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Autism Related To Rainfall


Ken70

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Some of the theories are interesting but there are a couple of simpler possible explanations. My gut tells me lack of sunlight (recognized in the article) and exposure to mold would be the likeliest culprits. At least the researchers are getting closer....maybe.


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Wow- that is interesting. I think they'll find out there is more than one factor involved but that is a new slant I've never seen. Thanks for posting it.

Rachel--24 Collaborator

I dont think that they will ever identify a singular cause for Autism. I truelly dont believe that there is one........all evidence points to it being multifactorial.

There is definately a genetic link....but the genes alone do not cause autism. Its most likely genetic predisposition + toxic exposures/insults to the immune system... which may include vaccinations, heavy metals, viruses, bacteria, mold, EMF's, etc. etc. The trigger is not the same for every child.....which makes it pretty darn difficult to pin it on any one thing.

In my opinion mercury is a MAJOR factor but not the only one.

Ken70 Apprentice
I dont think that they will ever identify a singular cause for Autism. I truelly dont believe that there is one........all evidence points to it being multifactorial.

There is definately a genetic link....but the genes alone do not cause autism. Its most likely genetic predisposition + toxic exposures/insults to the immune system... which may include vaccinations, heavy metals, viruses, bacteria, mold, EMF's, etc. etc. The trigger is not the same for every child.....which makes it pretty darn difficult to pin it on any one thing.

In my opinion mercury is a MAJOR factor but not the only one.

So why the relationship to rainy climates? I think we each tend to lean towards the thing we suffer from or know the most about as the cause. I would argue mycotoxins from mold are the determining factor but it would only be a guess. What we need is an economist like the guy that wrote Freakonomics to study these diseases. They make amazing conclusions from all sorts of data.

Regarding genes...My cousin just had a cancerous growth removed from his colon. His mother told us "it's genetic". That little phrase makes me crazy. People actually believe that colon cancer is pre-determined and automatic if you have these "genes". I say BS. As you wrote above "genetic predisposition" is a better way of looking at it. Our genes alone don't give us these diseases (accept in the case of a genetic defect maybe) but they do make us succeptible to the things in our environments that do.

Fiddle-Faddle Community Regular

They jumped to conclusions with the rainy climates a bit, though, didn't they? I mean, just because three areas studied had rainy climates AND high rates of autism doesn't mean that ALL areas with rainy climates have high rates of autism.

Those particular areas also have many, many colleges and universities, and very high rates of higher education amongst the population. Those are the parents who are most likely to follow the mandated vaccination schedule.

I think sunshine/vitamin D certainly plays a role, and Ken might be on to something with the mold spores, too, but I would suspect those factors as being secondary to vaccine injury.

It is logical that mercury might not be the only cause.

However, if you look back to the early 1900's, there was a disease called acrodynia, that basically sounds like a clone of autism. It was definitively traced to mercury in a teething powder that was being given to babies at that time. The teething powder was removed from the market, and acrodynia disappeared forever.

Then, in the 1940's, Leo Kanner identified and named autism, in children he had been observing since 1938. Thimerosal, coincidentally (or not) was introduced in routine vaccinations in the early 1930''s.

And, as the rates of autism have skyrocketed since then, so have the number of vaccines children are given.

The pharmaceutical company wants you to believe that there is no more mercury in the vaccines. But that's a lie--there is mercury in the flu shot, which is now a YEARLY part of the routine vaccination schedule, resulting in a total mercury load that's just as high as it ever was.

There are also no studies on autistic kids who have NEVER been exposed to mercury, becvause we don't know who they are or if they even exist! Even children who have never received vaccines might have been exposed to mercury through their mothers' vaccines or their mothers' amalgams or some other, as-yet-unknown source of mercury.

I have also read of cases where newborns have been given vaccines without the mother's knowledge or consent. They just went in and did it, and then told the mom. :blink:

So I suspect that mercury does play a role in all or at least most autism cases, even if it's not the only factor.

Jenny McCarthy has a couple of very interesting sites:

www.generationrescue.org

www.putchildrenfirst.org

Rachel--24 Collaborator
So why the relationship to rainy climates? I think we each tend to lean towards the thing we suffer from or know the most about as the cause. I would argue mycotoxins from mold are the determining factor but it would only be a guess. What we need is an economist like the guy that wrote Freakonomics to study these diseases. They make amazing conclusions from all sorts of data.

Regarding genes...My cousin just had a cancerous growth removed from his colon. His mother told us "it's genetic". That little phrase makes me crazy. People actually believe that colon cancer is pre-determined and automatic if you have these "genes". I say BS. As you wrote above "genetic predisposition" is a better way of looking at it. Our genes alone don't give us these diseases (accept in the case of a genetic defect maybe) but they do make us succeptible to the things in our environments that do.

Autism has very high rates where I live (Bay Area, CA)....this is one of the areas with the fastest growing rate of autism...and yet the climate is not rainy (it barely ever rains here!). However, the Bay Area does have some of the highest levels of environmental mercury in the world.

Autism is not a genetic disease....and genes alone would not be responsible for an epidemic condition that has rapidly increased only in the past couple decades. The kids with Autism appear to have genetic susceptibility to environmental toxins. They have genetic weaknesses that impair detoxification. This alone would not cause disease.....however when these weaknesses are challenged by toxic exposures (such as multiple vaccinations, toxic mold, heavy metals, pathogens, etc) it can be very damaging to the child who is susceptible.

I agree with Fiddle Faddle that mold would more often than not be secondary. Undoubtedly the majority of kids with Autism would be sensitive to mold (as they would be sensitive to many environmental toxins) but this would be the case for anyone with impaired detoxification.

Autism rates began to climb when the amount of vaccines started to increase.....and as previously mentioned a mother with amalgams will pass on a large portion of her mercury burden to her child. Studies have shown that the amount of mercury in newborns correlates with the amount of fillings in the mother. Other studies have shown that the umbilical cords of newborn babies contain MANY toxic chemicals....including mercury.

If the amount of toxicity in any person exceeds their body's ability to detoxify (this is where the genetics come in) then problems will develop. Young children are more severely affected because they are in their developmental stages...their blood brain barrier is not fully developed and their immune system is not yet fully developed.

It has nothing to do with leaning toward something that I suffer from. I would be saying the same thing regardless. I've been talking with doctors who treat Autism for over 2 years now...and every one of them has said the same thing with regards to the triggers. Its genetics and toxic insults....primarily vaccines. Most of the kids have high levels of mercury because they are less capable of excreting it (genetic weaknesses).

They are capable of doing genetic testing to identify weaknesses which impair detoxification...I just had it done myself.

I have more than a few genetic weaknesses which make me susceptible to toxicity. It comes from everywhere....mercury is very high on the list because it can easily furthur inhibit a detoxification system which is already weak. It can be damaging to someone who is NOT genetically susceptible.....but the risk is far greater for a person who is less capable of excreting it.

All of my doctors have agreed that IF I had been exposed to the amount of toxins that kids are exposed to now....I would have undoubtedly been affected and probably severely autistic. I would have been subjected to multiple vaccines conatining mercury and other toxins....instead I only had about 3 vaccines....and not given all at once. I have more genetic weaknesses than many of the autistic kids my doctor has tested....but it took 30 years for my system to become overloaded.....and it happened after 2 fillings were drilled out unsafely.

If a child lives in a home where they are exposed to toxic mold it can definately push them over the edge. Any type of toxic exposure can push someone over if they are already at the edge. There are way too many triggers to possibly consider any *one* thing as being the sole cause for autism.

In my opinion it is completely preventable.

Ken70 Apprentice
It has nothing to do with leaning toward something that I suffer from. I would be saying the same thing regardless. I've been talking with doctors who treat Autism for over 2 years now...and every one of them has said the same thing with regards to the triggers. Its genetics and toxic insults....primarily vaccines. Most of the kids have high levels of mercury because they are less capable of excreting it (genetic weaknesses).

I meant me leaning towards mold. So what toxins are we talking about that effect the child's brain and how or do we know? What is the method that mercury burdens the childs brain to the point he or she no longer functions normally or does the mercury suppress the immune system and other toxins effect the brain?


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Rachel--24 Collaborator
They jumped to conclusions with the rainy climates a bit, though, didn't they? I mean, just because three areas studied had rainy climates AND high rates of autism doesn't mean that ALL areas with rainy climates have high rates of autism.

I agree. I dont see a direct correlation between rainy climates and higher rates of Autism. Some areas which are not considered rainy climates (such as Ca) have higher rates than areas that do have rainy climates. Autism has skyrocketed in all areas....not just the rainy ones.

And, as the rates of autism have skyrocketed since then, so have the number of vaccines children are given.

The pharmaceutical company wants you to believe that there is no more mercury in the vaccines. But that's a lie--there is mercury in the flu shot, which is now a YEARLY part of the routine vaccination schedule, resulting in a total mercury load that's just as high as it ever was.

There are also no studies on autistic kids who have NEVER been exposed to mercury, becvause we don't know who they are or if they even exist! Even children who have never received vaccines might have been exposed to mercury through their mothers' vaccines or their mothers' amalgams or some other, as-yet-unknown source of mercury.

I have also read of cases where newborns have been given vaccines without the mother's knowledge or consent. They just went in and did it, and then told the mom. :blink:

So I suspect that mercury does play a role in all or at least most autism cases, even if it's not the only factor.

Good points.

We are led to believe that thimerosal is not a factor and that it has been removed from all vaccines....when in fact it hasnt. Kids are still recieving big doses of mercury and some of those kids will not be able to excrete it.

I dont think that there is any child who has NEVER been exposed to mercury....whther they are autistic or not. We're all exposed to it...babies are born already having been exposed....and often in large amounts.

I meant me leaning towards mold. So what toxins are we talking about that effect the child's brain and how or do we know? What is the method that mercury burdens the childs brain to the point he or she no longer functions normally or does the mercury suppress the immune system and other toxins effect the brain?

Mercury is a major immunosuppressant.....with mercury burdening the immune system we are more susceptible to ALL toxins as well as infections. Vaccines have additional toxins.....including formaldehyde, MSG, aluminum and many more. The synergistic effects of mercury and other toxins significantly increases toxicity in the body.

Since we are all different in our ability to handle these toxins....some people will essentially be "poisoned". If mercury is not excreted....it is stored in the body's tissue and it does not leave on its own (in the CNS it has a half-life of about 30 years). Mercury does not stay in the bloodstream very long before its stored in tissue....even people with strong detox systems will have some mercury burden.

The blood brain barrier is not fully developed in young children.....mercury and other toxins have easy access to the brain before and after birth. Mercury tends to accumulate in the brain anyways....brain, kidneys and liver usually store the most mercury.

I would say that many things are involved...with mercury not being the only factor. I beleive it definately sets the stage (along with the genetic susceptibility) for the body to be unable to cope with additional toxic exposures...not to mention the live viruses in the vaccines. The body burden becomes too high....too quickly...and during early development. With the brain being affected...development is impaired.

I think the more impaired detoxification is....the higher the susceptibility....and the greater the risk. This would explain why some are higher functioning than others. Some are severely affected...whereas others are mildly affected.

There is no way to know who is more susceptible (other than genetic testing). Right now I would say that genetic testing would be the most helpful in determining whether or not a person has a strong or weak detoxification system. Personally, I think the amount of vaccines given is obscene. If mercury is not challenging the immune system as well as detoxification... I think the body is more capable of dealing with other toxins. Since avoiding mercury is impossible...the best thing to do is be aware and try to reduce exposures to toxins. Having multiple vaccinations before the age of 2 could easily push a susceptible individual over the edge. Even if the child doesnt become sick until being exposed to mold (or something else)....it doesnt mean that he/she wasnt already damaged by the vaccines.

Mercury is capable of inactivating any enzyme in the body. It can cause impaired detoxification even if there is no genetic susceptibility. If there ARE genetic weaknesses....and then there are large exposures to mercury...it can play on those weaknesses and detoxification can then become significantly impaired. Enough so that the child is no longer developing, loses speech, etc.

Also, if the immune system is heavily burdened it does not always fight off the viruses which are administered in the vaccines...and that becomes a MAJOR issue for these kids. Many of them also have other infections...including Lyme which is often passed on from the mother. This would not likely be a problem all by itself....but with impaired detoxification, heavy toxic load, dysfunctional immune system...etc. etc....these pathogens cause alot of problems and they also have access to the brain.

There is no single treatment for Autism because its multifactorial and each child is very different. They have different genetics...and they have different things contributing to the symptoms.

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