrhea...

Dr. Pietzac mentioned the best method to measure compliance was with the a

AGA antibodies. TTG will not measure small infractions.

TTG is replacing EMA as EMA is time consuming and expensive. TTG is less specific than EMA Also young children may not make TTG. False positives are found in T1DM, autoimmune hepatitis and possibly IBD.

She also said that the sensitivity and specificity of celiac disease tests can vary depending on the population tested.

Stool antibody tests - the article from Germany was mentioned without mentioning Dr. Fines reply. Open Original Shared Link you can read the article and there is a link to the comment.

There were talks on endoscopy, capsule endoscopy and double balloon enteroscopy. It was felt that capsule endocopy was useful in those with +serology but questionable or negative bx or alarm symptoms. The capsule is used by only 15% of the GI docs. Double balloon is a method to look at the complete small intestine and take biopsies. It can be done top down or bottom up.

Dr. Malahias - dentist - gave a very good talk on referring patients for diagnosis of celiac disease when he finds dental enamel defects or canker sores. He said that children with celiac disease did not have more cavities than "normals" but adults with celiac disease did. He mentioned that we need to ask about gluten in the polishing pastes and fluride treatment.

Other causes of dental enamel defects were nutrition, infection, trauma, fluride and medications.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



AndreaB Contributor

Thanks for posting this Linda. Interesting.

2Boys4Me Enthusiast

Yes, I didn't realize the routine testing of kids in Italy was an urban myth. I've heard that from so many different sources.

sagemoon Newbie

Very interesting. I went to the link on the fecal testing and there is a 'reply' tab on that page to read Dr. Fine's reply. My husband and I were just tested by Enterolab and believe the test is valid. Thanks for the investigative work, it is very helpful to hear as much as possible in this ever evolving issue.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - captaincrab55 replied to lmemsm's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      11

      Finding gluten free ingredients

    2. - rei.b replied to rei.b's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      13

      High DGP-A with normal IGA

    3. - knitty kitty replied to rei.b's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      13

      High DGP-A with normal IGA

    4. - rei.b replied to rei.b's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      13

      High DGP-A with normal IGA

    5. - knitty kitty replied to rei.b's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      13

      High DGP-A with normal IGA


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):



  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      132,130
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Tony White
    Newest Member
    Tony White
    Joined

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):


  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):





  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):



  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • captaincrab55
      Imemsm, Most of us have experienced discontinued, not currently available or products that suddenly become seasonal.   My biggest fear about relocating from Maryland to Florida 5 years ago, was being able to find gluten-free foods that fit my restricted diet.  I soon found out that the Win Dixie and Publix supper markets actually has 99% of their gluten-free foods tagged, next to the price.  The gluten-free tags opened up a  lot of foods that aren't actually marked gluten-free by the manufacture.  Now I only need to check for my other dietary restrictions.  Where my son lives in New Hartford, New York there's a Hannaford Supermarket that also has a gluten-free tag next to the price tag.  Hopefully you can locate a Supermarket within a reasonable travel distance that you can learn what foods to check out at a Supermarket close to you.  I have dermatitis herpetiformis too and I'm very sensitive to gluten and the three stores I named were very gluten-free friendly.  Good Luck 
    • rei.b
      Okay well the info about TTG-A actually makes a lot of sense and I wish the PA had explained that to me. But yes, I would assume I would have intestinal damage from eating a lot of gluten for 32 years while having all these symptoms. As far as avoiding gluten foods - I was definitely not doing that. Bread, pasta, quesadillas (with flour tortillas) and crackers are my 4 favorite foods and I ate at least one of those things multiple times a day e.g. breakfast with eggs and toast, a cheese quesadilla for lunch, and pasta for dinner, and crackers and cheese as a before bed snack. I'm not even kidding.  I'm not really big on sugar, so I don't really do sweets. I don't have any of those conditions.  I am not sure if I have the genes or not. When the geneticist did my genetic testing for EDS this year, I didn't think to ask for him to request the celiac genes so they didn't test for them, unfortunately.  I guess another expectation I had is  that if gluten was the issue, the gluten-free diet would make me feel better, and I'm 3 months in and that hasn't been the case. I am being very careful and reading every label because I didn't want to screw this up and have to do gluten-free for longer than necessary if I end up not having celiac. I'm literally checking everything, even tea and anything else prepacked like caramel dip. Honestly its making me anxious 😅
    • knitty kitty
      So you're saying that you think you should have severe intestinal damage since you've had the symptoms so long?   DGP IgG antibodies are produced in response to a partial gluten molecule.  This is different than what tissue transglutaminase antibodies are  produced in response to.   TTg IgA antibodies are produced in the intestines in response to gluten.  The tTg IgA antibodies attack our own cells because a structural component in our cell membranes resembles a part of gluten.  There's a correlation between the level of intestinal damage with the level of tTg antibodies produced.  You are not producing a high number of tTg IgA antibodies, so your level of tissue damage in your intestines is not very bad.  Be thankful.   There may be reasons why you are not producing a high quantity of tTg IgA antibodies.  Consuming ten grams or more of gluten a day for two weeks to two months before blood tests are done is required to get sufficient antibody production and damage to the intestines.  Some undiagnosed people tend to subconsciously avoid lots of gluten.  Cookies and cakes do not contain as much gluten as artisan breads and thick chewy pizza crust.  Anemia, diabetes and thiamine deficiency can affect IgA antibody production as well.   Do you carry genes for Celiac?  They frequently go along with EDS.
    • rei.b
      I was tested for celiac at the same time, so I wasn't taking naltrexone yet. I say that, because I don't. The endoscopy showed some mild inflammation but was inconclusive as to celiac disease. They took several biopsies and that's all that was shown. I was not given a Marsh score.
    • knitty kitty
      Food and environmental allergies involve IgE antibodies.  IgE antibodies provoke histamine release from mast cells.   Celiac disease is not always visible to the naked eye during endoscopy.  Much of the damage is microscopic and patchy or out of reach of the scope.  Did they take any biopsies of your small intestine for a pathologist to examine?  Were you given a Marsh score? Why do you say you "don't have intestinal damage to correlate with lifelong undiagnosed celiac disease"?   Just curious.  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.