Low acid level

[Sabaarya]

Hi everyone. It’s been more than a month I do have upset stomach and problems like bloating,mild pain under right rib and I general not ok GI system. I was told to check my acid level with baking soda test and there is a time limit. So if after drinking soda mix you will burp witching 2 mins your stomach acid level is normal,if it takes more than 5 mins stomach acid is low. Mine took 10 mins to burp,so I’m assuming it’s very low. I did also take antacid yesterday so don’t know if that affect the test result. Anyways,does anyone have this problem and how did you treat it naturally? I do also have repeat endoscopy in 1 month after my initial diagnose and so much worried. 
thank you

Saba

[JenFern]

2 hours ago, Sabaarya said:

Hi everyone. It’s been more than a month I do have upset stomach and problems like bloating,mild pain under right rib and I general not ok GI system. I was told to check my acid level with baking soda test and there is a time limit. So if after drinking soda mix you will burp witching 2 mins your stomach acid level is normal,if it takes more than 5 mins stomach acid is low. Mine took 10 mins to burp,so I’m assuming it’s very low. I did also take antacid yesterday so don’t know if that affect the test result. Anyways,does anyone have this problem and how did you treat it naturally? I do also have repeat endoscopy in 1 month after my initial diagnose and so much worried. 
thank you

Saba

Greetings, that sounds like your gallbladder not your tummy tum.   Cheers 

 

[Sabaarya]

I’m planning to get ultrasound of abdomen,but recently I’ve noticed that after taking antacid I do feel actually worse,so I’m assuming there is low acid problem…

[Scott Adams]

You might try taking a choline supplement, just be sure it is gluten-free. Most people are deficient in choline:

https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Choline-HealthProfessional/#:~:text=Choline is an essential nutrient,phospholipids vital for cell membranes.

If you believe you may have low stomach acid, you could try taking HCL tablets with food for a while and see if it helps. 

[Sabaarya]

1 hour ago, Scott Adams said:

You might try taking a choline supplement, just be sure it is gluten-free. Most people are deficient in choline:

https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Choline-HealthProfessional/#:~:text=Choline is an essential nutrient,phospholipids vital for cell membranes.

If you believe you may have low stomach acid, you could try taking HCL tablets with food for a while and see if it helps. 

Hi. I actually got HCL tablet,will try it. Is it common for celiacs have low stomach acid?

[Scott Adams]

After years of people posting here that doctor prescribed them PPI's to lower stomach acid, there have been many examples of people who actually discovered their problem was really the opposite--they had low stomach acid. The only way to know for sure would be to try it for a while and see if you symptoms improve. 

[Posterboy]

Saba,

Here is a nice article that will will help explain how low stomach acid lead to more GI problems and not High Stomach Acid as you often here about these days.  And they say it better than I can (write and explain) quickly  in a short reply.

Entitled "Hypochlorhydria - (Stomach Acid) Not Enough of a Good Thing"

https://www.naturopathiccurrents.com/articles/hypochlorhydria-not-enough-good-thing#:~:text=This intentional induction of hypochlorhydria is associated with,between osteopenia%2Fporosis and the use of PPIs [14].

Autoimmune condtions happen at 3x to 5x the general population when is too low in Stomach acid...

quoting...

Autoimmunity

Various autoimmune conditions including hashimotos, hyperthyroidism, and type 1 diabetes are associated with hypochlorhydria [1,7]. In autoimmune atrophic gastritis, the development of auto-antibodies against parietal cells leads to their destruction, and a consequential underproduction of stomach acid [4]. Auto-antibodies against intrinsic factor may also be present, causing malabsorption of vitamin B12 – a common finding in hypochlorhydria [4]. Commonly pernicious anemia develops and can be recognized through routine screening. In individuals with autoimmune conditions, autoimmume gastritis and pernicious anemia occur at 3 to 5 times as the general population [4].

Certainly you can see the connection in that increased relationship....

quoting again from the above article.....Stomach acid not enough of a good thing....

Consequences of Hypochlorhydria (via/due to/leading too) Vitamin Mineral Deficiencies

"As noted previously, deficiencies of folic acid, vitamin B12, Vitamin D, Zinc, Vitamin A, calcium, iron, and zinc are associated with low stomach acid [1,7,10]. These deficiencies are due to a decreased ability to disassociate minerals and vitamins from food stuffs, as well as related affects on gastric secretions other than hydrochloric acid that facilitate absorption [4]."

I wrote a  nice Posterboy blog post where I argue, in Part, (I would say mainly) that Low/NO stomach acid is the trigger for NCGS and/or Celiac disease.

It might help you to to read it...

Let me be clear.....IMO it is the trigger for the Auto Immune condtion(s) found in Celiac disease.....as noted above by the much higher auto-immune diseases in one who has low/NO stomach acid....

Other researchers has shown the same CAUSAL connection(s)...

Here is nice summary article done on Celiac.com and PPIs use as a probably trigger for Celiac disesase.

I hope this is helpful but it is not medical advice.

Good luck on your continued journeys in life!

I can only tell you treating my low/NO stomach acid going undiagnosed/misdiagnosed helped many of my remaining GI problems....,but I will caution/warn if you are taking PPIs it can be a long way back....

But if you are not now currently taking acid reducers H2 blockers or PPI then it is a much easier, and direct way back....

I will await your response and advise accordingly.......because it does matter whether you are taking PPIs now or not....

But beware I am only here a couple times a week (at most) now and......my following feature is currently not working.....but I will check back from time to time....to see how I can help you....Lord wiling (if you want my help)....but after reading back over the thread......taking BetaineHCL (Powdered Stomach acid) is good first step!

See this article about it entitled  "99% of the Time it is Low Stomach Acidity (Hypochlorhydria) Which Causes Heartburn, Acid Reflux and Hair Loss – Antacids Make The Problem Worse!" by the nutrition gang website...

.....and you already know you are low from the self test with baking soda you have already done......

https://nutritiongang.com/low-stomach-acidity-hypochlorhydria/

But I would say with the BetaineHCL don't start too low.....it will be easier to start at 3 or 4 capusles ALWAYS wtih a glass or two of water or tea if you prefer and never on an empty stomach.

BetaineHCL with Pepsin I think works best......wait to yo have ate something.....then add the BetaineHCL will a glass of water/tea.....and then you will feel "the warm feeling" that is good, healthy digestion!

But for now,.......I need to get off of here for now....

Again I hope this is helpful but it is not medical advice.

Let me know how you do with it.....but my best advice is not to start with too little to begin with and Always with a Meal (preferably with a protein) and a glass or two of water......you might think of it this way....

A glass of water.....for each BetaineHCL capsule you take.....because water drives the process!

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Posterboy by the Grace of God,

[Sabaarya]

6 hours ago, Posterboy said:

Saba,

Here is a nice article that will will help explain how low stomach acid lead to more GI problems and not High Stomach Acid as you often here about these days.  And they say it better than I can (write and explain) quickly  in a short reply.

Entitled "Hypochlorhydria - (Stomach Acid) Not Enough of a Good Thing"

https://www.naturopathiccurrents.com/articles/hypochlorhydria-not-enough-good-thing#:~:text=This intentional induction of hypochlorhydria is associated with,between osteopenia%2Fporosis and the use of PPIs [14].

Autoimmune condtions happen at 3x to 5x the general population when is too low in Stomach acid...

quoting...

Autoimmunity

Various autoimmune conditions including hashimotos, hyperthyroidism, and type 1 diabetes are associated with hypochlorhydria [1,7]. In autoimmune atrophic gastritis, the development of auto-antibodies against parietal cells leads to their destruction, and a consequential underproduction of stomach acid [4]. Auto-antibodies against intrinsic factor may also be present, causing malabsorption of vitamin B12 – a common finding in hypochlorhydria [4]. Commonly pernicious anemia develops and can be recognized through routine screening. In individuals with autoimmune conditions, autoimmume gastritis and pernicious anemia occur at 3 to 5 times as the general population [4].

Certainly you can see the connection in that increased relationship....

quoting again from the above article.....Stomach acid not enough of a good thing....

Consequences of Hypochlorhydria (via/due to/leading too) Vitamin Mineral Deficiencies

"As noted previously, deficiencies of folic acid, vitamin B12, Vitamin D, Zinc, Vitamin A, calcium, iron, and zinc are associated with low stomach acid [1,7,10]. These deficiencies are due to a decreased ability to disassociate minerals and vitamins from food stuffs, as well as related affects on gastric secretions other than hydrochloric acid that facilitate absorption [4]."

I wrote a  nice Posterboy blog post where I argue, in Part, (I would say mainly) that Low/NO stomach acid is the trigger for NCGS and/or Celiac disease.

It might help you to to read it...

Let me be clear.....IMO it is the trigger for the Auto Immune condtion(s) found in Celiac disease.....as noted above by the much higher auto-immune diseases in one who has low/NO stomach acid....

Other researchers has shown the same CAUSAL connection(s)...

Here is nice summary article done on Celiac.com and PPIs use as a probably trigger for Celiac disesase.

I hope this is helpful but it is not medical advice.

Good luck on your continued journeys in life!

I can only tell you treating my low/NO stomach acid going undiagnosed/misdiagnosed helped many of my remaining GI problems....,but I will caution/warn if you are taking PPIs it can be a long way back....

But if you are not now currently taking acid reducers H2 blockers or PPI then it is a much easier, and direct way back....

I will await your response and advise accordingly.......because it does matter whether you are taking PPIs now or not....

But beware I am only here a couple times a week (at most) now and......my following feature is currently not working.....but I will check back from time to time....to see how I can help you....Lord wiling (if you want my help)....but after reading back over the thread......taking BetaineHCL (Powdered Stomach acid) is good first step!

See this article about it entitled  "99% of the Time it is Low Stomach Acidity (Hypochlorhydria) Which Causes Heartburn, Acid Reflux and Hair Loss – Antacids Make The Problem Worse!" by the nutrition gang website...

.....and you already know you are low from the self test with baking soda you have already done......

https://nutritiongang.com/low-stomach-acidity-hypochlorhydria/

But I would say with the BetaineHCL don't start too low.....it will be easier to start at 3 or 4 capusles ALWAYS wtih a glass or two of water or tea if you prefer and never on an empty stomach.

BetaineHCL with Pepsin I think works best......wait to yo have ate something.....then add the BetaineHCL will a glass of water/tea.....and then you will feel "the warm feeling" that is good, healthy digestion!

But for now,.......I need to get off of here for now....

Again I hope this is helpful but it is not medical advice.

Let me know how you do with it.....but my best advice is not to start with too little to begin with and Always with a Meal (preferably with a protein) and a glass or two of water......you might think of it this way....

A glass of water.....for each BetaineHCL capsule you take.....because water drives the process!

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Posterboy by the Grace of God,

Thank you! I had rheumatologist visit last week,she ran couple of test for different autoimmune diseases,everything came back clear. She said there is no systemic inflammation. My blood work was ok as well.Had endoscopy last year,there was no atrophic gastritis but I do have chronic gastritis. I used to take PPI’s a lot because before I had high acid level,but I think it’s been changed. I’ve just started HCL with pepsin once a day and I can tell that I it helps me a looooooot, I’m so surprised they way it works for me.So it’s HCL with digestive enzymes. No GI symptoms for a week now. Will have repeat endoscopy on Nov 22nd,hopefully I got healed after 1 year…

[Sabaarya]

It’s been 3 days since my symptoms are back again. I was perfectly fine for 2 weeks on Betaine HCL with pepsin,but now again discomfort,upset stomach and mild pain under right rib.. do you know what it could be?

[knitty kitty]

@Sabaarya,

Are you taking Thiamine?

https://www.hormonesmatter.com/sibo-ibs-constipation-thiamine-deficiency/

[Sabaarya]

2 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

@Sabaarya,

Are you taking Thiamine?

https://www.hormonesmatter.com/sibo-ibs-constipation-thiamine-deficiency/

I’m taking it,but not everyday. It’s b-complex with 200mg B1 in it…

[Sabaarya]

Very interesting article by the way,thank you!