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Dysbiosis, Leaky Gut And Meat

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Alright, before I pose this question, you have to know that I'm the biggest meat eater you can imagine. Even before I got any stomach problems, I could easily eat 6 meals in a day; 5 of them would have meat, and all 5 of those would have more meat than veggies. When I went gluten free and now that I'm on the SCD I eat endless amounts of meat a day, I can go through a whole chicken plus no problem.

Could meat be keeping me from getting well? I had SIBO, took 2 antibiotics for that and barely improved, candida diet for 6 weeks and barely improved, I barely improved removing gluten the first time I did it and now on the SCD I'm worse than I've ever been. Consistently throughout these ventures I've been eating lots and lots of meat (all my meals are meat/meat + veggies.)

I've seen the term putrefactive dysbiosis thrown around, and I wonder if it's not the carbs that are a problem so much as all the animal fats and proteins? Because I haven't done much better off carbs, but when my doctor recently put me on the intro to GAPS diet (with soup and soup broth all fat included multiple times a day) I degraded rapidly and all the fat appeared in my stool, totally undigested.

Is this plausible, or are meats generally handled well by everyone with digestive problems?

Thanks, I'm discouraged,

-Jesse

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Alright, before I pose this question, you have to know that I'm the biggest meat eater you can imagine. Even before I got any stomach problems, I could easily eat 6 meals in a day; 5 of them would have meat, and all 5 of those would have more meat than veggies. When I went gluten free and now that I'm on the SCD I eat endless amounts of meat a day, I can go through a whole chicken plus no problem.

Could meat be keeping me from getting well? I had SIBO, took 2 antibiotics for that and barely improved, candida diet for 6 weeks and barely improved, I barely improved removing gluten the first time I did it and now on the SCD I'm worse than I've ever been. Consistently throughout these ventures I've been eating lots and lots of meat (all my meals are meat/meat + veggies.)

I've seen the term putrefactive dysbiosis thrown around, and I wonder if it's not the carbs that are a problem so much as all the animal fats and proteins? Because I haven't done much better off carbs, but when my doctor recently put me on the intro to GAPS diet (with soup and soup broth all fat included multiple times a day) I degraded rapidly and all the fat appeared in my stool, totally undigested.

Is this plausible, or are meats generally handled well by everyone with digestive problems?

Thanks, I'm discouraged,

-Jesse

My sister does poorly with heavy protein such as pork and beef. She avoids them. I eat tons for meat and have had no problems. It's all a mystery we each have to find out for ourselves. The most important thing about the SCDiet is the yogurt. Probiotic. Which can be homemade sauerkraut or someother fermented food. I hope you are on some good probiotic or it will take a long time to get feeling better.

here's some suggestions you can try. Eat meat and veggies alone, eat fruit on an empty stomach and with no other food for a least one hour. In other words, don't mix sugar and protein/fat together at the same meal.

Are you eating only fresh meat? Are you eating more often and small amounts? Don't over eat at one meal.

Eat lots and lots of raw fruits and veggies alone on an empty stomach.

I recently read that iron anemia, B-12 anemia, Vitamin D deficiency cause candida to multiply. Are you okay with these? I had all three problems.

I had lots of fat in my stools at first. Nothing stuck with me. But I'm pretty well okay now, I don't have many problems - as long as I watch what I eat! I follow the SCD religiously.

Take care and get better.

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Thanks for the reply, I don't have any vitamin or mineral deficiencies. I do not eat only fresh meat though, I've never thought about it. Most of it is fresh, though I do eat some sausages with only safe additives (spices, salt/pepper, no nitrates or nitrites, all grass fed meat.)

I do have a tendency to overeat at each meal, I miss the feeling of being full more than anything. I haven't been full in a long time.

I'm on two probiotics: mutaflor and bio-kult. They're both endorsed by the people who're supposed to know these things (my doc and the author of the book Gut and Mind Psychology) so I hope they're good!

I have yet to eat yogurt, I do eat sauerkraut and other fermented veggies. It's very confusing, fiber is supposedly bad if you have more bad bacteria than good, but with less fiber I need more meat which I can't digest! I don't know what to do, so for now I'm just eating more veggies than meats and keeping my fruit intake light and separated from my meals...

Thanks again, I'm having a lot of trouble deciding what's right and what's wrong, but even though I don't feel any better I'm just hoping the SCD is helping anyway.

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