Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):
  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

My 2yr Old Daughter Had The Endoscopy


sashabetty

Recommended Posts

sashabetty Explorer

Yesterday we took our daughter to children's for an endoscopy. She has been symptomatic but IGA deficient so the blood tests told us nothing. Her symptoms have coincided with adding gluten and abated with removing gluten.

Since I have seen the question of what to expect with having a child get an endoscopy, I though I would share our experience, which may be different from what other people experience:

We got to Children's Hospital at 7:15am, and our daughter has eaten and drank nothing since dinner the night before. We have told her about how she is going to the doctor and is going to sleep while the doctor looks in her tummy. She talks a lot about how she is going to lay on her belly and the doctor will put a blankie on her and she will take a nap.

Had the usual pre-surgical check-in, weight (no gain in 5 month) and height for the anestesia, etc. Change into gown and slippers, which was the part that upset her the most. I think this was a product of being woken up early, not eating and too many unfamiliar things happening and she just wanted to hang onto things that were comfortable and familiar.

Talked to the anesthesia resident that explains that she will get IV anesthesia. Eventually meet the actual anesthesiologist who says she will be getting inhaled anesthesia, not IV, and we discuss the merits of both methods and agreed to inhaled.

As we sit down in each new room she asks if this is where she will be sleeping.

Go into OR and sit holding my daughter on my lap. They ask what flavor she likes and she picks strawberry, so they give her the mask and a q-tip with nasty strawberry scent and tell her to start painting the mask. She paints my shirt a bit too.

They are paging the Dr, who finally shows up and we discuss the number of biopsies she will be taking (this should have happened ahead of time but it has not) and we come to a number that is compromise between her number and mine.

They put the mask on my girl, and she doesn't like that and tries to turn her head away a few times, and I help hold her still and then she starts to look spaced out and relaxes to sleep in about 30 seconds. I help put her on the table and cover her with a heated blanket, then we kissed her. They ask if we want to leave her doll, and we say she's not attached to it, but if she can have her right arm free she will want to suck her thumb, and they agree to do an IV in the left arm.

We waited in stage 2 for her to wake up and be brought to us. About an hour later a nurse walks up carrying our daughter who looks not at all upset or out of it.

She ate a popsicle and drank some juice, and I think it all went down too fast because she started threatening to throw up. This upset her and she cried and heaved for about 20 minutes then was very subdued and clingy for another 45 minutes or so. If we had made her slow down a bit with the juice this might have been avoided, or it can be a natural reaction to anesthesia or perhaps the scope irritated her stomach a bit.

She had her IV removed and changed back into her clothes. By this time she was reaching her limit with the hospital experience and got a little cranky.

We went home at about 11:00, almost four hours after we arrived. Our daughter was very hungry, but we fed her soft foods (as is recommended after the procedure) in small doses to see if her stomach would get upset, which it did not. Soon after getting home she was back to her normal active happy self.

She then devised a game where she was the doctor and gave us strawberry medicine and then fed us gluten. We have not tried to explain all of the details (have not used the word gluten in talking to her) and haven't discussed it much in front of her until we get more answers, so she obviously pays attention to what is going on.

She was energetic for much of the day but she did take and extra-long nap.

I am always impressed at how patient and adaptable our daughter is, and how well she handles unfamiliar situations. She held up really well, and I wouldn't call it a traumatic experience.

We will now wait a week for the results. At this point, I don't have any anxiety about the results. No matter what they show I feel pretty clear about what she should not be eating.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



scaredparent Apprentice

I take my almost 16 mo old son tomorrow for an ecd and a colonosicpy.. My son has been on a clear liquid diet for 2 days and he is fussy. I know he can't wait to get food tomorrow. I hope everything goes as well as you childs went .. Glad everything went well and wish me and my so luck.

sashabetty Explorer

2 days with no solids? It's hard to imagine trying to enforce that with a toddler. I hope that everthing goes well for you and your son today. Post an update on how it went.

momof2 Explorer

I am sitting here with blurry eyes trying to read the screen! My 17 month old went through this 3 months ago, and although she was fine once the procedure was over, it was heartrenching going through it. Our day sounded a lot like yours, and maybe that is why I cried when I read your post. My daughter is also a thumb sucker, and so they put the IV in her foot because of that. I told them, she will go crazy if she can't suck her thumb, so somehow make some changes. I look forward to finding out the results...aren't you glad the biopsy is over????

scaredparent Apprentice

Things went well, they did a ECD a colonoscpy and a pancris test. He was very hungry by the end of it. He was in surgery for almost a hour. It all went well they didn't see much swelling but he said that doesn't mean much. The dr said he might have a small amt of constipation after surgery. He was out of surgery for 15 min and had already had 1 diahrea stool. I am scared that they are going to say "sorry there is nothing wrong with your son". He has only gained 6 lbs in 1 year, since he has been 3 months old. They don't know what is wrong with him. They are checking for celiac disease, esosinophilic, crones and reflux. He has had vomiting and diahrea since he has been 3 months old. He weigh 8lbs 7 oz at birth and he weigh almost 14 lbs at 3 months old yesterday he at 16 months old weighted 20lbs 2oz. When he was 3 months old I started him on cereal. Everytime I fed him he had loose stools. When I started him on oatmeal he also vomitted. His lab all came back normal. He has the ethiophia tummy. He also can have upto 15 loose stools a day. ???What do I do if the biopsy comes back normal???? Does any think this sounds like their child. Good luck with your test results "sashabetty".

sashabetty Explorer

scaredparent,

I'm glad to hear that things went as well as they did, though I know it's still not easy to have that sort of testing done on our children. I hope that the tests tell you something, when do you expect to hear back?

As far as my daughter's symptoms, she was fine for weight gain and digestion until 13 months, then she had 2 weeks of runs, then watery stool with undigested food and mucous along with lethargy, weight loss, clingy-ness, and other symptoms for 2-3 months until two days after we stopped feeding her gluten. Then it was a dramatic improvement. She did great until we put her back on gluten, then had screaming fits, back to the runs and moucous, bloated belly, etc, and just maintaining her weight with no gain in 5 months. Until I took her back off gluten this week, and since then she is making formed stool again.

and momof2, I am so glad the biopsy is done! It went well, but the anticipation and the emotional drain is so hard, plus now we are done with the gluten, regardless of the test results! I don't care what my family says about how they are unsure that she has a problem, I am sure and that will have to be enough no matter the test results. But I am still interested to see what the results are.

  • 2 weeks later...
scaredparent Apprentice

Well after 16 days of waiting test results are in. The dr told me that he doesn't have celiac. Which in one way is great in another it is aweful because they do not know why he is not gaining weight and is not growing. They are treating him as if he has a parasite and a bacteral infection even though all culture and other stool samples came back negitive. I talked to my ped. and she told me to try the medicine if it doesn't work to go gluten-free and see if it works because he is very young to be testing for celiac disease. She also said if a gluten-free diet works to have the biopsy and blood work redone when he turns 2. He is only 16 months old when the test was done. Every thing they said looked normal. They can't tell me that he is normal when he has only gained 6 lbs in 1 year and and only 7 inches in his whole life. He has diahrea about 10 times a day. He also throwsup a lot. They determined that was from a delayed gastric empting (his food don't go down fast enough). What is everyone opinion about starting him on the gluten-free diet?


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



sashabetty Explorer

scaredparent,

The testing is such a frustrating process. I wish I could tell you what would help your son get better. I know how frustrating it is when doctors can't tell you what is wrong with your child. It sounds like you are determined to be a good advocate for your son't health, and that is an important part in finding what will help him. If I left it to others, everyone would say my daughter was fine with stinky runs and weight loss and lethargy at 13 months, but I knew better and I will keep pushing for what made her better, and in her case that was eating gluten-free. Trust your instincts, if you think something isn't right with your son you do know best.

It couldn't hurt to try gluten-free, it is a huge adjustment at first, but there is a lot of great support here for figuring out food choices. I would be hesitant to try going gluten-free at the same time as you are doing other treatments because if ther is a change in your son's symptoms it may leave you wondering whether it was medicine or food that made things change.

You son's symptoms, except for the throwing up, are very similar to my daughter's symptoms before going gluten-free. Of course I can't say if going gluten-free will work for your son, but it is definitely worth ruling out, and I don't believe that the tests alone can rule out the possibility based on our experience and the stories I have read on this board.

In my daughter's case, the change in symptoms is the only proof we have that she has a gluten issue, no tests have come back positive. I don't care anymore if it's celiac or gluten intolerance or if anyone wants think it's some kind of food neurosis that I have manufactured. I have watched how her health changes in relationship to her consumption of gluten and that is all of the evidence I need. Would confirmation from an MD be helpful? Sure it would, but I have to trust myself to do what's best for her. That to me is the biggest drawback with diagnosing a child through diet challenging. You can't get the official stamp that gives you the credibility you need when dealing with family, friends, and schools. But that comes after improving the child's health, which is the key issue.

I hope that you find what works for you child very soon. Take care.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    2. - Jane02 replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    3. - knitty kitty replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    4. 0

      Penobscot Bay, Maine: Nurturing Gluten-Free Wellness Retreat with expert celiac dietitian, Melinda Dennis

    5. - Scott Adams replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,331
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Kristy2026
    Newest Member
    Kristy2026
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      @Jane02, I hear you about the kale and collard greens.  I don't do dairy and must eat green leafies, too, to get sufficient calcium.  I must be very careful because some calcium supplements are made from ground up crustacean shells.  When I was deficient in Vitamin D, I took high doses of Vitamin D to correct the deficiency quickly.  This is safe and nontoxic.  Vitamin D level should be above 70 nmol/L.  Lifeguards and indigenous Pacific Islanders typically have levels between 80-100 nmol/L.   Levels lower than this are based on amount needed to prevent disease like rickets and osteomalacia. We need more thiamine when we're physically ill, emotionally and mentally stressed, and if we exercise like an athlete or laborer.  We need more thiamine if we eat a diet high in simple carbohydrates.  For every 500 kcal of carbohydrates, we need 500-1000 mg more of thiamine to process the carbs into energy.  If there's insufficient thiamine the carbs get stored as fat.  Again, recommended levels set for thiamine are based on minimum amounts needed to prevent disease.  This is often not adequate for optimum health, nor sufficient for people with absorption problems such as Celiac disease.  Gluten free processed foods are not enriched with vitamins like their gluten containing counterparts.  Adding a B Complex and additional thiamine improves health for Celiacs.  Thiamine is safe and nontoxic even in high doses.  Thiamine helps the mitochondria in cells to function.  Thiamine interacts with each of the other B vitamins.  They are all water soluble and easily excreted if not needed. Interesting Reading: Clinical trial: B vitamins improve health in patients with coeliac disease living on a gluten-free diet https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19154566/ Safety and effectiveness of vitamin D mega-dose: A systematic review https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34857184/ High dose dietary vitamin D allocates surplus calories to muscle and growth instead of fat via modulation of myostatin and leptin signaling https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38766160/ Safety of High-Dose Vitamin D Supplementation: Secondary Analysis of a Randomized Controlled Trial https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31746327/ Vitamins and Celiac Disease: Beyond Vitamin D https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11857425/ Investigating the therapeutic potential of tryptophan and vitamin A in modulating immune responses in celiac disease: an experimental study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40178602/ Investigating the Impact of Vitamin A and Amino Acids on Immune Responses in Celiac Disease Patients https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10814138/
    • Jane02
      Thank you so much @knitty kitty for this insightful information! I would have never considered fractionated coconut oil to be a potential source of GI upset. I will consider all the info you shared. Very interesting about the Thiamine deficiency.  I've tracked daily averages of my intake in a nutrition software. The only nutrient I can't consistently meet from my diet is vitamin D. Calcium is a hit and miss as I rely on vegetables, dark leafy greens as a major source, for my calcium intake. I'm able to meet it when I either eat or juice a bundle of kale or collard greens daily haha. My thiamine intake is roughly 120% of my needs, although I do recognize that I may not be absorbing all of these nutrients consistently with intermittent unintentional exposures to gluten.  My vitamin A intake is roughly 900% (~6400 mcg/d) of my needs as I eat a lot of sweet potato, although since it's plant-derived vitamin A (beta-carotene) apparently it's not likely to cause toxicity.  Thanks again! 
    • knitty kitty
      Hello, @Jane02,  I take Naturewise D 3.  It contains olive oil.   Some Vitamin D supplements, like D Drops, are made with fractionated coconut oil which can cause digestive upsets.  Fractionated coconut oil is not the same as coconut oil used for cooking.  Fractionated coconut oil has been treated for longer shelf life, so it won't go bad in the jar, and thus may be irritating to the digestive system. I avoid supplements made with soy because many people with Celiac Disease also react to soy.  Mixed tocopherols, an ingredient in Thornes Vitamin D, may be sourced from soy oil.  Kirkland's has soy on its ingredient list. I avoid things that might contain or be exposed to crustaceans, like Metagenics says on its label.  I have a crustacean/shellfish/fish allergy.  I like Life Extension Bioactive Complete B Complex.  I take additional Thiamine B 1 in the form Benfotiamine which helps the intestines heal, Life Extension MegaBenfotiamine. Thiamine is needed to activate Vitamin D.   Low thiamine can make one feel like they are getting glutened after a meal containing lots of simple carbohydrates like white rice, or processed gluten free foods like cookies and pasta.   It's rare to have a single vitamin deficiency.  The water soluble B Complex vitamins should be supplemented together with additional Thiamine in the form Benfotiamine and Thiamine TTFD (tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide) to correct subclinical deficiencies that don't show up on blood tests.  These are subclinical deficiencies within organs and tissues.  Blood is a transportation system.  The body will deplete tissues and organs in order to keep a supply of thiamine in the bloodstream going to the brain and heart.   If you're low in Vitamin D, you may well be low in other fat soluble vitamins like Vitamin A and Vitamin K. Have you seen a dietician?
    • Scott Adams
      I do not know this, but since they are labelled gluten-free, and are not really a product that could easily be contaminated when making them (there would be not flour in the air of such a facility, for example), I don't really see contamination as something to be concerned about for this type of product. 
    • trents
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.