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  1. I have been gluten free for approximately 9 months. During this time, I have had accidental glutenings, cross contamination and many hours spent researching and learning about this disease we call celiac. I have periods where I think that I am finally "on the mend" only to have a few days where I don't feel good. What I find frustrating is always feeling I am trying "to figure out" what caused it. These are the questions I commonly find running through my mind.

    1) Is it something I ate that might have a hidden ingredient......OR was I contaminated in my own home by something......OR was it cross contamination where the product was produced?

    2) Is the way I feel today still due to the accidental "glutening" last week OR is it something new?

    3) If I feel crappy, is it due to something I ate today OR was it something I ate 2-3 days ago?

    4) Do I have a new food intolerance now that is causing me to feel this way?

    5) OR last but not least, is it something not even related to celiac that is causing me to feel bad?

    Does anyone else with celiac ever feel like our life is totally consumed by all these questions when we go through periods that we don't feel good? Do we always really know what causes us to have times that we don't feel good? And do you just ever feel jealous when you see people that can eat anything they want all the time and NEVER have to ask themselves any of the questions I have listed above.

    I am just tired of feeling confused and frustrated.

    I used to feel the same way ....

    Quite honestly I think everyone goes through that... I had to learn to let go...

    Let me try and put it in a sentence...

    "We do the best we can, its not always good enough but it's all we can"

    Trying to pin down which meal (when it might have been something else entirely) can and will drive you crazy ....

    Obviously we should try and learn but equally you have to know when to say "oops" ...

    There are 1001 times EVERY DAY you risk glutening.. everytime you touch your lips you may have just opened a door someone eating a sandwich just touched... its not a big chance but its a chance... and we have 1000 a day little chances...

    I found the best is to say "It's probably X or its proobably Y" but not try and be 100% because you can never be 100% unless its a "I forgot to read the label oops"...

    Put everything down to experience, learn as you go....

  2. Eating out is probably the riskiest thing a celiac can do. Restaurants, delis at food markets, homes of family and friends, school cafeterias, snack days at work, etc., are all good sources of gluten. You have to ask a lot of questions and even try to read product labels, if they're available. There's a joke that illustrates the point: At a dinner party, do you know how to tell who the celiac is? It's the person in the kitchen digging through the trash to read labels.

    Cross contamination is also a concern. Utensils, pots and pans, cooking surfaces, etc., may harbor crumbs or other traces of gluten. For example, you need a separate toaster that is dedicated only to gluten-free. If you dip a knife into peanut butter or jelly and spread it on bread, the knife is contaminated and must not be placed back into the jar. A fork used to stir wheat-based spaghetti must not be placed in a pot containing gluten-free spaghetti

    This is the most sensible answer.....

    I never knowingly ingest gluten really means nothing at all... despite the number of people saying that. (and the reason for my sig)

    If you eat out you are cheating just the same, so everyone (exceptions noted) cheats... its a matter of how, how much etc. but in my opinion its like saying "Oh I never sleep with a married man/woman" and then deliberately not looking if someone has a ring...

    Or to put it another way : Not eating bread or pasta is not being gluten free, its being "not eating large obvious amounts of gluten" ...

    We live in a world where we can't ver 100% avoid risk... so we always have risk but its HOW we manage that risk.

  3. Finally made it to Milan -- finally found a place more expensive than Tokyo and Hawaii too.

    It costs US$50 A day to access from the Mariott here so i wont be adding as many messages as I thought I would!

    the flights from hawaii to here were pretty good.

    American did have all the gluten-free meals and they were not bad. grilled salmon on rice with beans.

    salads and fruit plates. British Air didnt have the gluten-free meal from London to MIlan which was ok as i didnt want to eat again after being in the air so long from LA to London.

    The AA flight attendents seemed genuinely interested in learning more about celiac and why people order gluten-free meals on the plane. Especially when I asked them not to offer my wife the bread basket over me.

    Of course they had no idea that even crumbs could cause us problems. Always when they served something ( 3 meals on the long flight) they asked if I could have something in addition to the gluten-free meal.

    all in all they were very nice about it.

    just 5 am in Milan now so it will be a few hours before i go looking for the first gluten-free meal here.

    Ken

    Ken there is a national chain of Internet cafe's that offers a pay as you go card (trying to remember the name but mostly in the north)...

    They also have skype phones etc.

    You just pay once and then you can use the card in any of their cafe's...

  4. Did that work ??

    Incidentally, if your worried about identity theft then rather unluckily you made the wrong choice....

    You either trust Norton (Symantec) or not... because you are installing their software onto your computer.

    Once you install their software they have access to EVERY file on your computer .. should they wish...

    Unless your a total geek into PC security (in which case the chance is you wouldn't be using Vista or any Microsoft product at all) there is no way for you to tell what info Norton collects for itself ....

    Luckily there are plenty of geeks who monitor the likes of Norton HOWEVER ... the same holds true for any software you need to say "allow" for (in Vista) though this distinction is a bit pointless ... because most of your identity stuff is stored as your user not the "administrator" account ...

    On the other hand https:// is secure.... if you type the link yourself and watch that your not connecting to say Open Original Shared Link instead of Open Original Shared Link your transaction is closed point to point... so unless someone can hack into symantec and get your details its safe...

    Note the subtle difference above (.... this is why you shouldn't click on links in eMails unless your certain its genuine...)

  5. As far as celiac disease is concerned the amount of gluten on anything that has been in a bun is many many times more than you need to be sick. Forget the hot-dog the guy handling the hot dog has just touched gluten and then the hot dog... or used the same tongs.

    As far as seizures, I have a friend who gets them and it would seem the same tiniest of tiniest amounts (smaller than you can see with the naked eye) is more than enough.

  6. I was thrilled when I received my laptop as a gift for school. It was all great until my 3-month subscription for Norton ran out. I didn't feel comfortable with renewing over a wire connection because of Id theft. Then it popped into my head that I could just install my McAfee that I had on my PC that uses 2000. But I completely forgot that it was Vista and now I cannot get the stupid program off.

    I've tried shredding it, but it pops up 'An error has occured'.

    I've tried uninstalling it, but it says 'INF file missing'.

    I went and bought Norton Internet Security for it and it doesn't recommend me downloading it because the McAfee could interfer with it.

    So, I don't have a virus scanner and a $70 anti-virus program sitting on my table unused. My senior is coming up and I know I'm going to have my laptop for all those papers.

    Does anyone might have a clue on what to do?

    Try re-installing McAfee watch carefully for any errors in the install... if it tells you it can't copy a file then note them down... as a last ditch thing copy the .inf file from the McAfee install ... once its installed to its satisfaction then try the deinstaller...

  7. both excellent points.. All I know is I used to eat their fries all the time and then about 6 weeks ago, I started getting sick.... like I was being glutened. Now I don't eat their fries anymore and I feel better.

    I still think CC is the biggest problem.... and Like LarryMac say's it could just as easily be a resto perhaps...

    The big problem (at the risk of repeating myself) is that we (celiacs) start doing what you did "eat them all the time" ... just because its easy to believe that "oh McDo's fries are safe" ... because its so hard to get anything else to eat ... and it ends up being a habit.. (which is after all the whole marketing strategy of McDo's - not for celiacs but in general)

    for Some corps like McDo's you need to read EVERY last word ... because they will have a standard response drafted by a team of expert's at misleading writing, checked by lawyers etc.

    If you ever watch The west wing I can imagine they have similar discussions about the exact nuance and liability of everyword as presidential speeches.

    I've worked for companies with the same sort of rules... and nothing gets released without a whole panel of writers and lawyers ... even though the response might seem casual... the way to tell is often that it doesn't actually answer the question .. like the "natural product" part... is always a giveaway ... if you didn't ask that why did the answer it ... ?? Probably because they have a choice of 10 or so responses they can send that have been checked for liability and marketing spin and the person is not allowed to edit them, only reply with the whole response...

    .... another thing to consider is I personally find with very low amounts (like 20ppm wheat starch) the reaction is more of a build-up than a wham-bang ... often affecting my mood and neuro symptoms subtly before I get the big D ...

  8. Well here's the response from McDonald's to my request that they remove the gluten from the french fries:

    "Thank you for taking the time to contact McDonald's. We always enjoy hearing from our customers and welcome this opportunity to share some information with you about our menu items.

    You indicated that you need to determine whether gluten is present in our French fries or hash browns. Hydrolyzed wheat bran, the starting ingredient used in making the natural flavor for our French fries and hash browns, is a common ingredient in many food products. Consistent with what we know about the process for making our flavor, testing and analysis by leading experts have not detected gluten in our French fries or hash browns. In case you had any concern, the recent announcements about McDonald's French fries relates to the 0 gram TFA per labeled serving cooking oil we are now using in all U.S. restaurants. There have been no other changes in the French fry ingredients.

    For reference, please visit McDonald's website at www.mcdonalds.com.

    Once again, thank you for contacting McDonald's."

    Its just misleading ...

    1/

    Hydrolyzed wheat bran, the starting ingredient used in making the natural flavor for our French fries and hash browns, is a common ingredient in many food products.

    Erm, yeah so is wheat flour but that's not the question...

    2/

    testing and analysis by leading experts have not detected gluten in our French fries or hash browns

    Again, according to the lab report they didn't test the final product so of course they didn't detect gluten...note they strongly imply the finished product is tested but don't actually say do!!

  9. I'd say go ahead ... and to coin a phrase 'knock yourself out'.

    Obviously you need to eat correctly... but the running should stimulate that and allow you to get extra nutrients while not worrying so much about calories etc.

    I find when I exersize I quite naturally eat better .. because your thinking in terms of nutrition and what you need to get up and do whatever exersize you choose. Also after a couple of weeks you'll find yourself getting into a routine and begin to look forwards to the exersize.

    Or more accurately just keep up what you're doing and gradually get back to the point where you can run again...

  10. When I called them I was told that one of the flavors had a wheat component and that the amount of wheat in the finished french fry product was so low that they could be considered gluten free. However they will make no guarantees about their gluten free status. I'm not that proud of it, but I've let my son eat their fries three times now and he has never gotten sick. I always tell them that they cannot touch wheat or breading and then I watch the employee that handles them like a hawk. :rolleyes:

    Jenny ...

    I don't think its an issue for 3 times....

    We all take risks everyday.... much as we minimise them....

    I am not going to rob him of his french fries!!

    Much as it might feel like this you're not robbing him.... McDonalds are...

    As Larry Mac said ... (but obviously turning it around) .. why don't they just change the recipee??

    I think the way to look at it is like this...

    Once in a while the risk is very small .... but if you start to regard the fries as "safe" and a frequent thing then the risk multiplies...

    This is my main issue... for all your stated reasons... that due to a skillfully written and deliberately deceiving report people start to consider them "safe"...

  11. Where is the CC in the fries? They have a dedicated fryer. What would it take to make McDonald's fries more safe than your comfortable restaurant, where they most certainly do not have a dedicated fryer?

    A point Celiacs should know is that they do not fry the fries in a dedicated fryer for our benefit. Far from it, they only do so because otherwise the fries would taste like chicken or fish. Also, the oil would become fouled (no pun intended) with flour batter droppings.

    The world does not revolve around Celiacs. They sell tens of millions of orders of fries worldwide every day. I can't see them building their marketing strategy around "how can we deceive the Celiacs". If they were that concerned about us they would simply remove the tiny amount of wheat flavoring in the oil.

    But why should they bother? Even that would not satisfy some people (care to guess who?). My main point is, if you say CC is an issue with McDonald's fries, than CC is an issue anywhere you eat out. Fast food or restaurant.

    best regards, lm

    Here in the UK they do battered onion rings... (in a seperate frier) however a 'bonus' onion ring in the fries is not unknown!! (were talking a 4" diameter ring here not a speck) does it foul the oil.. of course but then this is probably something they are more likely to do at the end of a shift etc. but just as much to the point, do they handle buns and then handle the fries?

    Do they do this regularly ?? probably not... is it worse than a sit down resto? Probably not....

    But as you say they serve tens of millions per day....

    The world does not revolve around Celiacs. They sell tens of millions of orders of fries worldwide every day. I can't see them building their marketing strategy around "how can we deceive the Celiacs". If they were that concerned about us they would simply remove the tiny amount of wheat flavoring in the oil.

    1:x people are celiac... and 1:x diary intollerant etc.

    I don't know the percentage of Hindu Americans ... but I'd guess its not that big....

    McDonalds however officially lied to the American Hindu association for years...

    Take into consideration that Hindu's are unlikely to be patrons of a Burger joint in the first place.... its a bit like having a Kosher hog grill place???

    Yet McDonalds lied about the beef extract in the fries....

    They do this because they want to be inclusive.... because opening the lid for the Hindu's would open it for vegetarians... etc.

    McDo's have a very defined marketing strategy... if you study Marketing all companies are dived into Marketing Based and Sales Based very few are 'balanced'.. (we are talking about 'sales departments' not shop sales)

    McDonalds are very very marketing based...

    They market a 'product' and an 'image' and 'sales people' do not get any latitude in this...

    If you take a dept store for instance many will allow the sales staff to do product placement.. decide how to play things out in the store and take feedback from the people actually meeting the customers over what works and what doesn't...

    McDonalds doesn't work like that... as is stated several times above the fries are done in a certain frier in a certain place to a certain recipe ... they control everything down to the 'have a nice day' ... and asking "do you want fries with that" even if the customer specifically asks for a Big Mac with no fries and no drink...

    A salesforce driven company the sales people are allowed lattitude... and allowed to interpret the customers wishes... for instance not telling the guy coming from a funeral to "have a nice day" ....

    If they were that concerned about us they would simply remove the tiny amount of wheat flavoring in the oil.

    But they are not concerned about us... they are only concerned about our money....

    Ford continued to sell the Pinto with a known fatal fault.... they continued to sell the explorer with a fatal fault.... (as just one example)....

    They could have recalled the product..... and fixed the flaw... but it cost more than they expected to have to pay out in liability...

    Its really that simple... as the scene on Fight Club....

    All that matters is "what can we sell and the bottom line"....

    They got caught out over the beef in the fries... but only because the American Hindu assoc actually analysed them.... by the same token, why didn't they just disclose the beef ??

  12. It depends. For me the timing of the reaction is related to how bad the glutening was. Almost like it takes my body days to detect a little teeny tiny bit of gluten and react but if it's a more substantial amount, it knows immediately.

    If I were to eat a big hunk of bread, I'd react within 30 minutes.

    When I get glutened from a small ingredient (like a meat marinade that contained soy sauce or something similar), I usually react within 24 hours.

    Cross contamination can take me up to 3 full days to react.

    Just to prove everyone is different I seem to be the opposite ??? Not that CC takes longer but that there doesn't seem any correlation between the AMOUNT and the delay or severity.... ????

    Well ... again more or less...

    Some things like CODEX starch I seem to get a delay or build-up type reaction... a tiny amount of some very low ppm and I just feel crappy but if for instance I eat CODEX bread for 4-5 days then it seems to explode...

    The biggest thing for me seems to be 'other stuff' like general health ...

    Another thing I noticed is its often the 'withdrawal' period that's most severe...

    Anyway.. the problem with all these 'observations' is that its impossible to be sure you're 100% gluten-free always... for instance just touching a door handle someone who just ate a sandwich touched ... and although we might catch most of these gotcha's we are never really 100% sure...

    My personal perspective is we can drive ourselves mad trying to figure some of this out but its only of limited use...

    For instance, if you ate out you might have been glutened by the meal but you can't be 100% certain it wasn't the soap dispenser ... OR something you ate the day before!!

    I know there are times i have been as close to 100% as I can and still work... and still I get glutened, perhaps I should stop drinking coffee at work? etc. because someone used the teaspoon for muesli? but It might not be that and something I didn't even notice...

  13. Educate yourself regarding McD's french fries and then make your own decision to eat or not eat. That to me is the bottom line.

    It may be the bottom line but the information is missing ...

    If the CSA walked into 100 or better 1000 McDonalds and purchased fries, had them analyzed and published the results we might get a representative test.

    However we don't have this to base decisions on.... we have a very misleading report paid for by McDonalds. (I say its misleading on two factors) ..

    1/ In my opinion as a scientific report writer this is written to mislead. The summary does not reflect the conclusion.

    2/ So many people say "but the fries don't contain gluten".

    To put it simply, if McDo's are putting an idea out that the fries are safe ... BUT they have totally bypassed if this is the case because they miss CC.

    People are seizing the former ... (a biased report) and ignoring the latter because we are stuck for places to get convenience food that's safe. McDonalds are exploiting that "need" as a business.

    It is really our job, as much as anyones to set this straight...

    I'm sure there are good and bad McDo's .. but at least the overall question "Are McDo's fries safe" should not follow the marketing ploy of McDo's.

  14. to end this argument

    Only it won't because this issue is really about "is it OK to get small amounts of gluten" ...

    The danger of the McDo statement is it bypasses this question. It more or less takes the decision away from the consumer by saying "the fries are safe".

    as Larry mac say's

    I make my wife a sandwich using wheat bread. I don't use gloves or wash my hands (I do wipe my hands off though, and OK, often I do a quick splash wash). I don't get sick. I don't believe touching bread, either by me or someone else is what makes me sick. That's not to say when I eat out that I don't try to avoid having my food being touched by a food worker that has touched bread. The point is, how do you know?

    I'm extremely picky ... I only go to resto's on the whole where I know the owner or chef.

    Even then its not 100% safe because non celiacs don't think of wheat/flour etc. as a toxin. People will absent mindedly (for us) wipe down a plate or fork with the same cloth they used to clean up breadcrumbs etc.

    So again, my main issue is the idea it's SAFE. The fact it's everywhere and that people will see something like this thread or the CSA statement and think "Oh, I'll just get some fries then".... and totally bypass thinking about CC etc.

  15. Sounds like a classic "power of suggestion" case. Mind over matter thing. Didn't make you sick when you "thought" they were OK. Then, when you "thought" they weren't OK you got sick. Wierd.

    best regards, lm

    Could be but could also be the observed reaction many of us see when we cut out the last traces of gluten and become more sensitive to small amounts?

    Quite honestly as pointed out already, the chance of CC is pretty big .... in any fast food environment.

    That means that one time you might be fine, ten times you might be fine but the chance is sooner or later you won't be.

    Factors that influence this are as random as time of day to your local manager, if that manager is working or not at the time etc. etc.

  16. I have no doubt I was glutened by the fries. I WON'T be eating them again. But I do understand that perhaps everyone is not so sensitive, and they can eat the fries with no problem. Just wanted to share my story. :)

    I still think the most likely cause is the actual CC, not the minute amounts in the gluten.

    I know we are all different.... but for me I find microscopic (as in truly microscopic) I don't tend to react straight away, its more of a build-up.

    My problem with McDo and their statement is it is designed to give a false confidence. By making the issue about the oil they effectively bypass the issue of CC.

    I don't know why! I was in a rush and went through the drivethu to get the kids happy meals, and I thought, what the heck, let's see how sensitive I am (I plead temporary insanity!)

    Its not insanity, its called Marketing ....

    That's my problem, the "Its OK for celiacs" statements they got 3rd parties to do ... mean people think "but it must be OK and I'm in such a rush today" etc.

  17. Open Original Shared Link.

    It's a matter of personal choice whether or not you want to eat them, but using the most sensitive commercial test, there is no detectable gluten in McDonald's french fries.

    I bolded the part... but CSA are incorrect as the analysis shows the RAST test does detect gluten. However the question is what is a commercial test. There are plently of tests that can detect this level of gluten ... they are just expensive... GC-MS can detect a MDL of 10-20 ppb... but they chose not to do quantitive tests... (presumably as they already know the answer).

    This is not a valid testing methodology for a process. What they refer to as a "commercial test" they mean a screening test. Screening tests are what are used in line control not what are used to test a product. A real example is the testing used by Perrier on their bottled water... at one point they detected an organic contaminant using line screening. This prompted them to do a proper analysis. What McDonalds had run were screening tests (ELISA and RAST) but the wording they used is "commercial test". A more everyday example might be an optician. The "can you read this" ... but this is simply screening. I can read the bottom line no problem yet I need glasses (astigmatism) but the glasses require a proper test not just "if you can read this you don't need glasses".

    The bottom line is the test is a cheat.... had they worded the results differently I might be more inclined to put some trust in them but they have lied in food statements before and i have no doubt they will again.

    QUOTE (Ursa Major @ Jun 16 2008, 08:14 AM) *

    The Canadian site says the natural flavour comes from a vegetable source. Since wheat is a grain, not a vegetable, I believe I can safely rule out gluten.

    Also, they use CANADIAN ingredients here. This is what they say about the potatoes for the French fries:

    I doubt they use the same ones in the U.S.

    I have eaten the fries here, and my granddaughter (who is very sensitive and gets a stomach ache and D from gluten right away) eats them and is fine.

    But it is good to know that when I visit the U.S. I can't eat their fries.

    vegetable source as in plant not animal... I have never seen anything labeled "natural flavors, grain source"

    This is exactly what I mean about wishful thinking....

    But to me, the whole debate about the flavor in the oil used for parboiling by one supplier in the US is a bit puzzling. The amount of cross-contamination you risk by just touching anything in that (or any) fast food environment is a much greater concern to me. To accept that risk, and then worry about undetectable levels in the product after several dilutions of what was already a trace amount does not seem rational.

    This is true.... it is however of concern because of statements like the above ....

    Many people will argue again and again the fries are gluten-free.... the fries are not gluten-free and Mcdonalds has a downloadable pdf that say's so (right at the very bottom) ...

    However I agree completely that the risk of CC is by many times bigger...

    The reason its important is that people will read this and think they are OK ... I agree everyone should make up their own mind... I just think everyone should do so with the correct information!

  18. Our GI doctor said we caught my 4 year old at an early stage (patchy damage to the villi). So therefore it took 4 years before she had patchy damage. I don't want to wait 4 years of watching my daughter fall off the weight chart to await a biopsy.

    I would definitely ask the GI doc if he actually has ever seen damage at that young of an age before.

    Even if HE has ... it dosn't mean the OP's baby will.

    13 months is so young

    Solids introduced at 6 months. Diarrhea started at 7 1/2 months.
    So he only has 6 months eating Gluten...

    He also still has mostly YOUR immune system... if you are positive he will likely be positive....if he will be positive he might not have enough of his own yet to show ....

    Meanwhile if he gets a negative biopsy what will you do? Potentially poison him on the results of a shaky and inaccurate test?

    I agree 100% with fiddle-faddle...

  19. Thanks, Steve. Yes, you are right. I think I would have killed somebody if they would have bought me something extremely practical like a vacuum cleaner! :blink::ph34r: But it appears that by now they actually know better.

    In the meantime I figured out the frame, and put some pictures on (I made a start, anyway) and it looks really neat, with a calendar and time display on one side, and the slideshow happening on the other side (that was the display I like best....... for now). It is fun and colourful and looks neat. It certainly is a unique gift that won't get boring.

    I'm terrible myself.... though I sometimes come up with the 'best presents ever' its so random and 90% of the time I just don't have a clue.

    Glad you figured it out ... I actually think you'll get a lot of enjoyment seeing the grandkids and all.

    I just know how ridiculously expensive they are, and what I could have had instead for the same money.

    True but that's why they are 'presents' ...

    otherwise you're correct 2.2 hoovers or 100 pairs of socks :D

    Neither one believes in cc, unfortunately. And they won't get another chance for a whole year to serve me cc'd birthday cake.

    True but they all must have gone to a tremendous effort....

    Once again, best wishes for the coming year....

  20. There are different forms of mercury. They are not all equal in their toxicity and the body doesnt handle them all the same....some forms are more easily excreted. Mercury vapor from amalgams is a very toxic form of mercury which is readily absorbed into the nervous system....into the cells, into the brain, etc.

    There is also the effects of synergy (which I discussed in another thread). Amalgams are a mix of metals...in the presence of other metals the toxicity of mercury increases significantly. Exposure to metals from other sources also reacts with mercury that is already in the body. A person with amalgam fillings will have mercury stored in various body sites. Other metals (from any source) can increase the toxicity of mercury.

    Yes however in these cultures people were exposed to mercury and other heavy metals through the environment in far higher doses... so evenif it was not the same form they were still getting mercury, antimony and lead.

    The world that we're living in now is much different than it was thousands of years ago. That has to be taken into consideration. Thousands of years ago we did not have 1 in 94 boys being diagnosed with Autism either.

    No they were just abandoned, killed or treated like lepers...

    I'm not saying it was 1:94 ... I'm just saying it wasn't diagnosed.

    Even though coeliac (spelled correctly for a reason) was known about (for almost 2000 years) it was not diagnosed in the VAST majority of people ... because the vast majority were simply lucky to just be alive.

    The numbers of children diagnosed with auto-immune and other allergies today is simply explained by them being alive... and medicine testing.

    Without modern medicine many of these children would not have been conceived, MOST of them would never have lived long enough ...

    Yes we live in different times... prior to the 1600's only pre-columbian tribes had access to peanuts... Europeans and Asians did not need to worry about peanut allergy because it didn't exist outside what would become latin america. people allergic to bee stings just died....

    Our food has also changed DRASTICALLY....

    Almost all the store bought food contains so many different sources... not just additives but vegetables that are only available imported from exotic, far-away places.

    All of this together contributes to the allergies today.... and mercury amalgam fillings may play a part as well but we cannot ignore the fact that people worked with mercury based inks, wore clothes treated with mercury and in cases BATHED in baths of it... (syphilis) ...

    Just because fillings represents the biggest contributor TODAY means nothing for the past.

    The Romans were well versed in its toxicity. Working in cinnabar mines was a death sentence... a practice also continued in Spain

    "The prisoners, known as forzados, were selected out of criminals waiting for transport to the galleys in the jail of Toledo. Those selected usually had limited sentences and good physical abilities. Murderers and capital criminals were rarely selected, as the galleys were considered a far harsher punishment than the mines of Almad

  21. I think it is perfectly normal and o.k. to be selective in the early dating phase. Im talking a few dates. I have done it myself. Somewhere around 7 years ago when I was single, I dated a perfectly lovely man that had a bad back. I was a fitness instructor at the time and very active. I didnt let it go past 2 dates and then gave the friends speech.

    But it is a different matter once you are serious or married. You expect that the person loves you and is in it for better or worse. If you are not married yet and they are not supportive, that will not change with a wedding ban. Might as well find a way out IMO. If you are married and they are not supportive, counseling is in order at a minimum. And there are choices there too....we are never trapped!

    Well said, Respect... I'm sure quite a few of the people who are saying how bad this is have done the same thing,perhaps not over an illness but over something else.

    When people are dating they are testing the waters, seeing if they can spend the rest of their life with that person... if they find one thing that they feel will annoy them or they won't get over or just something that means the relationship will not be what they are looking for in a relationship then is this not the correct thing to do?

    How many guys get dumped because they don't have the latest car? A high enough salary or a cool enough job? Yet all of these things can and do change...

    When I was 21 I was earning

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