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I Can't Sleep!

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Ok its about Day 4 into going gluten free and I noticed that I had a hard time sleeping since Day 2. I would go to bed at 9pm or 10pm and I'd still be squirming around at 1 or 2am in the morning. I really don't hit my sleeping period until 8am then wake up at 10am. So I've only been getting 2 hours of sleep since Day 2. Is this normal for gluten free dieting? I'm fine with everything else... I feel much better and active compared to when I was eating wheat all the time.

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Ok its about Day 4 into going gluten free and I noticed that I had a hard time sleeping since Day 2. I would go to bed at 9pm or 10pm and I'd still be squirming around at 1 or 2am in the morning. I really don't hit my sleeping period until 8am then wake up at 10am. So I've only been getting 2 hours of sleep since Day 2. Is this normal for gluten free dieting? I'm fine with everything else... I feel much better and active compared to when I was eating wheat all the time.

More than likely you are vitamin deficient. The body has to ahve the correct balance of vitamins or insomnia will result. More than likely it is magnesium that you need but make sure you have enough B12, calcium, d, and iron.

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Can celiacs still get all their vitamins by eating vitamin pills? If so, shouldn't that cause some kind of bad reaction?

I can't eat gluten, wheat, shellfish, and corn. I've been eating all kinds of fruits, veggies, and beans.

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Ok its about Day 4 into going gluten free and I noticed that I had a hard time sleeping since Day 2. I would go to bed at 9pm or 10pm and I'd still be squirming around at 1 or 2am in the morning. I really don't hit my sleeping period until 8am then wake up at 10am. So I've only been getting 2 hours of sleep since Day 2. Is this normal for gluten free dieting? I'm fine with everything else... I feel much better and active compared to when I was eating wheat all the time.

When I went gluten free I also had trouble sleeping while I was going thru withdraw from the gluten.

Also I would encourage you to have your thyroid checked

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Can celiacs still get all their vitamins by eating vitamin pills? If so, shouldn't that cause some kind of bad reaction?

I can't eat gluten, wheat, shellfish, and corn. I've been eating all kinds of fruits, veggies, and beans.

Have you had your vitamin levels checked?? vitamin D and B levels??

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No, but I'm sure its low as I have been avoiding foods that contain them. I usually don't take vitamins, but would they be a better subsitute? Does it have vitamins that contain the same kind from wheat and corn?

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No, but I'm sure its low as I have been avoiding foods that contain them. I usually don't take vitamins, but would they be a better subsitute? Does it have vitamins that contain the same kind from wheat and corn?

Vitamins are not a substitute for food but many celiac's have vitamin deficiencys that require supplements.

There are vitamin that are wheat and corn free but you need to read the labels very very carefully.

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So the gluten aren't within the Vitamins/Vitamin Supplements themselves but the actual bread or flour?

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So the gluten aren't within the Vitamins/Vitamin Supplements themselves but the actual bread or flour?

actually most breads and flours are fortified with vitamins . There are some vitamins that add gluten/wheat as binders and fillers but with careful search you can find gluten free ones. :)

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