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I have this problem mainly on gluten. Right now for example, I don't know why I bother eating fruits and vegetables. It's like anything with a cell wall goes right through me undigested. I had asparagus come out whole and I SWEAR I chewed more than that! I had a chunk of blueberry muffin go through practically unscathed the other day

It's totally gross.

I don't think eating those things is going to hurt you, certainly. Sorry, I don't have much advice to give. I was about to post this thread myself.

Thanks for the recipe! Being a southern girl, I miss my chicken fried steak! I'm also missing my chicken biscuits and fried okra... help me! LOL!

oh, and if anyone can come up with a gluten-free recipe for Krispy Kremes I will kiss you!

What's your old chicken biscuit recipe? Maybe we can modify it

As for fried okra (yum!), I'm modifying a recipe from Paula Deen, as she is the perfect Southern cook

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FRIED OKRA

6 cups oil, for frying

1/2 cup cornmeal

1 cup flour blend

2 teaspoons garlic salt/lemon pepper

1/4 teaspoon cayenne pepper

2 pounds fresh okra, sliced 1/2-inch thick

1/2 cup buttermilk

Heat oil in a large, heavy-bottomed skillet or Dutch oven to 350 degrees F. (You may not need to use this much oil; do not fill the pan more than halfway up the sides with oil.)

In a medium bowl, combine cornmeal, flour, Seasoning, and cayenne pepper. Dip okra in buttermilk and then dredge in cornmeal-flour mixture to coat well. Carefully add okra to the hot oil and cook until golden brown. (It may be necessary to fry the okra in batches.) Remove from oil, drain on paper towels, and then serve immediately.

I'm going to say to use the same flour blend as for the steak, since it seems to work well for frying. I also changed her seasoning, because she had her house seasoning which is on the link I posted. I just changed it to garlic salt/lemon pepper because that's my house seasoning. In reality, her house seasoning is the same as mine except I use lemon pepper instead of plain pepper.

Well I'm kinda sorta from Syracuse, in the sense that I was born there. So I know about things like....half moons? Isn't that a Syracuse thing?

But the Southern stuff...that is all lost on me. I always thought chicken fried steak was just some nasty part of the chicken fried up (I don't know why I thought this)

Yeah! Half-moons were the best! I thinkthe rest of the state calls them black and white cookies, how lame

How cool that you were born in Syracuse! Jersey and I even went to the same high school at different times and had at least one teacher in common

Now, if I can figure out how to make decent sausage gravy for my whole foods biscuits...

I think if you cook up the sausage and remove it then follow the same method/flour blend for the steaks, you should get good results that way. I made it with just cornstarch once and it was pretty gross.

Tonight I made the Greek Rice and it is so tasty. Had a salad and a fruit salad for desert.

I'm glad you liked it It's a family favorite and is great for poor college students

Did you have it with apple sauce? The apple sauce is essential, IMO.

I can't believe I'm admitting this, but I always thought chicken fried steak was made with chicken

I've obviously never had it. I think I saw it once, in some sort of cafeteria, but the meat was not very identifiable

Hmmm....it all makes sense now

I guess you're not from the South

When we lived in Syracuse and my friends would ask me what I had for dinner and if I said chicken fried steak, I got met with a

Same goes for ham hocks and beans, biscuits and gravy....I'm a yank raised by southerners, I'm definitely southern

I can't count how many time people have asked "So will you die?" and I say "No, I won't pass out right here at the table" and they let out their breath and sigh like 'well, it isn't that serious' and I want to show them pictures of my poop!!!!!!!!

Yeah, it's that whole thing like, "well you don't look sick" or "if you've had this for a long time, how come you weren't sick all the time?"

Well, you're not with me in the bathroom, now are you? I had a friend say that to me who had seen me in bed, writhing in pain, going to the emergency room, all the time.

I guess it is that "common bond" thing...

Yup! You know how some breeds of dogs recognize eachother as being the same breed? (I'm thinking of pugs)

We're a lot like that

As for your last point, I have no idea how desperate people are, in fact I have encountered the opposite- everyone seems quite happy with their lot and seem to treat new methods of treatment with complete disdain. Aside from the diarrhea issue, I can't see this big tragedy you think will happen with the flush. It's just scare-mongering speculation. It's like refusing to leave your home because you might get knocked over by a car.

I'll say this and then I'm done -

I think I can safely say that most people on here have tried damn near everything to feel better.

Celiac Disease takes an average of 11 years to diagnose. That's 11 years of deterioration and suffering due to a lack of knowledge from the medical community. Most of that stems from the fact that up until a few years ago, dr's were taught that celiac disease was very rare and they weren't likley to ever see one. We now know the number is 1 in 133, meaning most dr's see them, but there's a learning curve. I'm not making excuses for dr's, huge numbers are "medical dieties" and totally clueless.

As a group, we keep a very close watch on new developments in treatment, but we've got very sensitive quack detectors too. I don't think disdain is the word I'd use. More like skepticism. We know how the disease works better than our doctors do and what works to treat it at this moment in time. We're happy with our current treatment because it works.

And the diarrhea is the big tragedy. For someone with chronic diarrhea, as in years of it, usually daily, more diarrhea on purpose can be very VERY damaging. Doing a liver cleanse under those conditions isn't like not leaving the house for fear of being hit by a car. It's more like being hit by a car and then playing in traffic. It's asking for trouble.

I'm off my soapbox now.

How cool! Cinnanella...that's so cute!

Let me get one thing straight - I am not anti-alternative medicine. I've had the medical community fail me many times and I was brought up to use homeopathic methods first, and go to drs and take meds only when absolutely necessary. As an example, I have had saline in more cavities more times than I wish to recount.

Well known alternative medicine doctors don't even back this up. A great example is Dr. Weil. Open Original Shared Link

I haven't found a doctor, homeopathic or otherwise, in my research that reccomends it unless they have a vested interest in it through books, etc.

It also goes against plain old common sense for someone with a dysfunctional digestive tract and immune system to purposefully put themselves through something like a cleanse. For a normal, healthy person, sure, do what you want and see if it works. If I were healthy, I might do it. I just don't think it's a good idea to tell people that are sick and grasping for anything to do something that would probably make them sicker.

I don't mind if you do flush, it's a free world, but it would be refreshing if your responded with something intelligent instead of saying you will "screw up your body" if you do the flush and quoting a paragraph from curezone (what do you expect them to say?). This comment is based on pure ignorance.

Someone like Carla, who is does not look at every comment with intense cynicism like many here, may benefit from this and it would be a shame if she was scare-mongered out of it by people who will find a cloud in everything.

It's a sure sign that an argument is deteriorating when you're criticizing the spelling, semantics, and grammar of another person in the discussion. I also didn't quote a paragraph from curezone, that was 2kids4me. I read the article that YOU YOURSELF provided, and discussed that. Sorry, I thought I was making an intelligent argument there.

It's incredibly easy for someone who has never experienced a disease to suggest a cure. Until you yourself experience the physical consequences of chronic diarrhea, you have no idea what you're dealing with. Same goes for celiac disease/gluten intolerance. Dehydration, mineral depletion, vitamin deficiency, weight loss, pain, lightheadedness, irritation, hemmerhoids, the list goes on. For someone with a reasonably normally functioning digestive system, diarrhea for a few days feels cleansing. For a celiac, taking laxative on top of the diarrhea that is already occuring is asking for a hospital visit. If I remember correctly, epsom salts are a pretty powerful laxative.

Celiac is no more curable than type 1 diabetes, cystic fibrosis, lupus, or multiple sclerosis. We're lucky in that we have a known cause for our illness and a way to treat it, without drugs.

My intense "cynicism" towards liver flushes is that they are dangerous, especially for a celiac. So is the thought that celiac disease can be cured with a flush of olive oil, epsom salts, and lemon juice. That is an opinion formed by research. When you give me a peer reviewed study on the safety and effectiveness of a liver cleanse, then maybe you'll be able to convince me otherwise. You say mainstream medicine only looks at treatments with drugs and surgeries? OK, explain the multiple studies in every reputable medical journey about the effectiveness of the gluten-free diet for celiacs, or diet for managing type 2 diabetes.

Well, I know Tiffany is going to a good doctor, because she's going to my doctor

Now, knowing her, she'll probably look at the results and your dietary response and dx you celiac. At least gluten intolerance. I'm not sure she even sees them as different. I didn't even have enterolab done and she dx'ed me on dietary response and a high IgG alone. I wouldn't be surprised if she gives you a note. Make sure you talk to her a lot first, though

I would be surprised if she told you to eat wheat again to be retested if it's making you sick.

She has a duh approach along the lines of, "if it hurts when you poke it, don't poke!"

That cat drunk on beer?

[giggle] I love this forum -- don't you.

The CNN TV Interview LARRY KING LIVE was not the same article as the one in 2000 you linked above. I will find the interview and what was said and correct what was in·ter·pret·ed.

Very smart thinking great books.

Stay Well and God Bless!

Is this the interview you're talking about? Open Original Shared Link

It was aired June 16th of this year.

Correct me if that's not the one, but it certainly sounds like what you described.

KING: As long as you have the test, haven't we made great strides Dr. Weil in colon cancer, just do the colonoscopy regularly?

WEIL: Yeah that certainly is helpful and again colon cancer is one that looks as if there's a strong relationship to diet. It's another form of cancer which if caught early is completely curable. I think it's one that we'll make strides with. I think again here is an area where eating properly, eating an anti-inflammatory diet, taking anti-inflammatory herbs, low doses of aspirin, all these are strongly preventive, and that combined with the diagnostic tests should identify early colon cancer in most cases.

KING: Dr. Gupta, almost every subject we mention, diet gets mentioned. Does that surprise you?

GUPTA: No, it doesn't surprise me at all. There's a lot certainly about when it comes to cancer, some of the other things that we've been talking about, that we still haven't completely figured out with regards to the relationship with diet. But you know the turmeric, for example, with Alzheimer's or the high fiber diet with colon cancer, those things are starting to become increasingly well known, and hopefully become increasingly more recommended by doctors. You know doctors still a lot of times focus on the medications and the operations and less so on some of these preventative and easier quite frankly, methods of trying to prevent these things.

I guess I'm in·ter·pret·ing that differently.

The cat is sniffing the beer bottle, not drinking beer.

Oh joy, diarrhea for two days. That's exciting! And certainly not a daily occurance in MANY MANY celiacs.

I will make the statement again, don't go screwing up your body even more if your body is already screwed up. Celiacs don't need to do anything more to their already messed up digestive systems. JMHO.

This sounds so awesome as I love chicken fried steak. But, I have to leave the cornstartch out. Maybe I will use a little more potaote starch in place of it, unless you have a better idea. Thank you.

Yeah, I think any starch will do, I just had corn starch on hand. You could use tapioca, I don't, because I'm a bit sensitive to it. I don't see why more potato starch wouldn't work

I haven't made chicken-fried steak (DH's favorite meal) since January, before I was gluten-free. Needing iron desperately coupled with desperately needing to buy some meat at Sam's, the time had come for me to use up some cube steaks I had kicking around my freezer.

I have been deathly afraid of making chicken-fried steak gluten-free. I didn't want to disappoint. I didn't want to deal with wierd flours. I sucked it up and made the dish thusly:

Flour mixture:

2 c. brown rice flour

3/4 c. potato starch

1/4 c. cornstarch

3 tsp. xanthan gum

Other ingredients:

1c flour mixture

garlic salt

lemon pepper

2-4 cube steaks

2 c. milk or substitute

Oil for frying (I use shortening)

-Heat 1 inch of oil over medium/medium high heat in a heavy pan (I use cast iron)

-Season about a cup of the flour with garlic salt and lemon pepper (I've never measured, but slightly more than you think you need), and dredge cube steaks completely, lightly shake off excess

-Place steaks in the hot oil, and cook about 7 minutes on each side, or until lightly browned. Remove and drain on paper towels, keep warm.

-Remove the oil and reserve ~2 tbsp drippings in the pan. Heat pan over med heat and add ~3 tbsp. of the seasoned flour mixture and make a roux. After a few minutes of cooking the flour (stirring constantly), add 2 c. milk and bring to a boil, stirring constantly. Cook and stir until thickened. Season if necessary (there should be enough from the flour)

Serve with favorite veggies!

This completely made my day! DH didn't know there was anything different, and I'm happy to have this old family favorite back

I'm a supertaster apparently, but I like all the foods that they said I wouldn't as a supertaster. Go figure

I think that test had more to do with food snobbery than tasting food

I don't think it's related to the metallic thing, I don't know what that's about.

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For how long? I have them all over the back of my left hand

I make that too! I usually make it in a 3 day series of tomato sauce things (I always make my sauce and it makes a bunch)

Day 1: Spaghetti

Day 2: chicken parmesan (I use an egg instead of the butter mixture, italian seasoning in the breadcrumbs, and pan fry a bit first, and at the end of baking, I smother it in sauce and mozzarella. YUM!)

Day 3: pizza!

Your version looks good, too!

Pork gelatin might be okay if I could find a clean source -- many companies add things to such products. My other thought was that the honey or agave nectar would be sticky enough to serve as abinder -- and they'd add some additional flavor to the recipe. Thanks for replying and I hope you'll be able to help me figure this out.

Unfortunately, I don't think the honey or agave would really help it stay together, I'm thinking it would actually promote crumbling. OK, I'm going to attempt it, though I don't know if it will work:

1.5 cups sweet rice flour

1 cup millet flour

1/2 cup brown rice flour

4 tsp. baking soda

1 tsp. salt

1 3/4 cups liquid (try to use something other than water)

1/8 cup honey

1/4 cup extra light olive oil

Mix dry ingredients. Mix liquid ingredients and add to dry. Spoon into large muffin tins immediately and bake for 40 minutes (or until golden brown) at 375 degress F.

I don't have a clue if it would work, but it's worth a shot, right?

His former wife? That should have been a clue for him not to eat it!

And I would have said it, and turned on my heel and left.

GRAINS ARE POISON! JUST LIKE SOY. There is plenty of fiber in ther gluten free gluten-free dairy free DF soy free SF food we eat.

ON CNN LAST WEEK THERE WERE ABOUT 8 OF THE ALTERNATIVE MED DOCS ON. THEY ALL AGREED NEW RESEARCH IS COMING OUT it's this simple...

HIGH FIBER = COLON CANCER

DANGEROUS GRAINS IS A MUST READ. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE CONCEPT UNTIL I READ IT. I HAVE THE BOOK "I was poisoned by my body" ON ORDER.

AS TIME PASSES AND WE ARE REACTIVE - we learn you can NOT TRUST big business they lie. Look at Mc Donalds. Look at IMODIUM liquid has gluten, corn, and everything that will kill us Celiac's. I have been taking Imodium for 10 years now, not knowing it was making my celiac disease worse.

Walmart brand is the same was every thing - I mean everything is cross contaminated. BEWARE!

Don't put anything in your mouth or on your body you haven't researched and know what every ingredient means. And then you have to watch out that it hasn't been cross contaminated with something else.

Goodluck - be well!

First, that study did not say HIGH FIBER = COLON CANCER, it said HIGH FIBER doesn't affect ones chances of getting COLON CANCER. It was also only a three year study, and even the researchers said that's not necessarily long enough to come to a conclusion. Here's the link to the CNN story: Open Original Shared Link

Also, all grains are not poison. Are some people intolerant of them? Absolutely. Are many celiacs sensitive to all grains? Sure. Are they bad for the general population? In their natural form, not really.

Same thing with soy and corn. In their highly overprocessed state, no, they are not healthy for anyone. Are they in and of themselves poison? No. And sure, some people react to them both, but again, most don't.

And I'm glad drug companies use corn as a binder, it's a lot better than gluten for us! It's cheap and widely available, and safe for the VAST MAJORITY of people that consume it. What would you rather they use? Remember it has to be both cheap and stable for drug delivery. I'm sorry you have so many intolerances, but remember that businesses are out there to appeal to as many people as possible. They can't please everyone.

Actually, drug delivery is moving in the direction of polymers, so cornstarch may become obsolete in drugs.

Immodium is not poison. The company made a business decision to reformulate their immodium liquid to make it more marketable, and that reformulation included gluten. Up until that reformulation, it was gluten-free. Businesses are out to make money and to market to the general population, which we are not a part of! Even if celiac disease does occur in 1 in every 133 people, that is still less than one percent of the population. We live in a capitalist freemarket society, we have to deal with big companies, liars or not.

By the way, fiber does not just come from grains. It comes from many fruits and vegetables also. Psyllium is from a plant. You can have a high fiber diet without grains of any kind, which is probably healthy to do anyway. There have been strong links to fiber and the reduction of cholesterol.

What is the scoop on malt Flavoring?? Anybody??

It definitely has gluten. Unless it says it's rice malt, it's from barley.

On the other hand, we all know that Western Medicine treats EVERYTHING by surgical, chemical, or radiological methods. Just look at all the ads for IBS meds, ADD meds, even meds for the common cold!

Also true, but ravenwoodglass has a point, the only plausible place these stones would come from is the bile duct. If they're intrahepatic stones, they aren't getting out that way.

I don't know though, I pretty much trust the dr's at John's Hopkins. Also, the pharmaceutical companies would have been all over the liver cleanses if they actually worked.

Mine isn't until the end of August, but that's what I needed so that I'd be eating wheat for 3 months. Otherwise it would have been 2 weeks, but that's because my gastro's practice runs the game in town and they have like, 3 endo centers.

In most places that doesn't happen. When I had an endo before, I had to wait 2 and a half months. It all depends on where you are and how packed the facilities are.

Make sure you keep eating lots of gluten until then!