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Hi,

A simple question. Is green tea supposed to be an auto immune stimulant or not?

If yes, as it sometimes is claimed, is it safe for those of us who have celiac?

I stopped taking all kinds of things like echinacea for instance due to its immune stimulant effects.

Any body know??

I started drinking green tea to increase my collagen production actually, and so far it does not seem to be harming me. In fact I have a bit more energy. Probably due to the caffeine, however I am not adversely affected by it like I was to chocolate or coffee.

Bea


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Hi,

A simple question. Is green tea supposed to be an auto immune stimulant or not?

If yes, as it sometimes is claimed, is it safe for those of us who have celiac?

I stopped taking all kinds of things like echinacea for instance due to its immune stimulant effects.

Any body know??

I started drinking green tea to increase my collagen production actually, and so far it does not seem to be harming me. In fact I have a bit more energy. Probably due to the caffeine, however I am not adversely affected by it like I was to chocolate or coffee.

Bea

Hi Bea,

I found this article - it's pretty interesting and gives the medical perspective of Green Tea for you.

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Hope you can get what you need out of it...I thought the first page was intriguing since I drink it too.

Tena

YoloGx Rookie

Hi Bea,

I found this article - it's pretty interesting and gives the medical perspective of Green Tea for you.

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Hope you can get what you need out of it...I thought the first page was intriguing since I drink it too.

Tena

Thanks Tena. Its always nice to read about the healing benefits of green tea--esp. helping prevent cancer and dementia etc.

I was just wondering however why its OK for us since the caffeine in green tea is a stimulant--given our already over stimulated immune systems is it wise for us to take if we have celiac. Does anyone know?

I started using it recently to help my body with a variety of things, including increasing collagen production.

So far it does not seem to keep me awake, thus so far, so good.

However as said I gave up other herbs because were immune stimulants, not because they were obviously bothering me. So what is the difference? Does anyone know? Or is it all a crap shoot?

Bea

tarnalberry Community Regular

Caffeine is considered a nervous system stimulant. I've not heard of it specifically as a immune system stimulant. What I understand (and the article already posted says something similar-ish) is that antioxidants and other polyphenols in tea (white, green, or black) have a beneficial effect on many things in the body, but I've never read that it specifically increases immune system response.

YoloGx Rookie

Caffeine is considered a nervous system stimulant. I've not heard of it specifically as a immune system stimulant. What I understand (and the article already posted says something similar-ish) is that antioxidants and other polyphenols in tea (white, green, or black) have a beneficial effect on many things in the body, but I've never read that it specifically increases immune system response.

Well, I suppose that kind of makes sense. A Nervous system stimulant is different than an immune system stimulant. I'll have to run that around a while for it to really sink in however. Thanks for pointing it out.

It is confusing since green tea is said to boost the immune system plus of course it is stimulating due to the caffeine...

Bea

hungryman Newbie

Hi,

A simple question. Is green tea supposed to be an auto immune stimulant or not?

If yes, as it sometimes is claimed, is it safe for those of us who have celiac?

I stopped taking all kinds of things like echinacea for instance due to its immune stimulant effects.

Any body know??

I started drinking green tea to increase my collagen production actually, and so far it does not seem to be harming me. In fact I have a bit more energy. Probably due to the caffeine, however I am not adversely affected by it like I was to chocolate or coffee.

Bea

Hi Bea,

From my understanding, green tea, black tea, white tea, etc., are supposed to be good antioxidants. They are supposed to reduce the damage done via oxygenation in the blood by removing free radicals.

In other words, they don't really stimulate the immune system, they just help the body to function more efficiently.

I work with people who are immune suppressed and who would jump all over green tea were it proved to boost their immune systems.

Echinacea is supposed to boost the immune system, but my doctor told me the other day a recent study casts doubt on that claim.

I have been gluten intolerant for nearly a decade now, and have never come across any claims or documentation that indicates green tea was bad for us.

Mark

YoloGx Rookie

Hi Bea,

From my understanding, green tea, black tea, white tea, etc., are supposed to be good antioxidants. They are supposed to reduce the damage done via oxygenation in the blood by removing free radicals.

In other words, they don't really stimulate the immune system, they just help the body to function more efficiently.

I work with people who are immune suppressed and who would jump all over green tea were it proved to boost their immune systems.

Echinacea is supposed to boost the immune system, but my doctor told me the other day a recent study casts doubt on that claim.

I have been gluten intolerant for nearly a decade now, and have never come across any claims or documentation that indicates green tea was bad for us.

Mark

Thank you Mark. What you say here is starting to make more sense to me. I guess part of the problem I had was thinking about stimulants in general being not so good for someone with celiac. Certainly for me as I said previously I don't do well with either chocolate or coffee. But that may be due to other reasons I guess than celiac. It may be because of my kidneys having reduced function or who knows what.

Bea


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