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I've been told repeatedly by doctors, and others who are knowledgable about this, that if you completely eliminate the problem food for at least 8 months, that the antibodies will leave your system and if the intolerance was caused by damage from the gluten, that you should be able to reintroduce the offending food. If the intolerance is a separate thing then the symptoms will return.

I've been dairy free for about 14 months, and I have been eating cheese and yogurt for the past week. I didn't seem to have a reaction the first few days, but then I started to get some gas and bloating, and then more frequent headaches. I am not 100% sure it is from the dairy, because I seem to also be having trouble with digesting pork, beef and chicken. Well tonight a few hours after dinner I noticed that my intestines were totally quiet and not painful for the first time in days, so I intentionally ate some cheese. Now an hour later I am starting to get painful bloating. I guess this means that I will need to be casein free again.

But my questions to anyone who might know the answer are:

Could it be that since I did occasionally get some dairy contamination that it was enough to keep my body from eliminating the antibodies?? or am I just doomed to live forever without dairy!?

Would it take a few days of eating dairy before the symtoms start?

Do some cheeses cause a worse reaction than others?

Any help would be great.

God bless,

Mariann

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I g4life,

first i would like to say i enjoy your comments on this board.

Question

Could it be that since I did occasionally get some dairy contamination that it was enough to keep my body from eliminating the antibodies?? or am I just doomed to live forever without dairy!?

Would it take a few days of eating dairy before the symtoms start?

Do some cheeses cause a worse reaction than others?

answer 1

the book 'the no grain diet' tells you in page 80 that: milk, eggs, soy are common for those who are gluten sensitive.

Answer 2

Doug kaufmann would explain you that a food allergy is food in the blood stream. food in blood is caused by a leaky gut. what cause the gut to leak: fungus

taken from the fungus link of Doug Kaufmann:

Some years later, i read a research paper entitled 'antigenically intact food macromolecules exiting the gut lumen'. this paper confirmed my suspicions that small pieces of undigested foods, still intact, leaked through tiny holes in the intestinal wall and gained acces to the blood stream. Once there, a type of white blood cell (b-cell lymphocyte) recognizes the food particle as foreign, forms an antybody protein against the food, thus rendering it harmless from causing damage inside the body. After the food particle combines with the b-cell antibody protein, these tiny 'micro-foods-chips, are reffered to as eighter 'antigen antibody complexes' or 'immunes complexes. these complexex are then filtered out of the body.

Throughout the years, i stopped worrying about food allergy. Yes, it does exist and yes, i am one of the individuals credited with starting the food allergy revolution' in the 1970. but testing for food allergies is, in my opinion, not really necessary anymore. i am less concerned about food leaking through the intestines than i am with my concern as to why holes exist in the intestinal wall. and what about the normal inhabitants of the intestine leaking out?

p.99-100

dairy product that are safe along with his low carb diet (anti-fungal diet): yogurt, cream cheese. unsweetened whipping cream, sour cream made with real cream, butter.

lots of celiac does not understand that. candida along with other fungus are suspected to be the trigger in celiac disease. How did you got this? don't ask. the answer is in your plate. to much carb (sugars) and grains (molds) as it is recommended by SAD (standard american diet). that is enough to make you sick. and the antibiotics that doctor give you to recover (short term thinking) will predict a much more important thriving of candida. wich will give you much more food allergies later.

And that is the reason why probiotics products like yogurt and sour cream are recommended. the sugar (lactose) is lower in thoses products because of probiotics activity.

i hope it answers

i have already gave a link of a powerpoint presentation of molds on this board.

ok bye

Paul

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Thanks Paul,

Actually since I posted yesterday I realised that I forgot to mention that I recently (Nov-Dec) had taken a LOT of antibiotics. First for a bladder infection and then two weeks later I started a course for an absess, and then 5 days into it had to switch to a combo of Bactrim/Tetracycline because the culture showed that the absess was caused by a staph bacteria that was very resistent to antibiotics. That last combo just did a horrible number on my intestines and I have had a hard time digesting everything since. I think it is most likely a candida issue and I really should deal with that.

I know yogurt can help, I will try the cream cheese instead of block cheese. I need to be taking something for it. I have some pro-biotic tablets, do you think they would help?? I am getting frustrated. I drank a coffee drink with dairy in it and no reaction, but if I eat food, then I get a tummy ache, and especially a pain directly behind my belly button. I am going to stay on dairy for a little while. I am going in for surgery next month and I have a one night stay in the hospital. I figure it will open up a few food options if I don't ask for gluten-free/cf. I WILL be asking for gluten-free food, but will also be bringing a few thinks to eat if they get the food wrong. I hate the idea of a hospital stay making me sick. I already had to deal with the ER giving me the bladder/staph infections! Fortunately my surgery is at a different hospital!

Anyhow, thanks for the information and I will certainly consider the "leaky gut" thing.

God bless,

Mariann

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Glad to see that you're a Kaufmann believer, Paul. Good for you. I consider the man to be a Godsend. If any are still in doubt that all of this is nothing more than a fungul infection, I would invite them to type "Associated with Candidiasis" into their web browser so that they can see this for what it is. The scam found among those in the medical community will soon be over with. Diabetes, Celiac, Lupus/Autoimmunity, Endocrine, HIV, Immune deficiency, Cancer, all the way down to the routes of addiction-the informed patient will discover that all of these symptoms have "Associations to a Fungal infection."

But as Kaufmann declares, at what point do we open our eyes and see that fungi ARE the disease, not the association. The only additional belief I hold is that there is a stimulus that gives rise to the various fungi. The internal environment does not simply allow for a fungal growth to take off on its own one day, regardless of diet. The only exception is if such a fungus was passed down directly from mother to child. But even in that case there has to be a trigger, be it a correlating parasite, a defect with Aldosterone allowing for PH imbalance, etc. The body needs to be out of balance to be able to have fungi like Candida take hold-but that stimulas is very easy to determine, if you catch my drift.

If you get the chance, Paul, let me know whether or not you have tried Olive Leaf and/or Capyrlic Acid. If so, whether or not you experienced any harsh side effects. Nice to see that you've got it figured out, Paul. You'll feel better soon. Good luck to you and your's.

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I realised that I forgot to mention that I recently (Nov-Dec) had taken a LOT of antibiotics.

g4life

That was an important thing to say indeed and it changes what i would have said. Yes, i recommend you to take living probiotics. Remember that when you take antibiotics, you kill your intestinal flora. (the bad along the good bacteria).

so the only thing you have to do is to restore that intestinal flora. it s when your food allergies last long that it cause a problem. then, its time to suspect fungus.

for example. i take 3 different probiotics since 4 month everyday. Lisa B on this board made me discover i could do my home kefir. i also do kefir d aqua. and i take bio k+. that one only cost less than 0.50$ for a dose of more than 7 billions of l.casei and l.acidophilus. i eat one pot (3$ for 50 billions of good bacteria) per week.

i am never sick (cold, fever, cough, flu). but i still had a kind of reaction whith meat (kind of food allergie). i still had. the low carb diet change that in 2 month. i am now able to eat chicken without any symptoms. what do you think it was...i have nt tried beef yet but its to come.

one thing to always remember with probiotics/pre-biotics, is if you take to much, it may cause you gas or diarea, it is all a question of dosage.

red345

some informations that you give are acurate and good but i did not read anywhere that we could cure celiac disease, since gluten seem to be a problem itself.

for both, i wish you health

paul

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"some informations that you give are acurate and good but i did not read anywhere that we could cure celiac disease, since gluten seem to be a problem itself."

Nope Luap, but you will in my book~. Keep up the good work, my friend. Just joking about the book, but I do have something on the Celiac link for you I'll be able to share shortly.

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Paul, thank you for the information. I have been taking Jarro-Dophilus +FOS probiotic supplement for the past 4-5 days. It says that it contains 3.36 billion organisms per capsule. It says to take 1-3 tablets once a day. I've been taking 3 each evening about an hour after dinner. I am extremely limited on my supplements here in town, and I only get to the city for major shopping once a month. I do a fair amount of internet shopping though and if there is a specific brand that you recommend, then please let me know. The probiotic I am taking seems to help some. How long should I take it and how much per day. Should I space it out throughout the day or take it once a day (like it says on the label)? Is their a specific type of yogurt that helps more than others? I didn't get a reaction from the plain Dannon that I tried. I am pretty sure that the plain is gluten-free also. But if their is a brand that works better...I can only get about 6 different brands here in town. Dannon, Sunnyside Farms, Yoplait, Stoneyfield Farms, and a few others I can't remember. There are also some liguid yogurt drinks available. I am just getting frustrated here...But my symptoms seems to be lessening and that is what makes me thing that the probiotics are helping.

God bless,

Mariann

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I do a fair amount of internet shopping though and if there is a specific brand that you recommend, then please let me know.

that's a funny question...you made me realize i have never ask myself that question: what are the best probiotics available on the market.

the answer that have i found comes from one of my favorites doctor...mercola, along with hoggan and kaufmann.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/11/probiotics.htm

you can find flora source/iflora there

http://www.marysgarden.com/colostrum/flora_source.htm

it pass my cost test...less than 0,50$ a day for billions of bacteria. and i realize that this product is much better than the one i use right now (bio-k+).

below is a text on few many research concerning probiotics

http://www.newhope.com/nfm-online/nfm_back.../probiotics.cfm

i am going to see if i can find flora source on my side (canada).

i may have helped myself trying to help you...

paul

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Look into Bifidobacterium Bifidum, too. Acidophillus (Lactobacillus) is a fungicide that's already used on just about every crop there is today. My family member may have had a condition called Lactobacillus overgrowth, a Candida-like overgrowth infection that was caused by this "Good" bacteria.

While Lactobacillus (Acidophillus) may be one of the known "Beneficial" bacterias, any of these that are taken in excess can (potentially) turn from friend to foe. Because Acidophillus already is included in the food supply, my best guess is that Bifidobacterium Bifidum may be the best one to take, simply because, like Acidophillus, it is believed to be one of the "Good" strains, and is not readily available from the food supply.

One other thing regarding the probiotics-though I don't doubt the merits behind their effectiveness, I do have some concerns about long term use, based on the risks of overgrowth and immunity. I do not believe that a three week on/two week off course of them over a couple of months would present any danger for overgrowth, but do tend to believe that long term use could eventually lead to an anti-biotic like resistance to them in the body. If we already know this to be a fact w/ the anti-biotics, I'm not so sure that we should treat Acidophillus any differently. Same env't, same concept, in other words.

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Thank you both. You have given me some things to think about. I will look at the links asap. I agree that I might not want to use the probiotics long term, and will look into the Bifidobacterium Bifidum instead of acidophilus. The probiotic that I have is only 20% acidophilus, but doesn't have any of that unless Bifidobacterium Bifidum is also known as BB536 (Morinaga). :blink: All this is sort of know to me...

God bless,

Mariann

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