Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Eating Gluten Won't Cause A Reaction...


ChrissyInNH

Recommended Posts

ChrissyInNH Rookie

I went to see a gastro today for the first time, hoping for some insight and possibly a diagnosis. According to him, ingesting gluten does not invoke a reaction (such as headache, diarrhea, stomach cramps, moodiness, etc.) in someone with celiac disease. He said the gluten is not the irritant that causes an immediate reaction (within an hour or a couple of days). He said that it is the damage to the intestine that causes the malabsorption and ingesting gluten won't cause a problem for weeks. He compared it to lactose intolerance and said that the lactose is just sitting there irritating and causing gas and bloating, but gluten does not affect us that way - apparently.

Uh, does this sound right to you guys? I'm new at this and from what you all have said, this couldn't be farther from the truth! Did I just waste another $20 co-pay? (not to mention driving an hour down and back to Boston, fighting ttraffic.)

I am really frustrated. I think I'm just going to keep myself and my son (age 2) on the gluten-free diet and forget about getting an official dx. I feel better than I have in years and my son is doing great! Maybe in 10 years or so the medical community will wake up and we can get a dx. I don't mean to doctor bash. I'm just feeling upset right now, so I hope you'll excuse me.

<_<

Christine


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



plantime Contributor

Sounds like he might be referring to the reason we are sick for two weeks after a gluten accident. Maybe he is considering the more immediate reaction to be anaphylactoid in nature. Either way, I am unable to breathe, have the urge to vomit, and get horrible stomach cramps within a hopur or two of eating it, and the misery lasts for more than a week. If you are doing so much better on a gluten-free diet, then go for it! Just remember that you will need something in writing in case you are hospitalized for any other reason. I ordered MedicAlert tags, since most emergency people will accept what they say without question in event of an emergency!

YankeeDB Contributor

Crissy (beautiful picture btw!), I think your instincts are right on and doctors sometimes make blanket statements that are wrong. Everyone is wrong sometimes! Trying the gluten-free diet may be your best bet; or, you could consult another gi doctor after inquiring to find one that seems more open/more knowledgable.

Good luck to you and your little one! :)

tarnalberry Community Regular

I think an awful lot of celiacs would disagree with that doc. There are peer-reviewed published studies of the opiate effects of gluten that is not completely broken down in the intestines, as well as other effects.

The gluten ITSELF doesn't directly cause most of the symptoms - that's true. But that's because it's just the first thing on the list of reactions, and it's the immune system (which is reacting to the gluten) that causes the symptoms. But for all intents and purposes, there is no need to distinguish between the two, because if you don't eat the gluten, you don't cause your immune system to react to it.

Guest jhmom

Hi Christine :D , well I can tell you first hand when I accidently ingest gluten I know it sometimes within 30 minutes, a couple of hours or as long as 10 hours. My symptoms then are mainly double overing abdominal pain & diarrhea. :(

I think the idea of staying gluten-free is a good idea especially if you have seen an improvement. If you decide later to get a dx I would suggest Open Original Shared Link which is the stool panel test that I am sure you have read about here and the good thing about Enterolab is you do not have to be on gluten to receive accurate results. Another route would be to find a doc that knows something about Celiac.

Take care

ChrissyInNH Rookie

Thanks for your responses everyone. I really appreciate it! I'm wondering if my insurance might cover Enterolab tests. I actually have something in my insurance that covers "alternative care" such as massage, acupuncture, etc., so if my regular insurance won't cover it, the alternative care part might.

Thanks again! :D

Chris

plantime Contributor

The worst your insurance company can do is refuse to cover it, so I would ask. You might need a request for the test from your doctor. Enterolab says they will send a receipt that can be submitted to insurance.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



wildones Apprentice
Just remember that you will need something in writing in case you are hospitalized for any other reason. I ordered MedicAlert tags, since most emergency people will accept what they say without question in event of an emergency!

Why do you think you would need anything in writing if hospitalized ? My son has been in the ER several times, but not hospitalized again since his diagnosis. He has had 30 surgeries/proceedures and many hospital admissions in his 7-1/2 yrs. We have never had to have anything 'in writing' before. I agree that it is a good idea if unconscious to have a medic alert bracelet, in order to avoid treatments that would be harmful/get necessary meds and/or treatments for certain conditions. I can't think of many or any situations that would be necesary in celiac disease, because you would need to be conscious in order to eat, and you wouldn't need to 'prove it in writing' to get ok foods right ?

Some meds that contain gluten could be harmful maybe, but again unless you are unconscious, you would not be forced to take any gluten containing meds, just because you don't have any 'proof' in writing with you right ?

plantime Contributor

I am thinking of the possibility of a car accident, leaving no one conscious that can tell the doctors NO GLUTEN. If I don't make sure that everyone around me knows, then the results could be devastating (to my body, at least). I want it written in my charts, and on tags, so anyone can see in case I am not able to tell them. Too many medications contain gluten, including the "food packets" that were given to my mom in the ICU. Too many things happen to not be prepared.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - NanceK replied to Jmartes71's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      9

      My only proof

    2. - knitty kitty replied to Hmart's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      13

      Is this celiac?

    3. - Trish G replied to Trish G's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      10

      Fiber Supplement

    4. - trents replied to Hmart's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      13

      Is this celiac?

    5. - trents replied to kpf's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      15

      ttg iga high (646 mg/dl) other results are normal


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):



  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      132,351
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    blacksilkroses
    Newest Member
    blacksilkroses
    Joined

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):


  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):





  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):



  • Who's Online (See full list)

  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • NanceK
      Oh wow! Thanks for this information! I’m going to try the Benfotiamine again and will also add a B-complex to my supplements. Presently, I just take sublingual B12 (methylcobalomin). Is supplementation for celiacs always necessary even though you remain gluten-free and you’re healing as shown on endoscopy? I also take D3, mag glycinate, and try to get calcium through diet. I am trying to bump up my energy level because I don’t sleep very well and feel fatigued quite often. I’m now hopeful that adding the Benfotiamine and B-complex will help. I really appreciate your explanation and advice! Thanks again Knitty Kitty!
    • knitty kitty
      @Hmart, The reason why your intestinal damage was so severe, yet your tTg IgA was so minimal can be due to cutting back on gluten (and food in general) due to worsening symptoms.  The tTg IgA antibodies are made in the intestines.  While three grams of gluten per day for several weeks are enough to cause gastrointestinal symptoms, ten grams of gluten per day for for several weeks are required to provoke sufficient antibody production so that the antibodies move out of the intestines and into the blood stream where they can be measured in blood tests.  Since you reduced your gluten consumption before testing, the antibody production went down and did not leave the intestines, hence lower than expected tTg IgA.   Still having abdominal pain and other symptoms this far out is indicative of nutritional deficiencies.  With such a severely damaged small intestine, you are not absorbing sufficient nutrients, especially Thiamine Vitamin B 1, so your body us burning stored fat and even breaking down muscle to fuel your body.   Yes, it is a very good idea to supplement with vitamins and minerals during healing.  The eight essential B vitamins are water soluble and easily lost with diarrhea.  The B vitamins all work together interconnectedly, and should be supplemented together.  Taking vitamin supplements provides your body with greater opportunity to absorb them.  Thiamine and the other B vitamins cannot be stored for long, so they must be replenished every day.  Thiamine tends to become depleted first which leads to Gastrointestinal Beriberi, a condition that doctors frequently fail to recognize.  Symptoms of Gastrointestinal Beriberi are abdominal pain and nausea, but neuropathy can also occur, as well as body and joint pain, headaches and more.  Heart rhythm disruptions including tachycardia are classic symptoms of thiamine deficiency.  Heart attack patients are routinely administered thiamine now.   Blood tests for vitamins are notoriously inaccurate.  You can have "normal" blood levels, while tissues and organs are depleted.  Such is the case with Gastrointestinal Beriberi, a thiamine deficiency in the digestive tract.  Eating a diet high in carbohydrates, like rice, starches, and sugar, can further deplete thiamine.  The more carbohydrates one eats, the more thiamine is required per calorie to turn carbs into energy.  Burning stored fats require less thiamine, so in times of thiamine shortage, the body burns fat and muscles instead.  Muscle wasting is a classic symptoms of thiamine deficiency.  A high carbohydrate diet may also promote SIBO and/or Candida infection which can also add to symptoms.  Thiamine is required to keep SIBO and Candida in check.   Thiamine works with Pyridoxine B 6, so if Thiamine is low and can't interact with Pyridoxine, the unused B 6 accumulates and shows up as high.   Look into the Autoimmune Protocol diet.  Dr. Sarah Ballantyne is a Celiac herself.  Her book "The Paleo Approach" has been most helpful to me.  Following the AIP diet made a huge improvement in my symptoms.  Between the AIP diet and correcting nutritional deficiencies, I felt much better after a long struggle with not feeling well.   Do talk to your doctor about Gastrointestinal Beriberi.  Share the article linked below. Thiamine, gastrointestinal beriberi and acetylcholine signaling https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12014454/ Keep us posted on your progress!
    • Trish G
      Thanks, that's a great addition that I hadn't thought of. 
    • trents
      Other diseases, medical conditions, medications and even (for some people) some non-gluten foods can cause villous atrophy. There is also something called refractory celiac disease but it is pretty uncommon.
    • trents
      knitty kitty asks a very relevant question. So many people make the mistake of experimenting with the gluten free diet or even a reduced gluten diet soon before getting formally tested.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.