Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Lamenting


October3

Recommended Posts

October3 Explorer

Sigh.... The saga continues. Now really sure what the next step is from here.

Let's see if I can summarize the past year - My son got really worn down last winter. Took him to doc, blood test showed anemia - not a huge surprise because he has been anemic off and on his whole life. Doc said go to GI again (previously worked up for recurrent anemia at age 18mths - 2yrs with no answer). GI did a work up, tTG was elevated to 48 (moderate). Scope was done in January - totally normal/ negative biopsies. GI said watch him, supplement with iron, check iron levels quarterly, and come back in a year but don't change diet. We opted instead to 1st get the anemia resolved so Jan - April we supplemented. In April tTG had dropped to 22 with no dietary changes, anemia was resolved though iron stores were still low. April - June we eliminated gluten and stopped the supplements. Hemoglobin dropped to boarderline anemic again, tTG was down to 14 (normal range). June - October we reintroduced gluten (no immediate changes in behavior or GI symptoms with or without gluten). By late Sept though he was a disaster - fussy, major meltdown, complaining of headaches and feeling like he was going to puke all the time. During this time we were supplementing with the same thing we had used earlier in the year that effectively brought his hemoglobin up. We ran out of vitamins for a few weeks and then started him on Floradix with the thought that it is supposed to absorb better and it also has B vits. We also started him on D vits - all this around the 1st of Oct. After 3 weeks on the new supplement plan we checked him and his hemoglobin is the worst its been all year, his tTG is back to 35, his retic count is non-existant. His blood work is the worst it has ever been. Yet, he's feeling great on the new vitamin regimen, so I'm totally confused. Meltdowns, headaches, puky feeling all gone.

I'm thinking now the Floradix doesn't have enough iron in the children's dose so that might explain some of the drop, but why were the children's chewable vits working fine last winter and not now? And more importantly, how do we get an answer as to whether gluten is the problem? If gluten isn't going to cause him to feel sick we really hesitate to say he has to be strictly off it. I really want to know beyond a hunch that gluten is the problem before we say no gluten for the rest of your childhood. It would be so much easier if he had diarrhea or tummy aches or something that responded to going gluten free and then a gluten trial. Or a more convincing tTG that clearly dropped only when gluten was elminated (not before) and went up only when it was reintroduced. Or a positive scope. But it is just all so ambiguous. Sigh....

So what now? Take him to Maryland? Another longer gluten elmination?


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Roda Rising Star

I would gander to say that he has celiac disease. I am of the opinion that there is no good reason for a child or anyone, in the absence of other autoimmune disorders that could falsly elevate the tTG, to produce those antibodies unless they have celiac. Not all people that have celiac have gi symptoms. Unexplained anemia is a big red flag and so are the behavior changes. Kids are weird in that they can have "honeymoon" periods and seem fine. I think my youngest son(he is 6 almost 7) did just that. In hindsite I think he was celiac as a baby, by age 3-3.5 seemed fine until age 5.5 when weird symptoms etc. cropped up. He had tummy aches, occasional fat in his stool, emotional breakdowns, temper tantrums and a weird obcession with his shoes. I had his tTG repeated (I had him tested when I was diagnosed and tTG neg) and it was positive. I felt I did not need to put him through a scope/biopsy so I put him gluten free immediatly. Hubby regretted it after about a month into it. I did challenge him at 4.5 months after he went gluten free. I was going to do the full three months challenge for the scope/biopsy, but after three days he was reacting so badly, my skeptical husband called the challenge off. My poor son was miserable to say the least. All his problems came back worse. We consider him diagnosed. I may get him gene tested to see if he has the "common" genes. If he does then he can be formally diagnosed with that, positive blood work, symptoms, reponse to the diet, and recurrance of symptoms with gluten reintroduction. My oldest son(he is 10) was the one I was sure had celiac. He is so much like me when I was young. I have had him blood tested 4-5 times and every time he is overwhelmingly negative. I have been toying with the idea for two years to put him gluten free. I couldn't bring myself to do it without "more" evidence. I took him to a gi doc in July to see if she would scope him. She repeated the blood work(negative) and he had the scope in Aug. She agreed, since there were two people in his immediate family with it and for the possibility he was a sero negative celiac. His scope was negative as well. I put him gluten free anyway 1.5 weeks after. I still was having problems commiting him to it, but I'm so glad I did. My only regret is that I wish I could have decided this two years ago. Complaints he had are now resolved, his color has improved, he is gaining weight and I feel like he is going to start growing. I am planning on challenging him in December to see what kind of reaction he has. I don't think it will be as severe as brother and I but I still feel he will need to be gluten free for good as well. The gi doctor is willing to diagnose him as gluten intolerent. He goes back in Jan so we can report his progress and how the challenge went. So the long story is maybe to give you some insite on other's strugle with commiting your child to this diet. It is hard and it took me two years to commit for my oldest son. I had no problems whatsoever commiting my youngest son. I would have no problems if my son was experiencing what yours is, and with a repeated positive tTG, putting him gluten free for good. I think eventually you will have a much healthier child once gluten free. It does take time to heal.

October3 Explorer

Roda, Thanks for sharing your story. It helps to hear other parents of similar aged kids and the way they have reached the decision to be gluten-free. It is such a tricky disease in that there are so many different ways it can manifest.

On the point of behavior, I don't think my son's behavior is affected by gluten at all. His meltdowns, headaches, upset stomach, and all his other complaints seem to be tied to the anemia but not the gluten. He is much better now that we have him on the Floradix even though he is still on gluten as this point. If I could find some sort of symptom that seemed better off gluten the decision would be much easier.

Roda Rising Star

Roda, Thanks for sharing your story. It helps to hear other parents of similar aged kids and the way they have reached the decision to be gluten-free. It is such a tricky disease in that there are so many different ways it can manifest.

On the point of behavior, I don't think my son's behavior is affected by gluten at all. His meltdowns, headaches, upset stomach, and all his other complaints seem to be tied to the anemia but not the gluten. He is much better now that we have him on the Floradix even though he is still on gluten as this point. If I could find some sort of symptom that seemed better off gluten the decision would be much easier.

Eventually you will reach that point and just do it. There will still be that nagging thought of "did I do the right thing." I am so glad I did with my 10 year old. We are getting to a point that all of his peers are growing and changing and he is so little. My boys are almost 4 years apart in age and my youngest son (he has really grown so much since he has been gluten free) is not that much smaller than him. If it were me, I would put your son back on the diet and stick to it for a good 3-4 months, keep supplementing, then see what happens. I didn't reintroduce gluten for 4.5 month for younger brother and it will end up the same for big brother. I am now just getting over a mild glutening(I'm the radar detector in the house) so I know both the boys got some to since we ate the same things. Little brother showed mild sympoms but I wasn't sure about the older one. I think he is going to be harder to tell and with more delayed reaction. Yesterday though he complained of really bad gas pains and took a gas ex pill. He hasn't had that in almost two months.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - Scott Adams replied to FannyRD's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      2

      Gluten free phosphate binders for dialysis patients

    2. - Scott Adams replied to Cecile's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      2

      Symptoms

    3. - trents replied to Cecile's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      2

      Symptoms

    4. - FannyRD posted a topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      2

      Gluten free phosphate binders for dialysis patients

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,180
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Eldret419
    Newest Member
    Eldret419
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • FannyRD
      Thanks for the resource! I will check it out!
    • Scott Adams
      You can search this site for prescriptions medications, but will need to know the manufacturer/maker if there is more than one, especially if you use a generic version of the medication: To see the ingredients you will need to click on the correct version of the medication and maker in the results, then scroll down to "Ingredients and Appearance" and click it, and then look at "Inactive Ingredients," as any gluten ingredients would likely appear there, rather than in the Active Ingredients area. https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/   
    • Scott Adams
      Living with celiac disease can be especially hard when you’re in a smaller town and don’t have many people around who truly understand it, so you’re definitely not alone in feeling this way. Ongoing fatigue, joint pain, and headaches are unfortunately common in people with celiac disease, even years after diagnosis, and they aren’t always caused by gluten exposure alone. Many people find that issues like low iron, low vitamin D, thyroid problems, other autoimmune conditions, or lingering inflammation can contribute to that deep exhaustion, so it’s reasonable to push your doctor for more thorough blood work beyond just vitamin B. As for eggs, it’s also not unusual for people with celiac disease to develop additional food intolerances over time; tolerating eggs as an ingredient but not on their own can point to sensitivity to the proteins when they’re concentrated. Some people do better avoiding eggs for a while, then carefully testing them again later. Most importantly, trust your body—if something consistently makes you feel awful, it’s okay to avoid it even if it’s technically “allowed.” Many of us have had to advocate hard for ourselves medically, and connecting with other people with celiac disease, even online, can make a huge difference in feeling supported and less isolated.
    • trents
      Welcome to the celiac.com community, @Cecile! It is common for those with celiac disease to develop sensitivity/intolerance to non-gluten containing foods. There is a high incidence of this with particularly with regard to dairy products and oats but soy, eggs and corn are also fairy common offenders. Like you eggs give me problems depending on how they are cooked. I don't do well with them when fried or scrambled but they don't give me an issue when included in baked and cooked food dishes or when poached. I have done some research on this strange phenomenon and it seems that when eggs are cooked with water, there is a hydrolysis process that occurs which alters the egg protein such that it does not trigger the sensitivity/intolerance reaction. Same thing happens when eggs are included in baked goods or other cooked dishes since those recipes provide moisture.  So, let me encourage you to try poaching your eggs when you have them for breakfast. You can buy inexpensive egg poacher devices that make this easy in the microwave. For instance:  https://www.amazon.com/Poacher-Microwave-Nonstick-Specialty-Cookware/dp/B0D72VLFJR/ Crack the eggs into the cups of the poacher and then "spritz" some water on top of them after getting your fingers wet under the faucet. About 1/4 teaspoon on each side seems to work. Sprinkle some salt and pepper on top and then snap the poacher shut. I find that with a 1000 watt microwave, cooking for about 2 minutes or slightly more is about right. I give them about 130 seconds. Fatigue and joint pain are well-established health problems related to celiac disease.  Are you diligent to eat gluten-free? Have you been checked recently for vitamin and mineral deficiencies? Especially iron stores, B12 and D3. Have you had your thyroid enzyme levels checked? Are you taking any vitamin and mineral supplements? If not, you probably should be. Celiac disease is also a nutrient deficiency disease because it reduces the efficiency of nutrient absorption by the small bowel. We routinely recommend celiacs to supplement with a high potency B-complex vitamin, D3, Magnesium glycinate (the "glycinate" is important) and Zinc. Make sure all supplements are gluten-free. Finally, don't rule out other medical problems that may or may be associated with your celiac disease. We celiacs often focus on our celaic disease and assume it is the reason for all other ailments and it may not be. What about chronic fatigue syndrome for instance?
    • FannyRD
      I work as a renal RD and have a Celiac pt which has been rare for me (I might have had 3-4 Celiac pts in 15 years). I wondered if anyone can confirm that these medications are gluten free and safe for Celiac.  Ferric citrate (Auryxia)  Sucroferric oxyhydroxide (Velphoro)  lanthanum carbonate (Fosrenol) sevelamer carbonate (Renvela)   Thank you!
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.