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Which Comes First?


Marlene

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Marlene Contributor

I have been doing quite a bit of research on Leaky gut syndrome. One question I have not found an answer to yet is this -- Does leaky gut cause intolerances due to food etc passing through the intestinal wall or do intolerances cause the gut to become leaky through inflammation? I guess this question would apply more to those of us who are non-celiac gluten intolerant.

Looking forward to your responses.

Marlene


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hathor Contributor

I've heard both. Something like gluten can cause a leaky gut, which leads to other intolerances. But it is a body's inability to cope with gluten that causes the problem. Aren't there other causes of a leaky gut as well?

Marlene Contributor

Yes, there are other causes of leaky gut. This is why I am wondering which comes first. If something else causes the leaky gut which in turn causes food intolerances (gluten, casein specifically), does this mean that once the gut heals the individual can start eating those foods again?

I guess unless you know for sure that it wasn't gluten causing the leaky gut, it would be insane to start eating gluten again because the cycle would just start over.

I've read that leaky gut causes intolerances and also, I've read that intolerances cause leaky gut. Kinda like the chicken and the egg.

Marlene

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little d Enthusiast

I know that this is an old post but I was wanting to know more about the Leaky Gut issue and what are the symptoms, is it the same as with gluten intolerance since I am not offically diagnosed with Celiac.

donna

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[/iyo, I'm new to this site and I am one of you. Took Doctor's 13 years to find my celiac--gluten free for 7 years but trouble remains. Leaky gut for sure. I am a massage therapist and study enzymes and poop and all that good stuff. Just discovered a product called "ultaclear Sustain" by Metagenics--powered form that you mix with was it is a nutritional support for the management of leaky gut syndrome---it's working--plus I have so much inflammation in my stomach--that I bloat HUGH and burp and you know--gas...but taking MSM powder and cat's claw is finally helping with that...and do you know that sugar allergies, besides dairy is the common trend...yikes, but I'm still hanging on to my dark chocolate...

jmd3 Contributor
I know a lady that works for Metagenics and have tried that too. I've had severe leaky gut syndrome and Gluten Intolerance and have been hospitalized several times for it. A great product is Nutric Life Extends. It promotes healing through DNA and cell repair. I've been researching these products for years and this has been the best. If you need to heal any part of your body, that's the stuff. Good luck!

All 4 of your posts have been promoting this product.... It has wheat grass in it - not good for celiacs

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