Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):
  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Why Bother Getting Tested?


scouter99

Recommended Posts

scouter99 Newbie

After some other testing to try to find the source of what is wrong with me (symptoms consistent with everyone else here) I finally suggested the possibility it might be gluten related. I emailed my doc and this was her response:

"I would try changing you diet to see if you have relief. It is true that if you go on a gluten free diet that it can alter some of the tests. I would suggest starting the gluten free diet for 1 month to see if you have relief. If you do, great just continue the diet. If you don't then we need to keep looking and the next test would likely be a endoscopy/colonoscopy."

So here's my dilemma... I have been on the diet for 3 weeks and have had very little relief. I suspect I need to cut out dairy as well (like so many here have suggested because celiacs often have trouble with dairy at least at the beginning). My doc referred me to a dietician to get some support and I met with her today. She suggested that it could be up to 6 months before I really feel better (HUH!?!?!). Upon talking she did say that if I chose not to get tested yet that cross-contamination and dairy could be the culprits for why I'm not getting better, that or it is just going to take longer for me.

What would the main argument be for chucking it all, eating gluten again for awhile to counteract any effect my not eating it has had and then going for the dreaded testing? My doctor seems to think that a true diagnosis isn't necessary, that if I do the diet and feel better that's good enough to know that's what I need to do (given that there is no other treatment than diet anyway). So why go through all that (convince me please)?

My other option would be to tighten up on the diet even more by eliminating ALL cross-contamination (I still share a toaster, peanut butter jar, etc, because I didn't think during the initial trial phase those things would matter because I'd probably get better initially and then backslide from the cc, but the intial getting better hasn't occurred yet), as well as eliminate dairy. BUT- here is where it gets really confusing for me. How long would I have to do these things to really know if this is what my problem is in the end? Without testing I am shooting in the dark for an unspecified period of time waiting to see if I feel better.

Yes, I am a big baby and don't really want to get scoped from both ends, but I also don't want to waste time on a diet that might not help me in the end and then I'll find myself being scoped anyway to look for other things.

Am I rambling as bad as I think I am? Bottom line- I am already 3 weeks into the diet with little improvement but there are still other changes I can make here so I'm not sure I can really say the diet is a failure yet.... do I do that, or just bite the bullet and get tested? My doc will do whatever I want her to do.

thanks for your support!

Denise


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



ravenwoodglass Mentor

My other option would be to tighten up on the diet even more by eliminating ALL cross-contamination (I still share a toaster, peanut butter jar, etc, because I didn't think during the initial trial phase those things would matter because I'd probably get better initially and then backslide from the cc, but the intial getting better hasn't occurred yet), as well as eliminate dairy. BUT- here is where it gets really confusing for me. How long would I have to do these things to really know if this is what my problem is in the end? Without testing I am shooting in the dark for an unspecified period of time waiting to see if I feel better.

With celiac being an antibody reaction you need to be strict with the diet for it to be effective. You getting cross contaminated will keep the antibody reaction active and that may be why you are not getting any relief. While it can take some time to heal you should notice some relief within a month or so IF you are strict with the diet and also eliminate dairy. Not saying you will be totally healed in that month but you should notice some difference. The best thing to do is to go with whole unprocessed foods, avoid restaurants, check all meds and supplements and take the precautions you need to at home. If you decide to go the testing route then start back on a full gluten diet but be aware that there can be false negatives with both blood and biopsy so you would need to do a strict trial after those tests are done no matter what the results.

tarnalberry Community Regular

My other option would be to tighten up on the diet even more by eliminating ALL cross-contamination (I still share a toaster, peanut butter jar, etc, because I didn't think during the initial trial phase those things would matter because I'd probably get better initially and then backslide from the cc, but the intial getting better hasn't occurred yet), as well as eliminate dairy. BUT- here is where it gets really confusing for me. How long would I have to do these things to really know if this is what my problem is in the end? Without testing I am shooting in the dark for an unspecified period of time waiting to see if I feel better.

...

Am I rambling as bad as I think I am? Bottom line- I am already 3 weeks into the diet with little improvement but there are still other changes I can make here so I'm not sure I can really say the diet is a failure yet.... do I do that, or just bite the bullet and get tested? My doc will do whatever I want her to do.

Here's the thing - you are NOT three weeks into the diet. You are getting gluten, regularly it looks like, from shared sources. So... you're... zero weeks into the diet? Try going truly gluten free for at least a month to see if you notice any changes. Yes, it might take six months for a big difference, but during that first month, you want to see if you notice *any* improvements.

waitingtopounce Rookie

The reason why I am trying to get someone to say it's "official" for me is so that I can have a document for my FMLA at work. This whole thing has already made me use up my sick and personal leave this year and me and my husband had taken a big trip in the beginning of the summer before all of this started to get really bad. I don't want to end up in this situation again, so I want to make sure I have an FMLA on file that states I have a chronic condition.

That's my 2 cents. Now I just have to figure out how to get the doctor's to actually follow the correct procedure's testing wise.

Lostfalls Newbie

The reason why I am trying to get someone to say it's "official" for me is so that I can have a document for my FMLA at work. This whole thing has already made me use up my sick and personal leave this year and me and my husband had taken a big trip in the beginning of the summer before all of this started to get really bad. I don't want to end up in this situation again, so I want to make sure I have an FMLA on file that states I have a chronic condition.

That's my 2 cents. Now I just have to figure out how to get the doctor's to actually follow the correct procedure's testing wise.

Thank you - that is the first logical reason for getting an official "you have celiac disease" diagnoses. That makes sense and seems like a prudent thing to do. I too have missed alot of work because of "being glutened" and I know they think i am out having fun somewhere because it does happen more frequently than say a "cold".

I have been on here for awhile a don't (didn't) understand the value that some place on getting diagnosed. I mean you can't do much of anything other than change your lifestyle, right? And if you do and your symptoms go away, who the heck cares how many tests you've had done and when or how you were proclaimed "celiac". But having a FMLA document on file to save your job makes sense. Though still I don't get why so many folks put it on their signature for the forum.... you don't have to prove it to me - I don't know anyone that would go gluten free "for the fun of it". If you are gluten-free its usually cause of one health concern or another that you have to be - to me they all are important one is not "better" than the other....

Looking for answers Contributor

Though still I don't get why so many folks put it on their signature for the forum.... you don't have to prove it to me - I don't know anyone that would go gluten free "for the fun of it".

Signatures are primarily used to provide history so you don't have to constantly repeat yourself in your posts, as history and current intolerances usually play a part in questioning or providing insights to others.

scouter99 Newbie

Thanks for responding, everyone!! I have decided to stick with the diet for now because as one person mentioned- I was NOT really doing the diet properly!

I bought a new toaster, and am avoiding cross-contamination. I have eliminated dairy AND coffee as well and lo-and-behold, I am feeling better the last few days (haven't had a good day in a long time, and now I'm on day 3)!!! I ate out with my husband this past Friday and while I talked to the kitchen and told them my needs and thought I did it right, I felt HORRIBLE for a few days afterward! I decided that for now eating out probably isn't the best idea so I'm going to have to avoid it for now.

Denise

Signatures are primarily used to provide history so you don't have to constantly repeat yourself in your posts, as history and current intolerances usually play a part in questioning or providing insights to others.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    2. - Jane02 replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    3. - knitty kitty replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    4. 0

      Penobscot Bay, Maine: Nurturing Gluten-Free Wellness Retreat with expert celiac dietitian, Melinda Dennis

    5. - Scott Adams replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,329
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    klkarius
    Newest Member
    klkarius
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Who's Online (See full list)

  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      @Jane02, I hear you about the kale and collard greens.  I don't do dairy and must eat green leafies, too, to get sufficient calcium.  I must be very careful because some calcium supplements are made from ground up crustacean shells.  When I was deficient in Vitamin D, I took high doses of Vitamin D to correct the deficiency quickly.  This is safe and nontoxic.  Vitamin D level should be above 70 nmol/L.  Lifeguards and indigenous Pacific Islanders typically have levels between 80-100 nmol/L.   Levels lower than this are based on amount needed to prevent disease like rickets and osteomalacia. We need more thiamine when we're physically ill, emotionally and mentally stressed, and if we exercise like an athlete or laborer.  We need more thiamine if we eat a diet high in simple carbohydrates.  For every 500 kcal of carbohydrates, we need 500-1000 mg more of thiamine to process the carbs into energy.  If there's insufficient thiamine the carbs get stored as fat.  Again, recommended levels set for thiamine are based on minimum amounts needed to prevent disease.  This is often not adequate for optimum health, nor sufficient for people with absorption problems such as Celiac disease.  Gluten free processed foods are not enriched with vitamins like their gluten containing counterparts.  Adding a B Complex and additional thiamine improves health for Celiacs.  Thiamine is safe and nontoxic even in high doses.  Thiamine helps the mitochondria in cells to function.  Thiamine interacts with each of the other B vitamins.  They are all water soluble and easily excreted if not needed. Interesting Reading: Clinical trial: B vitamins improve health in patients with coeliac disease living on a gluten-free diet https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19154566/ Safety and effectiveness of vitamin D mega-dose: A systematic review https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34857184/ High dose dietary vitamin D allocates surplus calories to muscle and growth instead of fat via modulation of myostatin and leptin signaling https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38766160/ Safety of High-Dose Vitamin D Supplementation: Secondary Analysis of a Randomized Controlled Trial https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31746327/ Vitamins and Celiac Disease: Beyond Vitamin D https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11857425/ Investigating the therapeutic potential of tryptophan and vitamin A in modulating immune responses in celiac disease: an experimental study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40178602/ Investigating the Impact of Vitamin A and Amino Acids on Immune Responses in Celiac Disease Patients https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10814138/
    • Jane02
      Thank you so much @knitty kitty for this insightful information! I would have never considered fractionated coconut oil to be a potential source of GI upset. I will consider all the info you shared. Very interesting about the Thiamine deficiency.  I've tracked daily averages of my intake in a nutrition software. The only nutrient I can't consistently meet from my diet is vitamin D. Calcium is a hit and miss as I rely on vegetables, dark leafy greens as a major source, for my calcium intake. I'm able to meet it when I either eat or juice a bundle of kale or collard greens daily haha. My thiamine intake is roughly 120% of my needs, although I do recognize that I may not be absorbing all of these nutrients consistently with intermittent unintentional exposures to gluten.  My vitamin A intake is roughly 900% (~6400 mcg/d) of my needs as I eat a lot of sweet potato, although since it's plant-derived vitamin A (beta-carotene) apparently it's not likely to cause toxicity.  Thanks again! 
    • knitty kitty
      Hello, @Jane02,  I take Naturewise D 3.  It contains olive oil.   Some Vitamin D supplements, like D Drops, are made with fractionated coconut oil which can cause digestive upsets.  Fractionated coconut oil is not the same as coconut oil used for cooking.  Fractionated coconut oil has been treated for longer shelf life, so it won't go bad in the jar, and thus may be irritating to the digestive system. I avoid supplements made with soy because many people with Celiac Disease also react to soy.  Mixed tocopherols, an ingredient in Thornes Vitamin D, may be sourced from soy oil.  Kirkland's has soy on its ingredient list. I avoid things that might contain or be exposed to crustaceans, like Metagenics says on its label.  I have a crustacean/shellfish/fish allergy.  I like Life Extension Bioactive Complete B Complex.  I take additional Thiamine B 1 in the form Benfotiamine which helps the intestines heal, Life Extension MegaBenfotiamine. Thiamine is needed to activate Vitamin D.   Low thiamine can make one feel like they are getting glutened after a meal containing lots of simple carbohydrates like white rice, or processed gluten free foods like cookies and pasta.   It's rare to have a single vitamin deficiency.  The water soluble B Complex vitamins should be supplemented together with additional Thiamine in the form Benfotiamine and Thiamine TTFD (tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide) to correct subclinical deficiencies that don't show up on blood tests.  These are subclinical deficiencies within organs and tissues.  Blood is a transportation system.  The body will deplete tissues and organs in order to keep a supply of thiamine in the bloodstream going to the brain and heart.   If you're low in Vitamin D, you may well be low in other fat soluble vitamins like Vitamin A and Vitamin K. Have you seen a dietician?
    • Scott Adams
      I do not know this, but since they are labelled gluten-free, and are not really a product that could easily be contaminated when making them (there would be not flour in the air of such a facility, for example), I don't really see contamination as something to be concerned about for this type of product. 
    • trents
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.