Feels like I can’t eat anything

[SargeMaximus]

15 minutes ago, knitty kitty said:

@SargeMaximus,

Salting, smoking or curing can inactivate thiamine.  So if you're eating sausages, bacon and hams, you're not getting enough thiamine.  

Caffeine in soda pop, coffee and black tea will also inactivate thiamine.  

Sweet potatoes contain thiaminase, an enzyme that breaks thiamine down so it doesn't work. 

If you've got Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO), your gut bacteria can absorb it before you do.  

Certain medications can prevent thiamine from being absorbed.  Other medications block thiamine transporters that allow thiamine into the cells.  This causes a functional thiamine deficiency...you might have "normal" blood levels, but still have this functional deficiency because the thiamine is not able to get inside the cells.  

Thiamine Transporters turn off when there's not enough thiamine.  In order to turn the transporters back on, the system must be flooded with Thiamine so there's a gradient (moving from areas of high concentration to low concentration).  

High doses of thiamine are needed to flood the system, more than you can eat realistically.  

The World Health Organization states that a diagnosis of thiamine deficiency can be made if improvement is seen after a patient has been given 500 - 2000 mg thiamine hydrochloride for a week.  

I started with Thiamine Hydrochloride in 100 mg tablets for five bucks.  I took 300 mg every three hours, increasing to six times a day.  I took magnesium glycinate at night because magnesium is needed to work with thiamine.  

I had improvement as soon as I took my first dose.  It really made a dramatic difference.  I learned about the fat soluble forms, Allithiamine and Benfotiamine and Thiamax (which contains magnesium).  Benfotiamine has been scientifically shown to promote healing in the gastrointestinal tract.  Allithiamine and Thiamax help with brain function.  

     Thiamine is safe and nontoxic.  Any excess not absorbed is easily excreted in urine.  There's no upper limit because it is nontoxic.  

Thiamine with Vitamin C and hydrocortisone has been used to help people with Covid survive.

Hydrocortisone, Ascorbic Acid and Thiamine (HAT Therapy) for the Treatment of Sepsis

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6265973/

I hope you will try it.  Such a cheap easily available test.  Give it a week.  

Wow, thank you for this! I don't eat sausages, or ham (I try to stay away from processed foods). Pork chops or pork tenderloin or ground pork is all I eat in that regard (occasional bacon but not often at all).

As for tea, I normally only drink green or chamomile. Can't remember when I last had black tea and only have coffee occasionally like when I eat out at a restaurant.

As for the treatment, where can I get it or what am I looking for? I have a B Vitamin complex that has all the B Vitamins including B1 (Thiamine Mononitrate) is that it? How much to take? Pill Bottle says it has 100mg per vitamin listed. Thanks so much.

[knitty kitty]

@SargeMaximus,

Here's the kind I bought...looks like the price went up...

https://www.nowfoods.com/products/supplements/vitamin-b-1-100-mg-tablets

 

Thiamine Mononitrate is not bioavailable.  Thiamine Mononitrate is put into foods and vitamins because it has a long shelf life.  It has a long shelf life because it doesn't react with other things, including our bodies.  

Benfotiamine....

https://www.lifeextension.com/vitamins-supplements/item00920/benfotiamine-with-thiamine?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhs3_xuKx_AIVoxTUAR0TGAJTEAQYBCABEgLAVvD_BwE

And...Allithiamine

https://www.pureformulas.com/allithiamine-vitamin-b1-50-mg-60-capsules-by-ecological-formulas.html?accountid=53000524&CAWELAID=847733950&CATARGETID=530005240008780909&cadevice=t&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIycTA4uKx_AIVgRXUAR2sqgJEEAQYASABEgKPuPD_BwE

 

@SargeMaximus,

If you are eating lots of carbohydrates....

you need more thiamine...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8533683/

[SargeMaximus]

10 minutes ago, knitty kitty said:

@SargeMaximus,

Here's the kind I bought...looks like the price went up...

https://www.nowfoods.com/products/supplements/vitamin-b-1-100-mg-tablets

 

Thiamine Mononitrate is not bioavailable.  Thiamine Mononitrate is put into foods and vitamins because it has a long shelf life.  It has a long shelf life because it doesn't react with other things, including our bodies.  

Benfotiamine....

https://www.lifeextension.com/vitamins-supplements/item00920/benfotiamine-with-thiamine?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhs3_xuKx_AIVoxTUAR0TGAJTEAQYBCABEgLAVvD_BwE

And...Allithiamine

https://www.pureformulas.com/allithiamine-vitamin-b1-50-mg-60-capsules-by-ecological-formulas.html?accountid=53000524&CAWELAID=847733950&CATARGETID=530005240008780909&cadevice=t&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIycTA4uKx_AIVgRXUAR2sqgJEEAQYASABEgKPuPD_BwE

 

@SargeMaximus,

If you are eating lots of carbohydrates....

you need more thiamine...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8533683/

Ok so do I need all of those or just the thiamine?

[knitty kitty]

Any one of them or all of them.  They are all Thiamine. 

Because Benfotiamine and Allithiamine can get into cells without going through the Thiamine transporters, you don't need to take as high a dose as Thiamine Hydrochloride.  

Thiamine Hydrochloride works just fine.  It's what I tried first because I didn't know about the other forms. 

I'm Type Two Diabetic, so I take Benfotiamine because it has been shown to improve blood glucose levels and insulin sensitivity in Type One and Type Two Diabetes.  

I had Wernicke's Encephalopathy, so I take Allithiamine (or Thiamax), because they help with neurological symptoms.  This form is being used to help Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, MS, fibromyalgia, and POTS.

Any one you pick will help! 

[SargeMaximus]

5 minutes ago, knitty kitty said:

Any one of them or all of them.  They are all Thiamine. 

Because Benfotiamine and Allithiamine can get into cells without going through the Thiamine transporters, you don't need to take as high a dose as Thiamine Hydrochloride.  

Thiamine Hydrochloride works just fine.  It's what I tried first because I didn't know about the other forms. 

I'm Type Two Diabetic, so I take Benfotiamine because it has been shown to improve blood glucose levels and insulin sensitivity in Type One and Type Two Diabetes.  

I had Wernicke's Encephalopathy, so I take Allithiamine (or Thiamax), because they help with neurological symptoms.  This form is being used to help Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, MS, fibromyalgia, and POTS.

Any one you pick will help! 

Ok awesome, thank you, I’ll grab some tomorrow. It definitely feels like something is off in my digestion

[knitty kitty]

Get the Benfotiamine. 

Benfotiamine has been shown to promote healing in the intestines.

😺

[SargeMaximus]

1 minute ago, knitty kitty said:

Get the Benfotiamine. 

Benfotiamine has been shown to promote healing in the intestines.

😺

Perfect, will do, thanks again 🙏 I’ll let you know how it goes

[SargeMaximus]

15 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

Get the Benfotiamine. 

Benfotiamine has been shown to promote healing in the intestines.

😺

Ok so all those brands you showed me are American. I’m Canadian and ordering those online will be over $40 a bottle for me! Do you know of any Canadian equivalent?

[knitty kitty]

Isn't Thiamine Hydrochloride available at a pharmacy? 

[SargeMaximus]

1 minute ago, knitty kitty said:

Isn't Thiamine Hydrochloride available at a pharmacy? 

I don’t know, is that the fat soluble kind? I’ll check my pharmacy

[knitty kitty]

No thiamine hydrochloride is the thiamine salt.  

Ask your pharmacist if Benfotiamine and Thiamax can be ordered through the pharmacy.

[SargeMaximus]

20 minutes ago, knitty kitty said:

No thiamine hydrochloride is the thiamine salt.  

Ask your pharmacist if Benfotiamine and Thiamax can be ordered through the pharmacy.

Ok will do, thanks

[SargeMaximus]

49 minutes ago, knitty kitty said:

No thiamine hydrochloride is the thiamine salt.  

Ask your pharmacist if Benfotiamine and Thiamax can be ordered through the pharmacy.

Ok so that’s a “No” to both. Although they didn’t even know what Thiamax was and said it must be a brand name

[knitty kitty]

Can you shop online? 

Amazon.ca or Amazon Global? 

[SargeMaximus]

9 minutes ago, knitty kitty said:

Can you shop online? 

Amazon.ca or Amazon Global? 

Yes but with shipping it costs over $40 a bottle like I said.

 

anyhow, visited the doctor today and told him about my weight concerns and how it hurts to sit for long periods of time. He ordered full blood work, urine, and Heart thing (EEG or ECG whichever it is). Finished that an hour or so ago

[trents]

1 minute ago, SargeMaximus said:

Yes but with shipping it costs over $40 a bottle like I said.

 

anyhow, visited the doctor today and told him about my weight concerns and how it hurts to sit for long periods of time. He ordered full blood work, urine, and Heart thing (EEG or ECG whichever it is). Finished that an hour or so ago

Have you looked into an Amazon Canada "Prime" account. With the Prime account shipping on most items is free. Of course, there is an annual fee to be at the Prime account level but you would likely make that up in shipping costs very quickly if you do much online shopping at all.

[knitty kitty]

I'm sorry about the price.  I'm surprised you could not get the plain Thiamine Hydrochloride at a drugs store or a nutrition/sports health/health food store.  

I'm glad your doctor is doing more investigation.  

Keep us posted on the results!

[SargeMaximus]

1 hour ago, trents said:

Have you looked into an Amazon Canada "Prime" account. With the Prime account shipping on most items is free. Of course, there is an annual fee to be at the Prime account level but you would likely make that up in shipping costs very quickly if you do much online shopping at all.

I’m boycotting Amazon.

 

@knitty kitty Ok thanks

[trents]

2 hours ago, SargeMaximus said:

I’m boycotting Amazon.

What about Walmart?

[SargeMaximus]

13 minutes ago, trents said:

What about Walmart?

It’s $46 on Walmart.ca

[knitty kitty]

 

Thiamine Hydrochloride 

"Now Foods"  brand. 

100 mg tablets 100 tablets

$4.99 at Walmart and $9 at vitamart

https://www.vitamart.ca/now-b-1-100mg

 

Benfotiamine $19.99

https://www.vitamart.ca/new-roots-benfotiamine-active-vitamin-b1-150mg

 

I hope you can find Benfotiamine at a store near you.

 

[SargeMaximus]

2 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

 

Thiamine Hydrochloride 

"Now Foods"  brand. 

100 mg tablets 100 tablets

$4.99 at Walmart and $9 at vitamart

https://www.vitamart.ca/now-b-1-100mg

 

Benfotiamine $19.99

https://www.vitamart.ca/new-roots-benfotiamine-active-vitamin-b1-150mg

 

I hope you can find Benfotiamine at a store near you.

 

Ok I still can't reliably post on here using my iphone 8. I've tried 4 times to reply and each time it never showed up so fix that please. I'm now on my computer.

As for your new suggestions, I can't find them on walmart.ca. This is getting laughable.
Benfotiamine is $38 on Vitamart if you get 120 capsules so it's still about $40. I don't understand how you go from  $4.99 to $38! Can you please send a link to the $4.99 one!

Edit: Oh and what is the difference between the two? Do I need both? Thanks.
 

[knitty kitty]

@SargeMaximus, 

I'm sorry you're having problems with your phone.

On WalMart.ca do a search for NOW brand thiamine hydrochloride.

You can also do a search for benfotiamine.  

https://www.vitamart.ca/new-roots-benfotiamine-active-vitamin-b1-150mg

And...

https://www.vitamart.ca/now-b-1-100mg

 

[SargeMaximus]

3 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

@SargeMaximus, 

I'm sorry you're having problems with your phone.

On WalMart.ca do a search for NOW brand thiamine hydrochloride.

You can also do a search for benfotiamine.  

https://www.vitamart.ca/new-roots-benfotiamine-active-vitamin-b1-150mg

And...

https://www.vitamart.ca/now-b-1-100mg

 

This one? https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/Now-Foods-Vitamin-B-1-Thiamine-100-mg-100-Tablets-2-Pack/PRD4WOCNWIC4MC7

[knitty kitty]

Yes that one is great.  

I looked on the same site and found this one...

https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/Life-Extension-Mega-Benfotiamine-250-mg-120-Vegetarian-Capsules/PRD7A85TQTKJAN5