Gas with yellow jelly

[Malc1155]

Hi everyone. I hope someone can help me with the ongoing problems im having for the past year. I have always had ibs diarrhea but its never made my life unpleasant. Im 50. Had FIT stool tests and clear. Bloods clear. Abdominal ultrasound clear. Tested for celiac and normal but i know thats not conclusive as many on here say they have gluten intolerance even though it does not show on the test. This all happened to me a year ago. Ive always had bad gas but its now coming out as yellow mucus or clear. I went gluten free dairy free and yes it has helped with the gas big time but im still passing this mucus every week or so then clear up again for a week. I paid to see a private gastro doc and he dont even know whats gone wrong. I havent lost weight and no blood so far. The doctors here wont do a colonoscopy because no weight loss or blood so im left to suffer with depression over this all. Can anyone tell me if they have similar things?..i do now take one loperamide a day and keep diet clean and it is helpful no diarrhea at all but as i said this mucus can come out just out the blue. If anyone can help me i would be very grateful. Malcolm 

[trents]

"Gluten intolerance" is an umbrella term that covers both celiac disease and gluten sensitivity. Gluten sensitivity is often called NCGS (Non Celiac Gluten Sensitivity). There currently is no test to diagnose NCGS so it is inferred when symptoms persist even though the tests for celiac disease are negative. The symptoms of NCGS are much the same as with celiac disease. What test did you have done for celiac disease. Did you have the blood antibody test or the endoscopy/biopsy of the small bowel or both? There are a number of blood antibody tests that can be run for celiac disease: https://celiac.org/about-celiac-disease/screening-and-diagnosis/screening/ Many doctors will only run the tTG-IGA test and will miss some people who actually do have celiac disease. Can you post your test results with actual numbers and reference ranges?

For celiac disease tests to be valid, you should be consuming normal amounts of gluten (the equivalent of two slices of wheat bread) for 6-8 weeks daily leading up to the blood antibody test and for two weeks leading up to the endoscopy/biopsy.

A colonoscopy is not a celiac disease test. A colonoscopy scopes the large or the lower end of the bowel. The endoscopy with biopsy of the small or upper end of the  bowel is done for celiac disease. It looks for damage to the small bowel villi.

You state you have eliminated gluten and dairy from your diet and feel some better. But it is harder than you think to eliminate gluten from the diet and most people who think they are eating gluten free are actually practicing a lower gluten diet because they have eliminated only major sources of gluten such as bread and pasta but are still getting minor amounts from cross contamination, particularly if they are still eating in restaurants. Many celiacs also have dairy intolerance but dairy is not the only food besides gluten that celiacs can develop intolerance to. Chicken eggs, soy and corn are also common intolerances. And about 10% of celiacs react to the protein in oats the same way they due gluten.

[GodsGal]

Hi Malcolm!

I have seen that mucus too. When I see that, I know that something slipped past my radar, and is irritating my bowels. Then I start looking back over the past several days to see if I could have been cross contaminated, or if I ate something I have not tried before. I have to avoid oats and dairy as well wheat, barley, rye, and spelt. And I currently suspect that the "Kind" nut bars I have picked up from time to time are not so kind to me. 😕

Also, I have had to eliminate non-food sources of gluten as well. It can be found in shared/previously used toasters and kitchen equipment, medications, lotions, creams, cosmetics, toothpaste, soaps, shampoos, conditioners, detergents, pet food, lick to seal envelopes, etc.

[knitty kitty]

@Malc1155, 

Welcome to the forum!

I've had that yucky mucus, too, usually after eating a fatty meal.  I agree with @GodsGal.  Keeping a food/mood/poo'd dairy will help pinpoint problematic foods.  

The gallbladder secretes bile to help digest fats.  Sometimes the gallbladder doesn't secrete enough bile.  The gallbladder is located in the upper right quadrant of the abdomen.  Some people who have Celiac have gallbladder problems.  I had to have mine removed in emergency surgery after I had had diarrhea and digestive problems (gas, mucus, reflux, etc.) for a prolonged time.  Like you, it wasn't all the time, it would come and go.  

I was also deficient in thiamine (Vitamin B1) at that time.  Thiamine helps our gallbladder secrete that bile.  Thiamine also helps us digest fats.  Thiamine can become deficient when we have diarrhea because thiamine does not get absorbed or gets flushed out.  Thiamine can't be stored for very long (9-21 days).  So you can understand how frequent diarrhea can exacerbate thiamine loss.

Thiamine deficiency can be corrected by taking thiamine supplements, 300-500 mg a day.  Benfotiamine (a form of thiamine) is especially helpful for healing the intestines. It's available online or over the counter.  I order from that big smiley "A" store because I live in the stix.  I take 100-200mg with each meal.  Thiamine is harmless.  If your body doesn't need it, it gets p*ssed out.  I take magnesium citrate, too, because thiamine needs it to work properly.  (Don't overdo the magnesium.  Some forms can cause diarrhea, but less so with magnesium citrate.)

 I'm not a doctor, but I'm concerned that you are taking loperamide daily.  It's supposed to be used occasionally.  Did your doctor recommend daily use?  Scary. 

In my experience, doctors don't know much about vitamins and don't recognize vitamin deficiencies.  If we give our bodies what it needs to function properly, our bodies can heal themselves.  

Hope this helps! 

Malcolm is my cat's name.😸

 

 

[Malc1155]

Hi.

Thank you for the reply and advice you sent me.

I will give thiamine a try and order some today. To be honest i will try anything now as im desperate for help. I feel i have been abandoned by the nhs here the health service. 

So you have just had mucus alone?. Thats what im suffering. I can understand the doctors when they say there not to concerned but i am ill over it all with worry. Everyone thinks the worst especially the cancer but i suppose I would have constant blood. 

Maybe as i got older especially turning 50 my body changed and i cant tolerate gluten anymore. Is it possible to have symptoms within 2 or 3 hrs after eating. Not diarrhea but i mean mucus coming out. 

Thanks again.

Your cat has a good name hehe.

Malcolm

[Malc1155]

10 hours ago, GodsGal said:

Hi Malcolm!

I have seen that mucus too. When I see that, I know that something slipped past my radar, and is irritating my bowels. Then I start looking back over the past several days to see if I could have been cross contaminated, or if I ate something I have not tried before. I have to avoid oats and dairy as well wheat, barley, rye, and spelt. And I currently suspect that the "Kind" nut bars I have picked up from time to time are not so kind to me. 😕

Also, I have had to eliminate non-food sources of gluten as well. It can be found in shared/previously used toasters and kitchen equipment, medications, lotions, creams, cosmetics, toothpaste, soaps, shampoos, conditioners, detergents, pet food, lick to seal envelopes, etc.

Hi.

Thanks for the reply.

So you have had just mucus coming out alone?. Not diarrhea. It really is a massive worry for me the past year. I dont know whats happening to me and feel like i have been left to rot by the health service. The doctors dont really want to know anymore.

I do eat much better now and buy non diary gluten foods. I do think that is a massive part to all this but is it possible to just turn intolerant.

Thanks again. 

Malcolm 

[GodsGal]

Yes, mucus can come alone. Have you been tested for celiac disease? 

[Malc1155]

22 hours ago, trents said:

"Gluten intolerance" is an umbrella term that covers both celiac disease and gluten sensitivity. Gluten sensitivity is often called NCGS (Non Celiac Gluten Sensitivity). There currently is no test to diagnose NCGS so it is inferred when symptoms persist even though the tests for celiac disease are negative. The symptoms of NCGS are much the same as with celiac disease. What test did you have done for celiac disease. Did you have the blood antibody test or the endoscopy/biopsy of the small bowel or both? There are a number of blood antibody tests that can be run for celiac disease: https://celiac.org/about-celiac-disease/screening-and-diagnosis/screening/ Many doctors will only run the tTG-IGA test and will miss some people who actually do have celiac disease. Can you post your test results with actual numbers and reference ranges?

For celiac disease tests to be valid, you should be consuming normal amounts of gluten (the equivalent of two slices of wheat bread) for 6-8 weeks daily leading up to the blood antibody test and for two weeks leading up to the endoscopy/biopsy.

A colonoscopy is not a celiac disease test. A colonoscopy scopes the large or the lower end of the bowel. The endoscopy with biopsy of the small or upper end of the  bowel is done for celiac disease. It looks for damage to the small bowel villi.

You state you have eliminated gluten and dairy from your diet and feel some better. But it is harder than you think to eliminate gluten from the diet and most people who think they are eating gluten free are actually practicing a lower gluten diet because they have eliminated only major sources of gluten such as bread and pasta but are still getting minor amounts from cross contamination, particularly if they are still eating in restaurants. Many celiacs also have dairy intolerance but dairy is not the only food besides gluten that celiacs can develop intolerance to. Chicken eggs, soy and corn are also common intolerances. And about 10% of celiacs react to the protein in oats the same way they due gluten.

Hi.

Thanks for the reply

I got a blood test for celiac disease but they never shared the results with me unfortunately. I did ask for them and was told it was not my concern. Feel the doctors dont care much.

I doubt I will get any scopes to check me out as im not passing blood or weight loss as they put it.

Is passing mucus alone a symptom of intolerance?. When i had this at beginning i have explosive gas with watery mucus and bubbles. Very weird i know.

Thanks. 

Malcolm 

[knitty kitty]

1 hour ago, Malc1155 said:

Hi.

Thank you for the reply and advice you sent me.

I will give thiamine a try and order some today. To be honest i will try anything now as im desperate for help. I feel i have been abandoned by the nhs here the health service. 

So you have just had mucus alone?. Thats what im suffering. I can understand the doctors when they say there not to concerned but i am ill over it all with worry. Everyone thinks the worst especially the cancer but i suppose I would have constant blood. 

Maybe as i got older especially turning 50 my body changed and i cant tolerate gluten anymore. Is it possible to have symptoms within 2 or 3 hrs after eating. Not diarrhea but i mean mucus coming out. 

Thanks again.

Your cat has a good name hehe.

Malcolm

Malcolm,

Yep, mucus alone between meals or after a meal.  Incontinence of mucus on some occasions.  Yuck! 

Yep, explosive gas...had to check to make sure the toilet hadn't cracked beneath me.  Ahem...

Can you get a DNA test?  Some companies do DNA testing thru the mail.  

It's been my experience that doctors will blow you off if they don't know what's wrong with you.  They labeled me as depressed, threw antidepressants at me and brushed me aside.  Doctors think it's psychosomatic with women.

Celiac Disease can be triggered by a virus or another illness, or physical or emotional stress.  I believe nutritional deficiencies play into it, too.

I believe my Celiac was active since birth, but yes, it's hit me harder as I reached my 50's, the long term consequences of undiagnosed Celiac like osteoporosis.  

As long as you're open to the Thiamine and magnesium, get a good B-Complex (because the  eight B vitamins all work together and if you're low on one you're probably low on others.  They are all water soluble and nontoxic.)   

The good thing about the high dose Thiamine is that the higher doses (500 - 1500 mg per day) have been found to cause cancer tumor cells to die.  Work up to that highest dose gradually over a week or month as tolerated and spread out the thiamine supplementation throughout the day.  Thiamine's half life is about two and a half hours, so every two to three hours take another dose.  Get capsules that are 100-200 mg and space them out every two to three hours.  

You might feel great at first, then yucky after a few days, but keep taking the thiamine!  It's called "the Thiamine Paradox" and it will go away in a few days.  It's your body starting to work properly without having to ration what little bit of thiamine it has.  

If you have more questions, let me know.

Kitty 🐱

 

 

[trents]

The watery yellow mucous with bubbles sounds like it could be undigested fat. That is one of the symptoms of celiac disease.

Do you not have online access to your medical record test results to be able to get the numbers? What country are you in?

[GodsGal]

6 hours ago, Malc1155 said:

Hi.

Thanks for the reply

I got a blood test for celiac disease but they never shared the results with me unfortunately. I did ask for them and was told it was not my concern. Feel the doctors dont care much.

I doubt I will get any scopes to check me out as im not passing blood or weight loss as they put it.

Is passing mucus alone a symptom of intolerance?. When i had this at beginning i have explosive gas with watery mucus and bubbles. Very weird i know.

Thanks. 

Malcolm 

I am sorry that they didn't give you the results of the test like they should have. It absolutely IS your concern, and you do need to know the results. 

[Wheatwacked]

The good news is that you don't have colon cancer. You say you've always had IBS. A year ago when it got worse had you taken antibiotics for something? Aside from imodium, other meds? Celiac, Chrohns, IBS, a change in you gut microbes are all possibilities if you need to name it. They all have the same cure. Diet and replenisment of multiple vitamins and minerals deficiencies. More important:

13 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

If we give our bodies what it needs to function properly, our bodies can heal themselves.  

vitamin D intake in the UK population is low with 25(OH)D concentrations being suboptimal for general health. 

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50,000 IU cholecalciferol that was taken one pearl weekly. ...Our results have shown that 6 weeks supplementation with Vitamin D improves the symptoms and QOL in patients with IBS. It seems that Vitamin D supplementation improves the IBS characteristics through improving the factors involved in the development of IBS.   https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6390425/

 

[elthomp]

I have this too. I’ve not been tested for celiac, but am gluten intolerant, and seem to become more sensitive to gluten as time goes on. Even the littlest bit accidentally gives me digestive and other symptoms. I tend to have this mucus in the morning, and I think it coincides with accidental gluten intake. It’s not all the time but yeah, it’s concerning and makes you worry. It makes me feel better to see others get it too, sorry tho that you do. It’s been worse lately, so I must be getting glutened somewhere. Going to try going back to basics. 
 

Wanted to say too that I started a B complex vitamin because I was having feet and leg numbness and tingling and that can be from a thiamine deficiency. Learned that here on the forum☺️ The B vitamins helped right away and I take them daily. 

[Wheatwacked]

If I don't get enough Thiamine I get a cramp in one or both feet after sleeping for an hour and a half.  Get up, do this that or the other and can go back to sleep for another hour and a half.  Now taking 250 mg 1 to 3 times a day and it doesn't happen.  It took a while to figure out.

Also since adding liquid iodine 500-1500 mcg a day, many things are healing.

2 hours ago, elthomp said:

I tend to have this mucus in the morning

Where?  If it is in your BM, it is possibly a gall bladder problem caused by not eating enough eggs and beef for the choline in them.  A course of Phosphatidyl Choline supplements will quickly help with that, if it is the problem.  The RDA is 450 mg to 3500 mg a day.  Choline is essential for fat digestion and experts say less than 10% of us get enough.

I get a very thick mucus in my mouth, like rubber cement.  I have noticed that Flonase or Afrin helps with it.  Testing that theory next week.

 

Edited September 1 by Wheatwacked

[elthomp]

@Wheatwacked I will check out the choline. Thanks!

[Wheatwacked]

It can be hard to find.  I get it from Pipingrock.com.