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ROFL...

Alison...if any of my friends saw that!!

This is my secret identity...noone around me knows of my fascination with scientificness.

If I started trying to explain some of this stuff...I think I'd get alot of these looks.

If you have a thread in your name against "scientificness" then what do you expect....

I have never even looked at the RachelVille thread because its very name indicates the content is likely to be is offensive to me.

This is not a criticism of the thread, which I haven't even opened .... indeed If people wish to express their disdain for fact and truth I'd rather its somewhere aside instead of polluting other posts with unsubstantiated beliefs.

All I'm saying is that people including myself will draw their own conclusions and in this case I freely admit my conclusions are simply beliefs that the thread will be offensive based solely on its title, because I see no advantage in clarifying this in the vast scheme of things. Its certainly nothiong personal ..... indeed if it provides a refuge for those who feel comfortable to spend some time in a fantasy world that's more than OK, its helping those people.... its just not (as we English say) my cup of tea.

People offend me everyday by trying to present their unsubstantiated fantasy and beliefs as fact, its something I have to live with and this thread is such a tiny tiny part of that its practically insignificant whereas if I start reading it and it contains what the title promises I'm sure it will wind me up and my posts helping people elsewhere who are willing to accept a little science in thier lives will suffer. I very much doubt its half as bad as I fear .... I just see no advantage in looking to find out?

Hmm... now anyone believe my father was actually Vulcan?

IMHO I would try and cover food intolerances not just celiac....

My reasoning is twofold.... firstly you reassertain that your daughter is "normal" food intolerances are very common... so she is not classed as "different"....

Secondly you stand to help more people....

You can then zoom in on celiac as the one you are familiar with and give more details ...

Well, some people would say no. But since I live in a house where my wife sometimes eats foods with gluten I have a pragmatic approach. We don't segregate dishes or flatware. Everything is washed in the same dishwasher--we only have one! I know gluten can get stuck in porous surfaces, such as scratched plastic (non-stick coating is plastic), or wood. The dishes that have had gluten are rinsed before they go into the dishwasher, but after that, they are not specially tracked and we consider them all to be clean.

Fair enough, everyone can make their own choices but I should add it doesn't need a porous surface, gluten is by its nature very sticky... and the most efficient way to make "pure" gluten is by rinsing wheat flour with an alkaline solution.... such as dishwasher tablets.

My wife lived through the many years of sickness and foul moods that gluten caused me. The last thing she would want to do is expose me to gluten. We are both happy with our arrangement.

If you consider the conditions in a restaurant, any restaurant, that also serves gluten, you will either come the same conclusion that we have, or you will refuse to eat there at all. The restaurant will have one common set of dishes and cutlery, and one pool of pots. They will wash them, once, between uses, in a dishwasher. If you can accept that at a restaurant, home should be no different.

This is really where I disagree.... I view eating in any resto a finite risk over eating at home. Just as you have decided to set your own risk levels at home I set mine with regards to eating out.

The huge difference is that I do not eat out everyday.... I eat out at most once a week.... and even then I am ultra-critical of the silverware.

We can never be 100% risk free.... we live in a word full of gluten but we also to a large extent make our own luck....

I accept the risk of certain resto's on occaision because its on occaision, that doesn't mean I accept the same level of risk on a daily basis.... or 3x a day. Equally I am not telling you that you shouldn't... I just want to point out the difference.

The second thing that is different from a resto to home is that if you get sick in a resto (and most of us do from time to time) you still have your gluten-safe refuge.... home.

Most of the nasiest aspects of celiac disease life threatening) are cumulative effects. D is just an uncomfortable and potentially embarassing side effect but if that was the only reason to be gluten-free I would be back on gluten tomorrow....

Actually one of the major reasons that I am so strict is the same as you say....

the many years of sickness and foul moods that gluten caused me.

However the major reasons are long term neurological damage, cancer, adrenal fatigue/failure, development of further intolerances, etc. etc. and all of these can be equally triggered by long term exposure and noone knows quite how little or how often.

I know that I myself react to the tiniest amount... not always GI, often more neurologically in the first instance.

I view taking a small risk at home as more conducive to developing these serious compicationbs than taking occaisional risks with plenty of time inbetween.

~ No wood in dishwasher, dries it out, leads to cracking, unsightliness, and premature retirement. I hand wash these items, among some others.

At this point, I'm convinced I have some type of infection. I have a gnawing pain on my side that radiates into my back. It is more painful between meals. I also have a loss of appetite. Those are symptoms of an ulcer. Maybe I have an H. Pylori infection. I used to have erosion in my duodenum, and this feels just like that. A little worse though. It takes forever to get an appointment for an endoscopy. I'll give it a few days and see how I feel. I have a cold but that wouldn't cause such severe GI symptoms. It could be the flu but I doubt it. I know I have to change my diet, but I don't think that it is causing these problems at the moment. But who knows I could be wrong.

-Brian

Brian, it doesn't matter what I get be it a cold or whatever, when my GI tract is inflamed from glutening it manages to express itself in my GI tract. The same goes for large changes in diet, normally spicy foods don't affect me at all but when I'm glutened they do, same with anything acid like dry white wines or cider (or pepsi). Same goes for me taking an asprin, stright to my stomach when I'm glutened.

But my old gastroenterologist completely agreed that this was what was going on. I have been told by 2 doctors that drinking 3 gallons a day is safe for me, as long as I add some electrolyte drinks into the mix like gatorade.

Did your old GI say this was short term or something to do for 6 months or more?

Also you said you switched to electrolyte drinks ... after drinking the water... I realise you can't post every detail but did you mean this exactly as you wrote?

In summary, everyone is trying to help you figure what's going on. However you don't seem to be ready to address the issues.

The first is you probably should get tested for diabetes...

Secondly adding some variation ointo your diet, especially vegetables (but carefully I'll cover this later) and cut out the bacon for now because of the salts and preservatives. Some plain pork chops etc. might be a little step you can take.

I agree you should get checked for h. pylori, if it is this then be aware the antibiotics WILL upset your stomach and give you D.

and slowly reduce the water, aim for 2 gallons then 1.5 but stick away from the "fancy stuff" with added this and that.

Since you can tolerate oranges add some OJ as part of the water, usually diluted 50% BUT don't go overboard or this will give you the runs as well. Start with a half glass topped up with plain old water (preferably when you have something in your stomach) ..

Your water may well being diverted, as you point out the body adapts.... but perhaps its only diverting the water because it doesn't know what the heck to do with that volume! I find it hard to beleive your GI meant for you to drink 3 gallons a day for 6 months... you might also consider wether they meant for you to drink 3 gallons a day... or if they did what a lot of Dr's do and suggest a quantity expecting you to drink less. If as you say they were worried at the time about dehydration then they may have figured you were drinking far less than you needed and suggested a quantity they didn't really expect you to maintain, especially for 6 months.

Now regarding vegetables.... avoid the potato's and nightshade group since lots of people are intolerant... and tomatoes and things high in salycilic acid again aniother irritant.

Like I said earlier, this sounds like you got glutened and your reaction to it has extended the GI effects. I'm not saying that's what it is BUT its certainly a possibility and one your not helping yourself with.

I have given myself food issues in the past, I know what it can feel like

At one point I was literally so scared to put anything in my mouth I was hardly eating and my weight plummeted .... I don't actually weigh myself but I usually take 30" waist trousers... (I'm 5'10 and 39 ) but I can go up to 32 sometimes if I'm not careful what I eat and on this occaission I dropped down to about 26" ... everyfood I saw terrified me and I had begone to associate eating with being ill. Mostly I just nibbled on pure corn tortilla chips...

... anyway, I finally worked out the tortilla chips were contaminated. Much later the same tortilla chips brand carries a label warning that gluten might be present... but that's another thread.

However when you say you couldn't tolerate veggies this seems another over reaction.... sure switching to a veretarian diet might trigger a GI irritation if you did it overnight but adding limited amounts of vegetables seems unlikely ... perhaps it could have loosened up your colon a little etc. but how long did you try for and did you introduce them slowly and with moderation...

As I say keep away from known intolerance triggers, so I would minimise soy as well BUT SLOWLY ... if your consuming a lot of soy protein then it messes with your eostrogen levels, yes even for a guy!

This brings me to the conclusion....

The body is a finely tuned machine, too much of anything or too little and it's no longer running as it should but it will still try and adapt. The only natural element known to man with no function known in the human body is mercury, everything else, even arsenic is NEEDED by the body to some extent.

To make a auto parallel though its like your isfiring on a cylinder and so you mess with the distributer and it doesn't work so you try the electical system and then something else... and in the end it turns out to be a blockage in a fuel line. However the problem at this point is you already jiggered about with the timing and 10 other things so when you finally replace the fuel line its still outa balance.

When you make changes, make small ones and wait ... don't say (to yourself) I tried vegetables for a day or to but they made me worse, instead add a little and be prepared for a small hickup while your body adjusts .. give it at least a week per vegetable you add... if it doesn't work after a week then backoff and try a different one.... but adjusting other major things at the same time is just going to confuse you twice over... it confuses your body which tries to adapt but it also confuses your mind which is trying to make sense of all this.

In the end I think we have a very primordial instinct about food which is designed to stop us poisioning ourselves but can cause us to massively over react....

I have been there and developed an eating disorder where I was terrified of all food .... I lost perhaps 1/3 of my body mass ... and it probably did me long term damage......

oh, and try cutting the eggs for a week or try eating only the yolks...

I know my diet isn't great either, but the point is that this has been my diet for a long time. It has never bothered me or caused me to feel this way. I am intolerant to bananas, but I know I can eat oranges and lemons. Yes, I like to eat whole lemons. I'm casein intolerant also. I use soy butter with no problems. I think rice bothers me but I'm not totally sure. I'm trying to get food allergy testing done to find out.

it doesn't surprise me that if as someone pre-disposed to intolerances you get problems sticking to the same diet for a long time.

Anyway 3 gallons is still an aweful lot.... IMHO worth having checked out all by itself...

Dehydration seems like a common theme. Also, I was only drinking 2 Pedialytes a day. I drank mostly propel.

Also any 'decent' water is fine, I would stick well away from any "special waters"... at best its a marketing ploy at best it might upset you... but the shere amount of what your drinking is going to mean anything in it aggravates you you're going to be aggravated a lot.

The reason why this is perplexing me so much is because I'm not doing anything different, but I'm feeling horrible.

When something isn't working you seem to jump the other way and oversteer.... then oversteer in the opposite direction.

I realise its frustrating but small changes would be better.... cut down in the water and just have 1 bottle of Pedialyte cut 50% with water over the day for instance....

I get my meat from a local butcher. They are really good there and usually don't have a problem. But I guess someone had something on their hands with gluten in it. Whatever it was, it caused me to get glutened.

For me a glutening can last several weeks.... not constant but it gradually settles down over the weeks.

So you got glutened and it knocked you for 6 but probably your confusion added to you doing other things... after glutening my stomach reacts to tiny things, not necassarily gluten... and my other intolerances (usually not worth bothering about) get much worse.

I think you just need to moderate everything and let stuff settle down. The main worry is you drinking 3 gallons a day... try measuring your poop (yeah gross I know) but estimate ... what feels like a lot of D and is painful usually is much less volume than you think!

On average 8 pints is meant to be healthy a day... but 6 is perfectly fine... so start off at 6 .... and for each pint of D (which is really a lot) drink another pint.... HOWEVER the more you drink the more volume you weill pass.... and the more nutrients it will leach out too.

Once again the keyword is moderation.... if you drink 8 pints a day in a temperate climate you are never going to be hospitalised through dehydration through D (leastwise in summer). The people this happens to are people who drink less than a pint AND live in hot climates etc.

Moderation is the key , just because something is good for you doesn't mean more is better. Indeed in most cases more is usually as bad as too little.

Ewww. I hope you meant the Crock Pot got put in the closet, not the chicken!!

I put my chicken in the closet but it was already cooked....

When I went back to find it there was just a sheepish looking Tom Cruise....and chicken bones....

Tom is, I believe, still in the closet though I am scared to check.

Car collector's (Jay Leno) still have some of the electric cars from the 1900's. We have had the technology for a long time not to be dependant on fossil fuels. How abondaning the oil companies would have disrupted the economy, and the decision was made many times not to change.

L.

Good point, although the 1900's technology didn't allow you to get very far ... interestingly when I was young in the UK the milk was delvered in recyclable glass bottles on electric carts.... the size of the round being the length of the charge they took...

Today everyone jumps in a car to drive to a supermarket to get plastic bottles ????

When you think a disruption of the economy would only happen if it has to be done quickly... in reality the building of a new multi-billion dollar infrastructure would be quite stimulating for the economy...

it can even get so bad that you pass out from super-low blood pressure. It can even get so bad that you can die. So it's important to stop when the itching comes on.

Hmm I passed out a lot after exersize, I thought that just mean I was doing it properly.... ? If I ever finished a race and didn't pass out or close and vomit for 10 minutes I figured I hadn't really tried ......I could never figure out runners who finish a race and can talk... I always figured they just didn't try very hard.

Anyway... i get some funny spots identical to my mom mainly tops of my arms and back... I never got them diagnosed and it doesn't look half as bad as the sample pictures for DH.... I feel a bit of a fake saying they're DH but they do however come when I've been glutened...

Anyway when I have them they react to exersize... but not painfully so.(and not really itchy).. they just get redder and more swollen as if a liquid is pushing up?

I wonder if they are hives or something set off by the gluten?

Thanks for the links... Im taking a break now but will check them tomorrow...

I think that some of this controversy may be a "CYA" approach, since no one wants to be held liable!

Sure but if you want to test 100,000 bottles we can clear it up.

In fact most of the contorversy is down to the way distillation is taught at highschool, and to some extents grad school.

The way its taught is not just incorrect but its 19C science.... but the problem is it is simply not guaranteed ....

My husband drinks Jim Beam and has no problems at all. In fact- his Dr raves about his results on the gluten-free diet, so it does not appear to be effecting him in any way.

Equally when my mom went gluten-free her GP had her tested with 2 more biopsies to see how she was doing... and raved about how well her villi were repairing, my mom however still didn't feel well and indeed she was still eating gluten in small amounts in "gluten-free codex" breads her dr. was prescribing...

After a further 6 months I finally convinced her to stop eating the "gluten-free" bread and also by herself she decided to stop taking some other medication for her regularity which contained soy.... one or the other made the difference from someone who was always ill to someone who today walks 10 miles every day ...

To some extent yes its CYA.... its not so likely that any individual bottle will be bad... but no bottle is better than any other unless its tested... hence its an ever present risk. So yes its a biy of CYA but at the same time so is saying don't walk across a road without looking. Depending where you live and time of day etc. the chance of getting killed might be very low .... but this doesn't mean its generally good advice to say it's OK to walk without looking ....

If you live out in the sticks you can use your own judgement ....

The thing is there are quite a few of us here that definately do react to some grain based spirits.... I personally haven't tested them all ... so I say some. I have also a few times managed to have the odd one and not react... but equally I have had a single shot I thought was tequilla but turned out to be vodka and reacted... so its obviously not a simple yes/no....

Its my opinion that when something regards peoples health and a simple Y/N isn't possible then the best is to CYA and not recommend something....

Really, in most cases it matters very little .... there are lots of celiacs who are diagnosed and don't make ANY effort at gluten-free diet. There are lots who think they can cheat and wipe a few crumbs of a burger.... and there are those who think any amount of gluten is bad... personally I think no amount of gluten can be good so why have ANY???

Surely the best advice all round is don't eat anything that might have gluten in it....

If people find they can cheat .. that's up to them but please don't come begging for tax $ when you get a terminal illness due to it.

(not that my tax $ are relevant here but .. for the sake of explanation)

We see the same over diabetics, many refuse to moderate thier diet or lose weight... and instead take insulin... which strictly speaking they don't need and destroys their bodies own ability...

The thing is I'm not telling anyone what they should and shouldn't do.... to themselves as it so happens my best friend whom I love dearly is obese, at very high risk of diabetes anyway and drinks far far too much (not to mention until XMAS when the Dr. gave him less than a year to live) he smoked 100 a day as well.

I never told him what to do.... I even bought his cigarettes if he was through gout or any of his other self imposed medical conditions unable to get to the shop.... but if he ever asked I told him what I thought.... and I clearly did not agree.. but that was it, its not up to me to tell him how to live (or shorten) his life!

Here's the answer I got from Hardbite:

This was my question:

Hi,

could you tell me if your hardbite potato chips, natural flavour, are processed on machinery that is a dedicated gluten-free facility? In otherwords, are the chips processed in a factory that processes gluten-containing products?

Here's the answer I got:

hi,

this facility only makes potato chips

thank you

Mr. Chip

This doesn't exactly answer my question...because I know that the flavouring can contain gluten. So I've written to them again asking for clarification on cross-contamination issues...I'll post the answer here.

As for getting the chips...just look up Hardbite on the internet, go to their site and they have a listing of locations and stores all over North America that carry their products.

Thanks

Gabby

Perhaps it does....

Either they are being deliberatly obfusciating or they don't understand what gluten is....

Either way.... that largely answers if you want to trust them...

Hardbite All Natural flavor has only Himalayan crystal salt as a spice.

No possible way of a cross contamination.

To be really safe, eat the Hardbite All Natural Chips.

Really leads me to believe they don't really think gluten-free is a medical diet not a choice.... this sounds like an answer to someone who asked if their chips were vegan....

just my 2c....

I second everything fiddle-fadde posted +

When I get glutened, I have trouble tolerating bottled water. I went from poland springs to fiji water and then realized that I couldn't tolerate water period.

first off 3 gallons is obsessive.... most people (myself included) don't drink as much as we should but that is way way too much... it will dilute your electrolytes which upsets your stomach, makes you ill and can cause D....

So I have been drinking gatorate, propel and pedialyte. The problem is that I usually drink 3 gallons of water a day, so it is not easy drinking 3 gallons of propel, pedialye and gatorade. It is tough on my stomach, but it was either that or go to the hospital.

Well I doubt it was either that or the hospital unless you have some other condition your not mentioning....

However that would be enough to upset ANYONEs stomach.... the fact you went from diluting your electrolytes to what must have been an overload is doubly going to upset yopur stomach, and these are also used as a purgotorive ... meaning they are meant to give you D.

We ALL get glutened and have to recover.... this is not a good way....

what works for me is home made chicken soup from scratch, but that's just me... I also make plain vegetable soups... etc. and thee naturally restore your electrolyte balance... and the electrolytes are in a far better form to be adsorbed and not upset your stomach...

I can make it real easy for ya. Just go buy the frozen Kinickinick Tapioca Hot dog buns...then microwave them for 30 seconds to thaw...then slice them in half long ways and spead butter and garlic salt on them. Place them under the broiler for a couple of minutes (make sure you watch because they will burn easy). And you then have the best garlic bread I have ever had...even in my pre-gluten free days I dont remember garlic bread like this.

Yum sounds good....

Actually very similar to what I was going to post.... we get some gluten-free bagettes here that you have to bake for 10 minutes to finish cooking.... I cut em in half first, and add olive oil with garlic crushed in... then just finish the cooking process off....

Another thing I found wuith the hard-white sliced stuff (which taste a bit like cardboard IMHO) is cutting them in cubes and frying them with garlic and herbs for croutons....

One thing i found is sometimes the crappiest gluten-free bread or a baking disaster can be used.... my worst baking disaster made excellent gluten-free breadcrumbs... it already tasted stale so I just threw it in the blender but it made really good gluten-free breadcrumbs for stuffings and battered and breaded stuff....

wow i have alot to learn lol. by the time im done I may be 50 though lol

Seriously it gets easier and easier.... once you get a good solid base things start to fall into place....

I know it seems really confusing now.... I realise this talk of CC sounds a bit too much..... but it all falls into place....

We are trying to give you a head start, I'm doing it based on what when I look back I wish I had done.... not what I did!

Boy did I do some stupid stuff back then.... but it didn't seem stupid at the time!

You're doing wonderfully already! I just wanted to suggest a worry-free alternative to the gingerale; just get the actual ginger root and simmer little pieces of it in water - drink it as a tea. I always keep copious amounts of it in the house as it is also excellent as a digestive aid ( I'm drinking some right now!). I drink it as is, but you can add a little sugar, honey etc. That way she gets something hot - as well as safe - in her stomach.

Im actually geting quite partial to lemongrass and ginger tea.... its free as well.... when I peel ginger or cut up lemongrass I disguard the hard bits and peel into a little wooden container I have set aside (well originally I kept garlic in it)...

I either make this just as it is... use the little tea-baggy filters you can buy packets of.. OR add it to the ginseng tea or a little green tea.....

Wow.. I just browsed through this thread out of interest.... lots of good advice!

Cruiser Bob: Can't argue.... and IMHO whatever you force on your kids "under your own roof" is just as likely to it leading to completely the opposite once they branch out of their own....

Granny Garbonzo: equally good advice but now I feel I'm missing lots of others....

I think at the end of the day you can do what you can do.... I poste half in jest a few days ago that when we become parents we suddenly forget what is was like being a child... and suddenly appreciate what it ws like being our own mom and pop....

So my qualifed opinion as someone who hasn't had kids (thus not done the swap of knowledge/memories)... is you can't force anyone and forcing them too far has at least an equal chance of achieving entirely the opposite you intended.

One thing I would worry most about is long term health.... and development of autoimmune disorders etc. but so far as I can see the risks are far less as a child for 4-5 years than long term as an adult.... PLEASE ..I'm not saying its OK.... I'm trying to say its a crap shoot... I think like Cruiser Bob says providing a long term good example is better than punishment or refusal to discuss and always being available on the subject is invaluable.

The best analogy I can think of is smoking, kids KNOW the dangers nowadays.... but yet many still choose to smoke... they figure they can give up or they are not going to do it for long...

All studies show that the primary influence is parental example... if you smoke and tell your kid not to its less likekly to work...

This doesn't bely the fact that the smoker might be in the best position to actually tell them WHY.... but kids are by nature rebellious...

Anyway, that's just my 2c.... its not in any way meant as criticism... and I don't envy your situation....

My doctor put me on an anti-candida diet about 2-3 weeks ago, so I hadn't had any fruit until last week when I had half an apple. I definitely reacted to something and that was the only different thing I had had, and it COULD be just the sugar alone, but who knows. At first I thought this was mainly a European thing, but when I did the google search you suggested, it seems like it's hit the US too. I'm with you, I'd rather eat just the apple!

Last time I looked into this I compiled a list of al the trade names.... like Decco I-182 .... and just keep following links then usually you find more tradenames ... keep writing them down but also write down words that the 'trade uses' these come up with the most shocking stuff because its talked about so casually by simple farm-folk... just like sheep shearing etc. one you use the right word google finds a lot more... (imagine searching on sheep shaving - you wouldn't get many hits compared to sheep shearing practice .

A lot of stuff I posted was just on Apples because that was the first link I found...same with the Europe bias...

however if you keep at this and spend a few hours you suddenly find its pretty much every fruit and every country.

You can't get much more american than

National Center for Utilization Research, Agricultural Research Service, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Peoria, Illinois 61604

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Finally last time I found the manufacturers websites..... these are truly scary!

When you read their literature you start thinking its irresponsible to ship fruit that hasn't been irradiated, UV'd kept in carbon monoxide and sprayed with fungus and insect protein....it really makes it sound like a public service.

The erm problem is this is SO WIDESPREAD... and such normal practice that you can't really avoid it... and most of the farmers treating crops with say Decco I-182 probably have no idea its a candida yeast ... they just follow the instructions on the bottle.

FAscinating answers. Eating their own poop - ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww - - - this I think is relatively comon, my dogs don't do that but they do enjoy cat poop.

You know, one thing I've remembered - - I was thinking that this wasthe first time she'd ever been around fresh sod....but in Montery, I put in sod in the entire front yard - tons of it - and she never dug it up at all. Even as she was older, before we moved, I re-sodded an area.....and no digging.

apparently this is a pasttime and flavor that she finds enjoyable in her older years......think I'll just do the responsible and fasionable thing and check her into rehab.

LOL.... it could also be because the old place already smelled of you .... I really think this is some territorial thing.... however the fact its enjoyable is proably not helping!

Reminds me of a friend who's an artist who just got a part time job at the National museum of contemporary art ... in his own words its like a guy being given a huge trainset and then payed to put it together and play with....

I think the loves the fun and she regards it as a job.... and its the combination of the two that make it a habit for her....

You could try taking some of her poop and burying it at the corners of the garden and see what happens.... ??

i react to all grain alcs no matter the distillation process

it sucks being a college student trying to gout to parties or bars-- i either have to bring my own alcohol cause i can't drink from the keg... i have to be careful at the bar that the soda fountain does touch the liquid of a previous drink , that the glasses are actually clean...

i'll just stick to wine

It sucks full stop.... my girlfriend works in a bar and her manager is moving on so after having ordered a drink I didn't really want to start off with ... her manager bought it... and we were in another bar at the time and the barmaid gave us all shots, which I had to decline anyway... (already getting that look) then she balances the shots over red-bull or something and does some neat trick like dominoes where she flicks one and they cascade drop into the whatever... splashing liquid all over the bar, in my drink and ...

So I have to leave my drink bought by someone else...

Oh, just in case we have any jews or muslims as well Chitosan (poly-β-1,4-glucosamine) is not kosher or halal in its usual form since it is commercially extracted from marine crustaceans however it is possible to have a kosher halal one by extracting chitin from land insects which are.

Pretty much all beetles, flies and cockroaches use chitin as an exoskeleton so you may prefer finding a roach based one than a shrimp based one... personally, I'd prefer an apple to be an apple.

Yikes! No wonder I react to some fresh fruits! Candida is definitely a problem for me.

Now here's the scoop

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Europeans buying year-old apples

By Leah Vyse

13/12/2005 - The apple market has suffered another bruising following revelations in the UK press that apples sold throughout Europe may be up to a year old.

Amazingly noone seems worried about them doing this for years until it became "news" ...

You might however prefer this

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Biological control, especially using microbial antagonists against fungal plant pathogens, has gained considerable attention and appears to be promising as a viable supplement or alternative to chemical control (Woodhead et al. 1990). The development of microbial antagonists effective against fungal pathogens of pome (Janisiewicz 1987; Janisiewicz and Marchi 1992; Usall et al., 2001; Nunes et al. 2001), stone (Pusey and Wilson 1984), citrus (Chalutz et al. 1988; Teixid

I think using "food crops such as wheat for fuel" is a great idea! (Beats the heck out of eating it ) It looks like they're looking to develop ways to expand on what is already being done.

I agree--I'd love to be in on the ground floor of this technology!

Its cool but its still somewhat bizarre ... and in many way's reminds me of Karens post on alternative fuels in general...

Farmers can grow other stuff.... it might not be as profitable etc. but they can if they want... however the infrastructure behind the wheat product and wheat byproduct industries is like the gas station infrastructure....

Huge silo's dedicated to storing the stuff safely (flour dust is actually a very effective incendiary explosive) which is why traditionally flour mills were built outside of major conurbations.

Ah well, it was a nice dream.......

Not so cool I bet as my finding the Sumatran tiger ... (yep even in My dream I rationalised it was just a Sumartan tiger not a freakin huge Bengal or Siberian) and hence even when fully grown (poor thing was only a 300lb toddler in my dream) it could still sleep on the bed....

Funny thing I never considered that even a full grown Sumatran is still bigger than a full grown Lion and twice as dangerous.

This came after reading an article that its a new cool celeb thing to keep big cat's as pets....

Something I think borders on the insane... even if you have no respect for the animals rights it must occur to someone that keeping an animal that can bring down and kill a full grown bull elephant like a Bengal tiger is pretty much as stupid as it gets and that if said animal escapes (well lets not even think).... I'm not going to be the one stopping it eat someones puppy...

Ive seen the damage my 15lb cat did do a 120lb dog in about 1/10th of a second... enough said I think....

Ah well, it was a nice dream....... rolleyes.gif

LOL as was mine ....

Thank you for the replies.

This thing is directly below my last rib on my right side. I feel no pain although I can feel it and during the coarse of the day it feels more pronounced and uncomfortable. It feels almost as if there is an air pocket. I take Omeprazole daily.

Perhaps this is a hernia aside from the large hiatal as indicated by the endoscopy. Guess its time to go back to the doc.

Lisa

If I were a betting person I'd put money the doctor is going to tell you its muscle related .. but that doesn't mean its not connected and certainly doesn't mean you shouldn't have it checked ! If your HH affects breathing then your body adapts and this can cause knots in muscles you don't realise you have!

It does mean you shouldn't feel to worried about it though ....

but that checking it out is the sensible thing, and is likely to amount to nothing serious .....

Now you mention Omneparazole though ......

Read the leaflet.... there are two types of omneparazole both meant to work in the same way and one was really only re-invented as a way to patent it.... however : (and this is why I'm mentioning it) The type that is ion Inexium really makes me ill, I'm like the poster child for the side effects.... in particualr it gives me knotted internal muscles... I get constand headaches, not bad headaches just a dull one and tightening of my back and chest, including what sounds like you describe.... below the ribs...

Luckily I don't need them full time BUT ... when I switched to the generic ones which are very slightly different my side effects are virtually non-existant....

However: From what I read up this is not so simple as one causes side effects and one doesn't.... my research seems to indicate that if you have side effects with one of them then likely you will have less or non with the other... it really seems very individual...

Hopefully you don't have huge stocks ... so you might want to ask the doctor to try the other ones for a month? (regardless of which other means)

It's a good idea to get a new colander. The gluten is impossible to get out of all of the little bitty holes of your old one.

Its kinda like the oven though....

If its a cheap collander then its not worth cleaning, you can buy a replacement for a few cents... if its a good one then chances are its stainless or ceramic so you can prety much use the oven cleaner and very high temperature method.... with a wire brush etc.

I already have so many baking supplies and love to bake for my family and friends so I will just have to be careful when baking for them.

Everyone should make up[ thier own minds so I don't want to say what you should and should not do.... I would however say that changing wooden handled knives and stuff is a level of "zero tolerance" or two higher than baking with gluten flour....

I don't want to say its pointless but at the same time unless you are already at the gluten equivalent of DEFCON3 its a nice to do but is so overshadowed by having gluten in the kitchen and constantly recontaminating.....

UGGH... its hard to explain... what I'm trying to say is faced with a choice of replacing my utensils and baking with gluten I would say baking with gluten is pretty much a dead -cert for contaminating yourself and your kitchen if you do it regulary... whereas over time the effect and risk of any contamination on the wooden handled knives and even scratched pans is going to diminish so long as you don't keep recontaminating and having to start again.

One of them gives you a short term safer environment by getting rid of the knives you don't risk contamination but the risk was probably small on each time anyway and each time they are washed it is reduced...

If you do everything else right but have gluten flour in your kitchen you will never really progress....

There are also a whole load of gluten-free baking things that work just as well gluten-free... and some which in my opinion are actually better gluten-free...

An example is carrot cake - gluten-free carrot cake is for me as good as normal carrot cake... with the right mix of gluten-free flours I actually think its better but.... its certainly very very good.

Almond slices.... I find are actually better gluten-free with more ground almond and less flour..(gluten-free or not). and if you make fruit toppings again I find a simple reduction of the fruit in a good desert wine gives a almod slice better you can buy......

With both this story and the one that Steve has mentioned, it really makes we wonder to what lengths the pharmaceutical companies would go to the protect their billions of dollars they put into cancer research to come up with all these expensive drugs.....

In regards to conspiracy theories, another one that pops into my head is that I wonder how many vehicles invented that did not require oil/gasoline were bought up and destroyed by the oil companies......

Excellent example....

Common sense says we would be using them by now if they worked..... however common sense misses one HUGE thing in this respect... the market for oil is not the issue for the oil companies, indeed we have more than enough market for oil long term...

The issue is that there are HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of $ invested in the infrastructure of filling up your car.

The infrastructure associated with making fuel gas, transporting it safely and retailing it to the consumer is immense.

Fuel gas is a hazardous substance, its carcinogenic designed to ignite explosively etc. so the infrastructure costs a lot...

You can't just sell it from containers, regulations for building a gas station are long, lengthy and expensive...

In order to convert to a more environmentally friendly fuel this whole infrastructure would need to be retired and a new infrastructure made... perhaps the simplest analogy is hydrogen powered cars.... who's waste product is water... but how to transport/store the hydrogen? The present oil transport mechanism would be useless....

Unless you can fill up your car when you need to its pretty much useless .... hence although the techology for hydrogen powered cars is available the oil companies don't need to actively do anything ... they just passively don't invest in the infrastructure.

If they don't do this then who can? To make hydrogen viable on the scale of just Canada would mean hundreds of thousands of service stations... its not much use to me having a hydrogen car to visit Northern Manitoba if I can't buy fuel on the way, heck finding enough gas stations might be hard once I cross into Yukon...

These gas stations would cost hundreds of thousands EACH.... and an infrastructure to supply them would need to be put in place but its not economically feasible in the short term until someone else makes the investment ... so everyone is waiting for someone else to bleed money into infrastructure that they can take advantage of....

Imagine Husky open 5 service stations on the Trans Canada highway... at a cost of a few million loonies.... these might be OK for a few people making limited Journeys.... but not even sufficient to make it province to province... but if another company then open one inbetween the Husky stations then benefit from the pre-existing structure... suddenly you can het to the next province but you only have one choice of service station for hydrogen, they can effectively charge a huge premium....

In the same way investment in rail could overcome this... Its somewhat noticeable that the main Rail link is the hardest... it basically challenges the geology of Canada to its max crossing numerous mountain ranges... at the same time a lot of Canda is pretty flat but what the point making a railline to/from nowhere. It has to join with an infrastructure.

Oil companies are very diverse, some are specifically oil and or gas... others view themselves as "energy companies" ... and really don't care what product they sell. Ive worked for both types.... and its not a case of good or bad... its simply a case of they are making huge profits off their investments in infrastructure and the only thing that will make them abandon it is legislation which they can afford to pay isn't passed.

A very simple piece of legislation could actually cover this... for instance no gasoline stations in National parks... or tax breaks on the construction of hydrogen service stations...

It actually works for the oil companies that this major point is overlooked... and instead the far more prevalent theory is they must have paid off alternative fuel research... perhaps they did but if they did they probably did so as a double blind red herring because it keeps attention away from what is actually stopping the viability of the new pre-existing technologies....

Why would you think I would dismiss you?

Conspiracy theories as a cover to real conspiracies work so well because we don't all have time to worry about this. We dismiss it as something we will process later....

I'll give you a perfect example of me doing the same thing..... for years I knew foods were full of additives, as a scientist I rationalised many of these additives were not "so harmful" and we are only eating a little anyway......I considered organic foods as "nice idea but for the hippies" (regardless of the fact I've been labelled a hippy most of my life anyway) ... not anything against hippies but something I wasn't willing to go with for the inconvenience and cost.... even though I realised all those pesticides and additives were not good for you... I figured, they can't be that bad....

Having gone gluten-free and being forced into reading each label 10x I suddenly realised how blind I had been... sure they use low amounts and sure they are not THAT bad.... but they are in everything.... the fact they are in low amounts is pretty irrelevant when you are eating them everyday in everything you eat!

The additives were always there on the labels, often disguised but still there.... the conspiracy isn't so much that they are used but that noone realises how much and those that do are regarded as extremists!

My signature translates as: Man (kind) will willingly beleive what (s)he wants to believe!

Someone posted about GM crops the other day.... again its mis-direction and linking of anti-GM people with extremists.... that keeps people ignorant of the dangers of GM food. It works!