I Have A New Question Re: Mmr

[JNBunnie1]

I was wondering whether anyone could link me to some of the information that 'proves' that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism. I'm not talking about a court ruling, I'm talking about ACTUAL EVIDENCE that there could not possibly be a link between MMR and autism. I'm willing to be openminded about this idea, and I have not seen anyone link any real info, I've only seen people reference a court verdict made by a lawyer(judge), not a medical professional. So it would really be great if anyone had any idea where to find the info that shows the MMR CANNOT cause autism. I'm not trying to ressurect the argument, I just haven't been able to find this info on my own. I can find plenty about the court case, but not the evidence. Maybe I'm not typing the right things.

I'm also hoping someone has some insight into research being done into other possible causes of autism. What DO they think is causing it? Who's doing this research? I know the 'better diagnosis rate' theory is out the window, or else they'd be diagnosing adults at the same rates. Do they think it's environmental toxins?

[Jestgar]

There may be links to follow within these links.

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Another court case:

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On wakefield:

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Thoughts on causes:

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Link to Engineer parents:

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[JNBunnie1]

I did read all of the links you posted. Most simply said, "studies show no link" and have no links to the studies. And I tried to find them. This is the most clear-cut study result article I could find:

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Having waded through it, I can't really say I understand how this is conclusive. Basically they're saying there's no different, special difference in the autism 'type' between vaccinated and non-vaccinated kids. Therefore, MMR does not cause autism. There are different physical disease manifestations of autism? And how did they pick these kids?

Here's a chart of studies from the CDC.

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Again, no numbers, no specifics. Just 'No link found.' Most of it is someone saying they read some else's study. And good luck finding the study.

I'm also curious exactly what autism is. They still don't know which parts of the brain are affected by autism disorder, they don't know any particular gene that predisposes. It kind of seems like they're trying to prove a negative. They don't know what DOES cause autism, but are willing to say what DOESN'T. I think what I mean is, if you take 100 children who have not had any vaccines who have autism, and 100 who've had them all with thimerosal and everything and have autism, how do you know whether the kids with the vaccines would have gotten autism anyway? Is there any way to prove that?

I'm so confoozed..............

[tarnalberry]

You can show that something is not causative without knowing what *is* causative. Not saying whether or not that's the case here, just saying it's possible.

[purple]

You might find something if you google these:

autism cover up

subacute sclerosing panencephalitis and autism

autism not caused by vaccines

autism and aluminum

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Who knows what you will find, interesting reading though

Never thought about it before until reading above info. Trying to be open minded like you.

What if the mother passes something onto the baby which triggers autism when they get vaccinated. Like if her body is full of aluminum or mercury already. Or of course if the baby is lacking something to begin with. The immune system of mother/baby has to be a factor. Many other factors like the nursing mom consuming dairy. Genes a factor too...

Like a trigger that sets off Celiac. Only some get it. This would be why the baby develops autism right after their shots, a trigger with all those shots. Of course mercury and aluminum are not safe for anyone.

Too much to think about makes your mind confoozled.

[JNBunnie1]

Never thought about it before until reading above info. Trying to be open minded like you.

What if the mother passes something onto the baby which triggers autism when they get vaccinated. Like if her body is full of aluminum or mercury already. Or of course if the baby is lacking something to begin with. The immune system of mother/baby has to be a factor. Many other factors like the nursing mom consuming dairy. Genes a factor too...

Thats true, this may be the most toxic generation to give birth, and new generations are even more toxic and so the cycle continues. Who knows where the combustion point might be?

[Jestgar]

I did read all of the links you posted. Most simply said, "studies show no link" and have no links to the studies. And I tried to find them. This is the most clear-cut study result article I could find:

I don't think you'll find conclusive answers from either side. That's the problem.

The "vaccines cause no problems" camp says that autism rates don't increase with vaccine rates. And that children that are going to develop autism develop it during the same time frame as they are receiving vaccinations, so it may look as if the vaccine has caused the problem, when it fact they just happen at the same time.

There are no animal models for autism, and no way to know if a vaccine led to autism in any one individual. All either side can quote are event rates, and both sides dispute each others claims.

[happygirl]

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[Jestgar]

A link to the genetic aspect of autism

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