Cartilage and rib pain.

[Mrs Wolfe]

I’m in a flare up with rib pain. I read where others have experienced this after exposure to gluten.  Has anyone found something that eases the pain.   

[knitty kitty]

Hello, @Mrs Wolfe,

I crushed three vertebrae moving a chest of drawers.  I take a combination of Thiamine Vitamin B1, Vitamin B12, and Pyridoxine B6.  Together these vitamins have an analgesic effect.  I think it works better than OTC pain relievers.  

I also like  "Takeda ALINAMIN EX Plus Vitamin B1 B6 B12 Health Supplementary from Japan 120 Tablets" .   It's all three vitamins together in one pill.  Works wonderfully!

[Mrs Wolfe]

Thank you.  I’ll be sure to look into those. 

[bold-95]

Are you saying that celiac causes you rib pain?  Or that your ribs are fragile due to being celiac?  Or that the vitamins you take act as an analgesic, and that OTC pain-relievers do not work for you?  I don't understand the connection.

[cristiana]

Luke warm bath (deep) with a handful of Epsom salts, and bath for about 20 minutes.  Be careful getting out of the bathtub, the magnesium (Epsom salts) can make you feel a bit woozy.  I've suffered from costochondritis, might be what you have?  I find rest very helpful, and avoid any foods that bloat you as this can put added pressure on the ribcage.

[knitty kitty]

@bold-95, welcome to the forum.

Rib pain can be caused by Chondritis, an inflammation of the cartilage in the ribcage or breastbone.  Vitamin D deficiency causes this condition and Osteopenia.

Celiac disease damages the lining of the small intestine, making absorption of nutrients like vitamins difficult.  Nutritional deficiencies result.  Diseases can be caused by not having enough of certain vitamins and minerals.

Vitamins are chemical compounds that our bodies cannot make, so we must get them from food or supplements.  Vitamins are crucial to our bodies functioning properly.  Eating a nutritionally dense diet is important, but to correct nutritional deficiencies, supplemental vitamins are needed.  

Over the counter pain relievers like NSAIDs and PPIs can cause additional inflammation and damage to the small intestine.  OTC pain relievers worked for me but they hurt my digestive system worse. 

Yes, Cobalamine Vitamin B12, Pyridoxine B 6, and Thiamine B 1 have an analgesic effect when taken together.  

I'm leaving links below so you can see for yourself.  

4 hours ago, bold-95 said:

Are you saying that celiac causes you rib pain?  Or that your ribs are fragile due to being celiac?  Or that the vitamins you take act as an analgesic, and that OTC pain-relievers do not work for you?  I don't understand the connection.

Analgesic and analgesia-potentiating action of B vitamins.     https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12799982/#:~:text=Disregarding pain resulting from vitamin,three are given in combination.

 

Mechanisms of action of vitamin B1 (thiamine), B6 (pyridoxine), and B12 (cobalamin) in pain: a narrative review

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35156556/

 

B Vitamins in the nervous system: Current knowledge of the biochemical modes of action and synergies of thiamine, pyridoxine, and cobalamin

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31490017/

 

Role of B vitamins, thiamine, pyridoxine, and cyanocobalamin in back pain and other musculoskeletal conditions: a narrative review

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33865694/

 

The Combination of Neurotropic Vitamins B1, B6, and B12 Enhances Neural Cell Maturation and Connectivity Superior to Single B Vitamins

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11987730/

 

[Wheatwacked]

For minor aches and pains, my go to is Original Alka-Seltzer.  Aspirin and bicarbonate.  It is dissoved in water before you swallow it so no tablets to aggravate the stomach wall.  The bicarbonate buffers the stomach acid for upset stomach. Willow bark contains a chemical called salicin, which is similar to aspirin. It has pain and fever reducing effects in the body.

The last time I took Advil for serious pain it spiked my BP to 190.

Some blood pressure medications have been linked to rib pain or musculoskeletal pain as a side effect.  I had to stop Atnenolol because it had me bent over like a 90 year old with a walker.  Another med prescribe by my doctor left my knees unstable.  Currently, Losartan has weakened my back and thighs.  Can't walk to my mailbox at the street and back without having to rest my legs.  Upper body is however increasing muscle mass.  No one believes me though; think I'm malingering.  Those blood pressure meds also had no effect on my BP, but doctor wants me to continue on (man up, its good for you, with the Losartan + clonidine.  What has been working is Clonidine.  It has lowered my BP. but it is considered third tier BP med.  No side effects and it lowers my BP from 160+ to between 115 and 139.  

[Mrs Wolfe]

Thank you for the information. 
 

[Mrs Wolfe]

I appreciate the information and links.  

[Wheatwacked]

So Sunday night after writing that post about Losartan was causing weakness in my hips I decided to stop taking it, even if against medical advice.  When I was 12 years old I read a book called The First Hundred Years of Surgery.  It gave me insight to the politics, financials and egos of the world.  My take-away at the time was: one day I'm going to have to find my own cure.

Sunday 6 am was 134/60 after Losartan dose Sat nignt.

Monday 8 am BP was 118/56 no Losartan sunday night.

Tuesday (today) 6 am BP was 126/64.

Getting up from the floor is improved. Brain fog improved, vision less foggy, cold feet not as cold, and not feeling like I need to go back to sleep almost as soon as I wake up.

Doctors are required to follow protocols, not listen to patients.  I say I hurt and they say "that's not common, the medicine protects you, is good for you, keep taking it"  Not unlike Celiac Disease.  You eat gluten, get sick and your blood and biopsy says you do not have Celiac Disease, you are not sick.  Keep eating wheat because it is good for you.

Despite what the doctors say, it appears ACE inhibiters and ARB BP meds are NOT good for me.  One had me considering a walker would be good (it had me bent over).  Standing straight once I stopped.  One had me thinking a walker was in my future (lost quadracept stability in knees, Lisinoprol caused an inquinal hernia, something caused a blind spot in my right eye and cataracts in both.  Amlodipine dehydrated me so I could not wear contacts, Losartan I was thinking a walker or wheelchair is immenent, hips and lower back getter weaker.  My only vision issue at 70 was increasing nearsighted and farsighted; until we attempted to control my BP.

I am not advocating ignoring medical advice, but sometimes I know what is better for me than what the protocols say.  After all, I live in this body.  Doctors only see me for 20 minutes every 3 months.

My current list:

Medications:

• Prednisolone 2.5 mg 6 am
• Clonidine 0.1 mg 6 am, 2pm, 10 pm
• Rosuvastatin 20 mg evening meal
• Glimiperide 2 mg morning meal, evening meal
• Nicotinic Acid (Niacin) 6 am, 2 pm, 10 pm
• Liquid Iodine 600 mcg once a day in a drink.

 

Vitamins:  Several times a week.

B1 250 mg, B2 100 mg, B3 500 mg, B5 500 mg, B6 100 mg, B12 1 mg, DHEA 100 mg, vitamin D 250 mcg, vitamin C 500 mg, CoQ10 200 mg, Selenium 200 mcg Taurine 500 mg,

[bold-95]

You are SO right!!

[knitty kitty]

@Wheatwacked,

Are you aware of the interaction of potassium iodide and losartan ?  

https://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/iodine-potassium-iodide-with-losartan-1368-0-1489-0.html#:~:text=Talk to your doctor before,to safely use both medications.