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- knitty kitty replied to Sarah Grace's topic in Related Issues & Disorders18Headaches / Migraines and Hypoglycaemia
You're very welcome, @Sarah Grace, You do need a B Complex, but the TTFD is not the same at all. B Complex usually contains Thiamine Hydrochloride (good) or Thiamine Mononitrate (bad) and the other seven essential B vitamins. Don't get vitamins containing Thiamine Mononitrate. This is used because it has a long shelf-life (it won't break down... -
- Sarah Grace replied to Sarah Grace's topic in Related Issues & Disorders18Headaches / Migraines and Hypoglycaemia
Hello Knitty Kitty, many thanks for your very detailed response. I'm planning to try your recommendation of L-threonate and TTFD, along with the Triptophan. However, my normal supplement supplier does not have TTFD and they suggest using B Complex instead. Is this a satisfactory substitute, in your opinion? Thanks again!- 1
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- knitty kitty replied to Sarah Grace's topic in Related Issues & Disorders18
Headaches / Migraines and Hypoglycaemia
@glucel, I encourage you to reconsider Benfotiamine. Talk to your doctor! There's many articles that have found a link between thiamine and heart problems. Here are some articles worth further discussion with your doctor: Pyruvate dehydrogenase activity and quantity decreases after coronary artery bypass grafting: a prospective observational... -
- glucel replied to Sarah Grace's topic in Related Issues & Disorders18Headaches / Migraines and Hypoglycaemia
Sorry I was not clear. I never took benfotiamine due to the alleged side effects. I never had irregular heart beat before bypass surgery or at least it was never detected. -
- knitty kitty replied to Sarah Grace's topic in Related Issues & Disorders18
Headaches / Migraines and Hypoglycaemia
@Sarah Grace, Thanks for answering. I'm sorry you're not bouncing back as quickly as we would like to see. Are you taking a B Complex? Thiamine interacts with each of the other B vitamins somewhere along the line. Taking a B Complex helps boost absorption and ensures there's plenty of the other B's for thiamine to work with. Thiamine needs...
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By knitty kitty · Posted
You're very welcome, @Sarah Grace, You do need a B Complex, but the TTFD is not the same at all. B Complex usually contains Thiamine Hydrochloride (good) or Thiamine Mononitrate (bad) and the other seven essential B vitamins. Don't get vitamins containing Thiamine Mononitrate. This is used because it has a long shelf-life (it won't break down and become inactive sitting on a store shelf). But that same non-reactivity occurs in the body, so Thiamine Mononitrate is not absorbed well and is difficult to utilize since it's so non-reactive. Only thirty percent of Thiamine Mononitrate is absorbed. TTFD is a form of thiamine that was first found in garlic. It has a fatty tail attached which allows it to enter cells very easily. Benfotiamine has a fatty tail and gets easy access, too. Thiamine Hydrochloride needs passive diffusion to enter cells (high concentrations outside of cells moving to areas of low concentration inside cells). TTFD can cross the blood brain barrier by itself. Benfotiamine and Thiamine HCl need carrier molecules to pass through. They'll still get through, just takes longer. Because TTFD gets into the brain so easily, smaller amounts are needed to see results. Thiamine Hydrochloride 500 - 2000 mg/day Benfotiamine 300 - 1800 mg/day TTFD 50 - 500 mg/day Everyone is different, so you have to find what's right for you. I take some of each every day. Ask your supplier about Lipothiamine, also TTFD with added lipoic acid (brain likes this). Thiamax is another TTFD brand name to look for. I hope you can find a source! P.S. for pain, I take B12 Cobalamine , B 6 Pyridoxine, and Thiamine (Alinamin TTFD) All together these three vitamins have an analgesic effect. Takeda Alinamin EX Plus is the brand name of one tablet with all three in that I really like and rely on. -
By Sarah Grace · Posted
Hello Knitty Kitty, many thanks for your very detailed response. I'm planning to try your recommendation of L-threonate and TTFD, along with the Triptophan. However, my normal supplement supplier does not have TTFD and they suggest using B Complex instead. Is this a satisfactory substitute, in your opinion? Thanks again! -
By knitty kitty · Posted
@glucel, I encourage you to reconsider Benfotiamine. Talk to your doctor! There's many articles that have found a link between thiamine and heart problems. Here are some articles worth further discussion with your doctor: Pyruvate dehydrogenase activity and quantity decreases after coronary artery bypass grafting: a prospective observational study (This article found thiamine deficiency can occur after heart bypass surgery, so it's not surprising you developed bradycardia after your surgery. Bradycardia is a symptom of thiamine deficiency.) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4472607/ Association of vitamin B1 with cardiovascular diseases, all-cause and cardiovascular mortality in US adults https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10502219/ Association of thiamine administration and prognosis in critically ill patients with heart failure https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10076601/ Thiamine deficiency disorders: a clinical perspective https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8451766/ Hiding in Plain Sight: Modern Thiamine Deficiency https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8533683/ -
Sorry I was not clear. I never took benfotiamine due to the alleged side effects. I never had irregular heart beat before bypass surgery or at least it was never detected.
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By knitty kitty · Posted
@Sarah Grace, Thanks for answering. I'm sorry you're not bouncing back as quickly as we would like to see. Are you taking a B Complex? Thiamine interacts with each of the other B vitamins somewhere along the line. Taking a B Complex helps boost absorption and ensures there's plenty of the other B's for thiamine to work with. Thiamine needs magnesium to make enzymes, too. Are you taking a magnesium supplement? I really like Magnesium L-threonate. I had been supplementing with magnesium, but I tried Magnesium L-threonate after reading articles on PubMed which said it improves cognition, migraines, memory, mood, and intestinal permiability! The difference has been very noticeable. Magnesium L-threonate crosses the blood brain barrier easier than other forms of magnesium. Low magnesium in the brain contributes to migraine and depression. Taking magnesium regularly can help prevent more migraines and is helpful during migraine. Magnesium L-threonate has also been shown to improve insulin resistance and improve glucose metabolism. This really helps with my Type Two diabetes. A form of thiamine called tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide (TTFD) is also beneficial for brain function since it crosses the blood brain barrier very easily. Since you are so active outside, you might try this form since it improves athletic performance, strength, and endurance as well. I like to take TTFD with Magnesium L-threonate. Really a great combination. I'm taking it for improving cognition. I increased my Omega Threes because the brain is mostly fat. Olive oil and avocado oil are good sources. Our bodies can burn both carbs and fat for fuel. Maybe having some healthy fats in the evening meal would keep your blood glucose more stable and improve your morning hypoglycemia. Fasting seems to be making the hypoglycemia worse. If we don't have sufficient thiamine or magnesium, our bodies store carbs as fat. I feel better on a low carb/high healthy fat diet. I stick close to the AutoImmune Protocol Diet, but I've added in some carbs. Yes, it's really easy to over do it on carbs. I found taking a drink of water before snacking on carbs helps me realize I was just thirsty, or the water fills my tummy and I'm not really hungry. The tannins in coffee and tea can cleave thiamine in two, making it useless. Thiamine and coffee need to be taken an hour or two apart. Alcohol is going to contribute to further damage of the intestines and cause vitamin malabsorption, thiamine and niacin especially. Tryptophan, a form of niacin, helps immensely because it helps heal the intestines and is needed to make Serotonin, that feel good neurotransmitter. Tryptophan is very relaxing, so much so that I take it before bed time along with magnesium Threonate and don't have a problem with insomnia. You might try taking your Benfotiamine in the morning and throughout day, but not in the evenings. Since the B vitamins are involved in energy production, the Benfotiamine could be contributing to the insomnia. I've kept myself awake taking thiamine too close to bedtime. Tryptophan and magnesium at bedtime. Passion flower tea or extract is helpful for falling asleep without any side effects, no groggy feeling the next day. Are you taking Vitamin D? Vertigo can happen with Vitamin D deficiency or thiamine deficiency. Thiamine is needed to activate Vitamin D. Vitamin D levels should be in the eighties to get the most benefit. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. Best wishes for you!
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