Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Will Test Be Reliable?


hornbeck0920

Recommended Posts

hornbeck0920 Apprentice

Hi. My baby, Tommy, and I have been gluten-free for a month now (except for a few accidents) when I began to suspect that he was allergic to wheat and either allergic to oats and barley, too, or just having a cross reaction to them. His skin prick tests were negative, but since the gluten-free diet is the only thing that has ever helped his life-long screaming and vomiting, the allergist ordered a blood test for celiac and told me to keep him on the gluten-free diet for at least six months before tryng wheat again, regardless of the test results. After reading up on the disease, I'm almost positive that Tommy, my two other kids, and my husband have celiac disease. I talked to the nurse at their Family Doc today to ask if the doc could order tests for Shirley (5) and Jeffy(4), and she told me that the doc said she'd have to see Tommy's test results before ordering tests for my other kids. But I'm worried that since he's only a baby and has already been gluten-free for a month he might get a false negative. My kids might not get tested at all if their doc doesn't believe that Tommy is sick. Does anyone think he'll be able to get accurate results? I don't know the name of the test the allergist ordered, or even how many tests. I just know that they took two vials of blood. Even if too much time had passed for him to get a positive result, are there tell-tale signs that would let a doc know there's something amiss? I'll take Shirley and Jeffy to another doctor if I have to. Their doctor thinks I'm nuts anyway. Tommy has kept her very busy and they probably think I have Munchausen by proxy. Hey, you know there's something wrong if you go from a Monday morning to a Friday night without taking a shower or brushing your teeth and your hair is stiff with dried barf because you don't have time to care for the baby AND practice good hygeine and you go to the grocery store anyway because your husband doesn't read lables. I would just like a doc that CARED about all of that. I'll keep my chin up though. :) Thanks for any help.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Ursa Major Collaborator

Hi, and welcome to these boards.

I am sorry to say that you have a very ignorant doctor, who tortured your baby with taking all that blood for nothing. First of all, those tests are extremely unreliable in children under six to begin with, and secondly, after being gluten-free for a whole month, you are guaranteed a false negative, even if it would have been positive a month ago.

Since celiac disease is not an allergy, the skin prick test wouldn't show it anyway. That was to be expected, unless Tommy is allergic to wheat on top of having celiac disease.

For Tommy, the one test that would still be accurate in showing if he is gluten intolerant, would be the one from Open Original Shared Link. They test the stool, so no more torture. This test is the most accurate one available, even though it isn't cheap.

I would switch doctors to have the other kids, your husband and yourself tested. After that, I would just make the whole house gluten-free!

I hope it all works out for you. I am glad Tommy is feeling better on the gluten-free diet, keep up the good work!

mamaloca2 Apprentice

I am so sorry to hear about everything you are going through. Why won't the doc run tests on the rest of you regardless of results? Does it have to do with the insurance? In my case, I told the doc my concerns and she sent us to a lab, even though she thought I was just a hypochondriac, but I had to pay for it in cash ($250) because insurance needed proof of the need for the test. Mine concerns apparently weren't enough. If you have to, I would find another doc. Or like Ursa Major said, just make the whole house gluten free. You will likely find out best that way anyhow. As for your husband and family, you might have to make up a list of ingredients that are code for gluten that they keep with them. I take pre-made meals and snacks to my in-laws whenever I leave my daughter with them. They also have a list of everyday items that she can have (like nestle choc. chips, prego traditional spaghetti sauce, ect...) It's a real pain in the butt for you to have to do all this, but may save some suffering in the long run. Good luck and stay strong!

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to Jmartes71's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      10

      My only proof

    2. - NanceK replied to Jmartes71's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      10

      My only proof

    3. - knitty kitty replied to Hmart's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      13

      Is this celiac?

    4. - Trish G replied to Trish G's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      10

      Fiber Supplement

    5. - trents replied to Hmart's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      13

      Is this celiac?


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):



  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      132,358
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Lorna Wynter
    Newest Member
    Lorna Wynter
    Joined

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):


  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):





  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):



  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      Hello, @NanceK, I'm glad you're willing to give Benfotiamine with B Complex another go!  I'm certain you'll feel much better.   Yes, supplementation is a good idea even if you're healing and gluten free.  The gluten free diet can be low in B vitamins and other nutrients. A nutritionist can help guide you to a nutrient dense diet, but food sensitivities and food preferences can limit choices.  I can't consume fish and shellfish due to the sulfa hypersensitivity and iodine content, and dairy is out as well.  I react to casein, the protein in dairy, as well as the iodine in dairy.  My Dermatitis Herpetiformis is aggravated by iodine.   Blood tests for B vitamin levels are notoriously inaccurate.  You can have deficiency symptoms before blood levels change to show a deficiency.  I had subclinical vitamin deficiencies for years which affected my health, leading to a slow downward spiral.  Because the B vitamins are water soluble, they are easily excreted in urine if not needed.  It's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.   Wheat and other gluten containing grain products have vitamins and minerals added to them to replace those nutrients lost in processing.  Manufacturers add cheap vitamins that our bodies don't absorb or utilize well.  Even normal people can suffer from vitamin deficiencies.  The rise in obesity can be caused by High Calorie Malnutrition, where people eat more carbohydrate calories but don't get sufficient thiamine and B vitamins to turn the calories into energy.  The calories are stored as fat in an effort to ration out diminishing thiamine  stores.    It's time to buy your own vitamins in forms like Benfotiamine that our bodies can use well.   Not sleeping well and fatigue are symptoms of Thiamine deficiency.   I'm certain Benfotiamine with a B Complex will help you immensely.  Just don't take them at night since B vitamins provide lots of energy, you can become too energetic to sleep.  Better to take them earlier in your day.   Do keep me posted on your progress!
    • NanceK
      Oh wow! Thanks for this information! I’m going to try the Benfotiamine again and will also add a B-complex to my supplements. Presently, I just take sublingual B12 (methylcobalomin). Is supplementation for celiacs always necessary even though you remain gluten-free and you’re healing as shown on endoscopy? I also take D3, mag glycinate, and try to get calcium through diet. I am trying to bump up my energy level because I don’t sleep very well and feel fatigued quite often. I’m now hopeful that adding the Benfotiamine and B-complex will help. I really appreciate your explanation and advice! Thanks again Knitty Kitty!
    • knitty kitty
      @Hmart, The reason why your intestinal damage was so severe, yet your tTg IgA was so minimal can be due to cutting back on gluten (and food in general) due to worsening symptoms.  The tTg IgA antibodies are made in the intestines.  While three grams of gluten per day for several weeks are enough to cause gastrointestinal symptoms, ten grams of gluten per day for for several weeks are required to provoke sufficient antibody production so that the antibodies move out of the intestines and into the blood stream where they can be measured in blood tests.  Since you reduced your gluten consumption before testing, the antibody production went down and did not leave the intestines, hence lower than expected tTg IgA.   Still having abdominal pain and other symptoms this far out is indicative of nutritional deficiencies.  With such a severely damaged small intestine, you are not absorbing sufficient nutrients, especially Thiamine Vitamin B 1, so your body us burning stored fat and even breaking down muscle to fuel your body.   Yes, it is a very good idea to supplement with vitamins and minerals during healing.  The eight essential B vitamins are water soluble and easily lost with diarrhea.  The B vitamins all work together interconnectedly, and should be supplemented together.  Taking vitamin supplements provides your body with greater opportunity to absorb them.  Thiamine and the other B vitamins cannot be stored for long, so they must be replenished every day.  Thiamine tends to become depleted first which leads to Gastrointestinal Beriberi, a condition that doctors frequently fail to recognize.  Symptoms of Gastrointestinal Beriberi are abdominal pain and nausea, but neuropathy can also occur, as well as body and joint pain, headaches and more.  Heart rhythm disruptions including tachycardia are classic symptoms of thiamine deficiency.  Heart attack patients are routinely administered thiamine now.   Blood tests for vitamins are notoriously inaccurate.  You can have "normal" blood levels, while tissues and organs are depleted.  Such is the case with Gastrointestinal Beriberi, a thiamine deficiency in the digestive tract.  Eating a diet high in carbohydrates, like rice, starches, and sugar, can further deplete thiamine.  The more carbohydrates one eats, the more thiamine is required per calorie to turn carbs into energy.  Burning stored fats require less thiamine, so in times of thiamine shortage, the body burns fat and muscles instead.  Muscle wasting is a classic symptoms of thiamine deficiency.  A high carbohydrate diet may also promote SIBO and/or Candida infection which can also add to symptoms.  Thiamine is required to keep SIBO and Candida in check.   Thiamine works with Pyridoxine B 6, so if Thiamine is low and can't interact with Pyridoxine, the unused B 6 accumulates and shows up as high.   Look into the Autoimmune Protocol diet.  Dr. Sarah Ballantyne is a Celiac herself.  Her book "The Paleo Approach" has been most helpful to me.  Following the AIP diet made a huge improvement in my symptoms.  Between the AIP diet and correcting nutritional deficiencies, I felt much better after a long struggle with not feeling well.   Do talk to your doctor about Gastrointestinal Beriberi.  Share the article linked below. Thiamine, gastrointestinal beriberi and acetylcholine signaling https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12014454/ Keep us posted on your progress!
    • Trish G
      Thanks, that's a great addition that I hadn't thought of. 
    • trents
      Other diseases, medical conditions, medications and even (for some people) some non-gluten foods can cause villous atrophy. There is also something called refractory celiac disease but it is pretty uncommon.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.